Re: [Ifeffit] about WebAoms

2019-11-20 Thread Ravel, Bruce
On 11/20/19 7:49 PM, Park Gyuchul wrote:
> I appreciate for your precious comments. Your suggestion makes my life 
> easier!  Is "distance" column is not required information in feff.inp 
> format? (please find the part of the feff file attached. This is what I 
> got from WebAtoms (typical cif file is used here).


Quoting from 
https://bruceravel.github.io/demeter/documents/Artemis/atoms/example.html#the-feff-input-file

"The atom list is printed in the format required by FEFF. The atom list 
has two comment columns. The indexed atomic symbol and radial distance 
are written by ATOMS for your use when reading feff.inp and are ignored 
by FEFF."


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  National Institute of Standards and Technology
  Synchrotron Science Group at NSLS-II
  Lead Beamline Scientist, 6BM (BMM)
  Building 743, Room 114
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  Homepage:http://bruceravel.github.io/home/
  Beamline:https://www.bnl.gov/ps/beamlines/beamline.php?r=6-BM
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  Demeter: http://bruceravel.github.io/demeter/

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Re: [Ifeffit] about WebAoms

2019-11-20 Thread Ravel, Bruce


Hi,

I am wondering whether you are thinking about your problem in the most 
straight-forward way.  Atoms is a tool to expand crystal data into a 
cluster.  From lammps, you already have a cluster, you just don't have 
your cluster expressed in a form that Feff knows how to read.

Unless I am significantly misunderstanding your question, I dont think 
Atoms is your best tool.  You just need to take some (or all) of the 
atoms from the output cluster from your MD simulation and wrap it up in 
the correct dressing for Feff.

Here is what I mean, explained for a much smaller problem (in terms of 
number of atoms):

https://speakerdeck.com/bruceravel/modeling-non-crystalline-samples?slide=11

Note what I say on the next page -- the absorber DOES NOT need to be at 
(0,0,0) and the absorber does not need to be the first item in the list.

You can just edit (or write a short script/program) your lammps output 
to cut out the atomic coordinates, assign unique potential indeces to 
all the atoms, and put the correct boilerplate at the top of the file. 
Voila!  You have a feff input file.

While it is true that you can, in principle, convert your lampps file to 
a CIF file, it just doesn't seem like a necessary or helpful step.  I'd 
really recommend taking the time to understand how to move the MD output 
into the proper form for feff input.

HTH,
B


On 11/19/19 9:27 PM, Park Gyuchul wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> I am trying to simulate the EXAFS spectrum of pure molybdenum through 
> FEFF9 software. I got the atomic configurations of molybdenum from 
> molecular dynamics simulations, and I'd like to import it into FEFF 9. 
> In order to do that, I converted lammps file into cif file, and I am 
> trying to convert cif file into feff.inp. I am using Webatoms to convert 
> cif file into feff.inp. The default value of cluster size and longest 
> path is 8 and 5, respectively (in angs). However, when I try to increase 
> the cluster size and the longest path to 10, it stops working, and I got 
> the internal error. I am working with 1024 atoms (8x8x8 cells, bcc 
> crystal structure). Are 1024 atoms too many to deal with in webatoms? or 
> is there other ways to convert cif file into feff.inp?
> I don't have any problems when I use the ideal cif file (not from 
> molecular dynamics simulations).
> 
> Sincerely,
> Gyuchul Park
> 
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  Bruce Ravel   bra...@bnl.gov

  National Institute of Standards and Technology
  Synchrotron Science Group at NSLS-II
  Lead Beamline Scientist, 6BM (BMM)
  Building 743, Room 114
  Upton NY, 11973

  Homepage:http://bruceravel.github.io/home/
  Beamline:https://www.bnl.gov/ps/beamlines/beamline.php?r=6-BM
  Software:https://github.com/bruceravel
  Demeter: http://bruceravel.github.io/demeter/

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Re: [Ifeffit] about WebAoms

2019-11-20 Thread Matt Newville
Hi Gyuchul,

By itself, webatoms can calculate a cluster of many thousands of atoms (it
is not necessarily fast, but a cluster size of 100 Ang should work and can
give a few 100,000 atoms).   Feff9, on the other hand, will have a
compiled-in maximum number of atoms in its cluster.  That number could
easily be as low as 400, and you would have to rebuild Feff to make it
larger.


On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 8:27 PM Park Gyuchul  wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I am trying to simulate the EXAFS spectrum of pure molybdenum through
> FEFF9 software. I got the atomic configurations of molybdenum from
> molecular dynamics simulations, and I'd like to import it into FEFF 9. In
> order to do that, I converted lammps file into cif file, and I am trying to
> convert cif file into feff.inp. I am using Webatoms to convert cif file
> into feff.inp. The default value of cluster size and longest path is 8 and
> 5, respectively (in angs). However, when I try to increase the cluster
> size and the longest path to 10, it stops working, and I got the internal
> error. I am working with 1024 atoms (8x8x8 cells, bcc crystal structure).
> Are 1024 atoms too many to deal with in webatoms? or is there other ways to
> convert cif file into feff.inp?
> I don't have any problems when I use the ideal cif file (not from
> molecular dynamics simulations).
>
> Sincerely,
> Gyuchul Park
>
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Re: [Ifeffit] webatoms for large cluster

2019-11-20 Thread Gentle, Cecilia M
Hi Gyuchul,

Have you tried using Stand Alone Atoms (it comes with the demeter package) 
instead of webatoms?  In my experience, stand alone atoms should not have a 
problem with 10 angstrom cluster. 

Hope this helps,
Cecilia

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Hi All,

I am trying to simulate the EXAFS spectrum of pure molybdenum through FEFF9 
software. I got the atomic configurations of molybdenum from molecular dynamics 
simulations, and I'd like to import it into FEFF 9. In order to do that, I 
converted lammps file into cif file, and I am trying to convert cif file into 
feff.inp. I am using Webatoms to convert cif file into feff.inp. The default 
value of cluster size and longest path is 8 and 5, respectively (in angs). 
However, when I try to increase the cluster size and the longest path to 10, it 
stops working, and I got the internal error. I am working with 1024 atoms 
(8x8x8 cells, bcc crystal structure). Are 1024 atoms too many to deal with in 
webatoms? or is there other ways to convert cif file into feff.inp?
I don't have any problems when I use the ideal cif file (not from molecular 
dynamics simulations).

Sincerely,
Gyuchul Park

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