Re: [Ifeffit] Differences between fluorescence and transmission of thesame sample

2010-05-05 Thread Bruce Ravel
On Wednesday 05 May 2010 02:25:45 pm Kang, Joo (JH) wrote:
> You have the edge step > 90,000 for fluorescence. You may want to check
> your data columns and see you have read in proper If/I0 (not ln If/I0 or
> something else).
> 

Use Control-b or Group -> "About current group" to check how the data
were imported.

B


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Re: [Ifeffit] Differences between fluorescence and transmission of thesame sample

2010-05-05 Thread Kang, Joo (JH)
Andrew,

You have the edge step > 90,000 for fluorescence. You may want to check
your data columns and see you have read in proper If/I0 (not ln If/I0 or
something else).

Regards,
Joo


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From: ifeffit-boun...@millenia.cars.aps.anl.gov
[mailto:ifeffit-boun...@millenia.cars.aps.anl.gov] On Behalf Of Andrew
Campos
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 11:24 AM
To: ifeffit@millenia.cars.aps.anl.gov
Subject: [Ifeffit] Differences between fluorescence and transmission of
thesame sample

Dr. Ravel,

Thanks so much for the link and the advice! I appreciate it greatly. I
will advise my lab mates as such and may have to only use the
fluorescence data if that is indeed the case.

I also included the file where the lower temperature is included and
you might come to the same conclusion. The samples that I ran were
pre-sieved, and the ones included in the .prj file aren't so that
should be pursued prior to running the experiment. If they crush the
particle and sieve the sample, I think that we can be more certain
that this is not the case. This was very helpful!

Andrew
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Re: [Ifeffit] Differences between fluorescence and transmission of thesame sample

2010-05-05 Thread Frenkel, Anatoly
What can be done in this case, is not to use either flourescence or 
transmission data, - because both are bad by the reasons Bruce explained - but 
use corrections, if you cannot change your experimental geometry (different 
concentration of the sample or different thickness or different reactor cell).
 
What we do in these cases, if we must keep original thick sample for 
fluorescence measurements, we make the same sample prepared for transmission on 
a tape or as a pellet, that gives proper thickness to be free of any leakage or 
thickness effects that reduce oscillation intensity or introduce noise due to 
poor statistics. Then we compare EXAFS oscillations plotted together for the 
two samples: one measured in fluorescence in the cell you want to use in your 
in situ experiment, and the other meausred in tranmission in ideal conditions.
The former will have reduced intensity. You can manually find scaling factor 
that is needed to match two intensities. Based on many early papers (e.g., Kim, 
Stern and Heald, Physical Review B, Thickness effect in EXAFS data or something 
like that), this scaling factor is approximately constant. Once you found it, 
then you can take all your in situ data in flourescence and later on, during 
data processing and analysis, correct all the EXAFS data by scaling them up 
with the same factor.
 
Don't change the sample geometry midway, and do not apply similar correction to 
recover XANES. Other strategies should be used for XANES corrections.
 
Anatoly
 



From: ifeffit-boun...@millenia.cars.aps.anl.gov on behalf of Andrew Campos
Sent: Wed 5/5/2010 11:24 AM
To: ifeffit@millenia.cars.aps.anl.gov
Subject: [Ifeffit] Differences between fluorescence and transmission of thesame 
sample



Dr. Ravel,

Thanks so much for the link and the advice! I appreciate it greatly. I
will advise my lab mates as such and may have to only use the
fluorescence data if that is indeed the case.

I also included the file where the lower temperature is included and
you might come to the same conclusion. The samples that I ran were
pre-sieved, and the ones included in the .prj file aren't so that
should be pursued prior to running the experiment. If they crush the
particle and sieve the sample, I think that we can be more certain
that this is not the case. This was very helpful!

Andrew


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