[fsug-tvm] Re: : Ubuntu plans to replace X-server with Wayland server

[Visakh]

Hi,
  Agreed that Canonical is a little bit aggressive on this. But
Desktop Linux can definitely use some modernization. It is starting to
remind me of Win XP and Win 7.

Regards,
Gokul Das

On Nov 6, 2:18 pm, JeevZ  wrote:
> There are other Distros like Mandriva or Fedora. Why would any  one
> stick with Ubuntu??
> if its point  of user simplicity, I think mandriva is 10 times better
> than ubuntu.
>
> On 11/6/10, Visakh  wrote:
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> >  Here is a much better description:
> >http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/ubuntu_embraces_unity_and...
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[fsug-tvm] Another Attack to Free Software

[Ranjith S]

http://www.mathrubhumi.com/online/malayalam/news/story/604099/2010-11-06/kerala

Kerala News - ബില്ലിങ് കമ്പ്യൂട്ടര്‍വത്കരണം: സ്വതന്ത്ര സോഫ്റ്റ്‌വെയറിനെതിരെ
കെ.എസ്.ഇ.ബി എന്‍ജിനിയര്‍ സംഘടന - India, World News - Mathrubhumi Newspaper
Edition

Mathrubhumi,Malayalam Newspaper Edition Online,Kerala News - ബില്ലിങ്
കമ്പ്യൂട്ടര്‍വത്കരണം: സ്വതന്ത്ര സോഫ്റ്റ്‌വെയറിനെതിരെ കെ.എസ്.ഇ.ബി
എന്‍ജിനിയര്‍ സംഘടന - India, World News

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Re: [fsug-tvm] : Ubuntu plans to replace X-server with Wayland server

[JeevZ]

There are other Distros like Mandriva or Fedora. Why would any  one
stick with Ubuntu??
if its point  of user simplicity, I think mandriva is 10 times better
than ubuntu.

On 11/6/10, Visakh  wrote:
>  Here is a much better description:
> http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/ubuntu_embraces_unity_and_wayland_or_gnu_linux_exciting_again
>
> Regards,
> Gokul Das
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[fsug-tvm] : Ubuntu plans to replace X-server with Wayland server

[Visakh]

 Here is a much better description:
http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/ubuntu_embraces_unity_and_wayland_or_gnu_linux_exciting_again

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[fsug-tvm]: Ubuntu plans to replace X-server with Wayland server

[Visakh]

Hi,
  I am shamelessly cross-posting this news from Slashdot :
  
http://linux.slashdot.org/story/10/11/05/137212/Ubuntu-Dumps-X-For-Unity-On-Wayland
  http://www.cio.com.au/article/367050/ubuntu_risky_leap_unity_wayland/

  I am posting it here because this announcement from Shuttleworth is
already attracting a lot of criticism and debate. The CIO article
itself seems to be heavily biased against it -with a lot of inaccurate
info. On the technical side, X-server has been the backbone of Unix/
Linux graphical interface since mid-80s. Several attempts to supplant
it has simply failed. Now Canonical seems to be trying that again- the
difference being that Ubuntu is kind of a king maker now. With their
large customer base, they may be able to decide GNU/Linux's future
themselves. This is despite the big resistance they always face when
trying something new.

  There are some good examples from the past. First was the
introduction of pulse-audio (the system was very unstable at the time
and caused a huge ruckus). Another was the renovation of the
notification system (which everyone hated at the time, but eventually
found itself reimplemented in Gnome). Now they are planning to
sideline Gnome-shell for unity interface and now replacement of X
server with Wayland. Canonical is always blamed of introducing half-
baked features into ubuntu. But as I see it, Canonical forces everyone
to adopt new features and eventually improve it, rather than waiting
for a new feature that never matures on its own.

  So, how does Wayland migration look as of now?:

Pros:
  1. Wayland is very much less bloated compared to X-server. Any
software 2 decades old is bound to be bloated
  2. Wayland takes advantage of latest GPU and kernel features - like
DRM directrendering
  3. Compared to X-server, fewer time consuming 'context switching' is
required. Here is it in more detail: 
http://wayland.freedesktop.org/architecture.html
  4. Wayland can be much more responsive
  5. Wayland doesnt make as much mistake as X-server when doing 3D and
desktop effects (ie, compositing). Here, the server itself will be the
compositor.

Cons:
  1. The biggest point of contention is that 'ssh -X' (Xserver ssh
tunneling) wont be possible anymore. Wayland and its client (ie, your
application) communicates through shared memory buffers in the GPU.
This is unlike Xserver-client communication which can be routed
through network. The first casualty that I see is the 'Linux Terminal
Server Project' which some of our group members use with relation to
Edubuntu. Frankly, I dont want to miss that feature - RDP and VNC
doesnt even come close to X tunneling. This has already become the
subject of the biggest debate.
  2. Every X-based application will have to be rewritten or run in
compatibility mode. In compatibility, the X-server will itself run as
a client on top of Wayland. In case of GTK/Gnome and Qt/KDE apps, they
will be fine as long as the toolkits (QT and GTK+) can be ported for
Wayland
  3. Getting hardware vendors to supply Wayland drivers instead of X-
drivers will be hard (I am unsure of this part). Nvidia users (like
yours truly) are the ones the most worried (Dont ask me why!).

  Some of you may have played around with X-server. What do you think
of this move?

Regards,
Gokul Das

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