[Ilugc] Re: ilugc Digest, Vol 51, Issue 16

2008-08-06 Thread benedict nicholas
Dear Friends,
 
This is in reply to the below contents-
 
we want to re-orient the syllabus - that is the goal of NRC-FOSS, and the
> big stumbling block are the lecturers. Management want it, students want it,
> but lecturers are blocking it. So we are trying to get a few lecturers
> excited about foss - and very very few of these ever write code.


 
In my college, its the reverse, the faculty is highly qualified to take up FOSS 
related subjects and management is also interested but it is the students who 
is not selecting the elective paper(democracy followed in choosing elective). I 
tried last year to take this elective paper but the student community prefer 
data mining & datawarehouse. Reason not because of interest but because 1) Easy 
to clear  2) Local author books aka guide books available 3) Notion that 
anything related to Linux is difficult.
 
In fact I corrected anna university FOSS elective paper. I found the syllabi 
good and the recommended textbook is also of good quality.
 
Need of the hour is not only awareness among faculties but with students also.
 
bye,
Benedict J.N.
Lecturer



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   3. Re: [JOBS] R&H India - Freshers with Linux exposure
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   4. Re: 2 day FOSS workshop for faculty in the Kongu region
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   5. RE: One Day One GNU/Linux Command (WHEREIS) (Sivakumar Gopalan)
   6. RE: Booting from USB external HHD (indianathan n)


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On 07-Aug-08, at 9:46 AM, Bharathi Subramanian wrote:

> R&H is an entirely Linux oriented facility. We use Linux across the
> entire facility, both on the server side as well as on the desktop

coolness - could you tell us what software you use for your various  
operations?

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On Thu, 7 Aug 2008, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:

> > R&H is an entirely Linux oriented facility. We use Linux across
the
> > entire facility, both on the server side as well as on the desktop
> 
> coolness - could you tell us what software you use for your various  
> operations?

This is an forwarded mail from ILUG-Goa, Plz mail to OP: Aditya
Wasudeo  for more info.

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On 07-Aug-08, at 10:16 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:

> On 07-Aug-08, at 9:46 AM, Bharathi Subramanian wrote:
>
>> R&H is an entirely Linux oriented facility. We use Linux across
the
>> entire facility, both on the server side as well as on the desktop
>
> coolness - could you tell us what software you use for your various  
> operations?

oops - this was a forwarded message. Bharathi can you get a reply  
from him on this?

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Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 00:59:32 -0400
From: "Prakash Srinivasan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Ilugc] 2 day FOSS workshop for faculty in the Kongu
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On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 12:40 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:


> we want to re-orient the syllabus - that is the goal of NRC-FOSS, and the
> big stumbling block are the lecturers

[Ilugc] RE: Booting from USB external HHD

2008-08-06 Thread indianathan n
Sir,
 Old mother board BIOS will not support USB booting. In this case, one
alternate way is using booting floppy. First boot machine through booting
floppy then start the OS avail;able in external drive.

One more thing in external HHD is booting configuration compiled with
syslinux. When making USB boot drive syslinux makes an HHD number blongs to
HHDs and CD Drives available in PC. If you try to boot other type of
machines it may fail. for example, Your machine has PATA HHDs, then your
pendrive device in the machine is 'sda' but in SATA HHD used PC it may vary.

 Puppy Linux have an universal installor, makes USB as super boot disk.
which is format your usb disk/drive as endless file format.MBR will not
depend device number. Ubuntu will not accept this format.

Padhu,
Ooty.

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RE: [Ilugc] One Day One GNU/Linux Command (WHEREIS)

2008-08-06 Thread Sivakumar Gopalan
Just a thought. Here is the difference between whereis, locate and which

whereis - can find any file, but looks only in standard locations.

locate - can find any file from any location, however there should be a
locatedb update run frequently to have accurate results.

which - can find executables which are in the path variable.

Rgds,
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Re: [Ilugc] 2 day FOSS workshop for faculty in the Kongu region

2008-08-06 Thread Prakash Srinivasan
On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 12:40 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:


> we want to re-orient the syllabus - that is the goal of NRC-FOSS, and the
> big stumbling block are the lecturers. Management want it, students want it,
> but lecturers are blocking it. So we are trying to get a few lecturers
> excited about foss - and very very few of these ever write code.


Recently [last week] we conducted a TTP in Anna University, Trichy. The same
thing happened here also. Very few only came out of all trichy surrounding
areas. In other words, I can say, the no of speakers were more compare with
participants.

I would like to share an participant's feedback with all of you. "In our
college we have an allowance scheme like if I will participate this type of
workshop, then our college will give 500/- for me. I came just for getting
my allowance".
How is it. But at the same time some others were really interested in FOSS
and Linux.

Its happening in all the TTP. The staff's only argument is, "why we want to
learn a topic from out of syllabus". Still FOSS is an elective paper. They
will not take it as seriously until it will be one of the main subject in
their curriculum. Otherwise FOSS will be just optional. So try  to make it
as a compulsory paper to the final year students.


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Re: [Ilugc] [JOBS] R&H India - Freshers with Linux exposure

2008-08-06 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves


On 07-Aug-08, at 10:16 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:


On 07-Aug-08, at 9:46 AM, Bharathi Subramanian wrote:


R&H is an entirely Linux oriented facility. We use Linux across the
entire facility, both on the server side as well as on the desktop


coolness - could you tell us what software you use for your various  
operations?


oops - this was a forwarded message. Bharathi can you get a reply  
from him on this?


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Re: [Ilugc] [JOBS] R&H India - Freshers with Linux exposure

2008-08-06 Thread Bharathi Subramanian
On Thu, 7 Aug 2008, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:

> > R&H is an entirely Linux oriented facility. We use Linux across the
> > entire facility, both on the server side as well as on the desktop
> 
> coolness - could you tell us what software you use for your various  
> operations?

This is an forwarded mail from ILUG-Goa, Plz mail to OP: Aditya
Wasudeo  for more info.

Bye :)
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Re: [Ilugc] [JOBS] R&H India - Freshers with Linux exposure

2008-08-06 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves


On 07-Aug-08, at 9:46 AM, Bharathi Subramanian wrote:


R&H is an entirely Linux oriented facility. We use Linux across the
entire facility, both on the server side as well as on the desktop


coolness - could you tell us what software you use for your various  
operations?


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Re: [Ilugc] 2 day FOSS workshop for faculty in the Kongu region

2008-08-06 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves


On 06-Aug-08, at 10:28 PM, sivaji j.g wrote:


I would like to give a talk on Drupal - Content Management system (on
6th September only). I ve added the topic to the wiki here -
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/code/wiki/KonguFossWorkshop


I think its better to give a lecture on how to compile c/c++ and java
program in Linux, How to use software design tools like umbrello, how
to use software development tools like kdevelop, quanta plus,
bluefish, etc. Your talk may attract them if its more syllabus
oriented.


we want to re-orient the syllabus - that is the goal of NRC-FOSS, and  
the big stumbling block are the lecturers. Management want it,  
students want it, but lecturers are blocking it. So we are trying to  
get a few lecturers excited about foss - and very very few of these  
ever write code.


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[Ilugc] One Day One GNU/Linux Command (WHEREIS)

2008-08-06 Thread Bharathi Subramanian
MayaVi - A Free, Cross Platform, Easy to use GUI based scientific data
visualizer, written in Python VTK, developed by Dr Prabhu Ramachandran
(Ex Co-Ordinator - ILUGC). Links: http://mayavi.sourceforge.net/

One Day One GNU/Linux Command
=

whereis -- Locate the bin, src & man page for a file.

Summary :

'whereis' locates source/binary and manuals sections for specified
files. whereis will attempts to locate the desired program in a list
of standard Linux places, which is hard-coded in it.

Example:

$ whereis ls -- Display the bin, src(if avail) and man page locations.

$ whereis -b ls -- Show only bin file location.

$ whereis -m ls -- Show only man page location.

$ whereis -s ls -- Show only source file location.

$ whereis -u -M /usr/share/man/man1 -f route -- Find the bin file 
location and search for man page in only man1 dir.

$ whereis -u -M /usr/man/man1 -S /usr/src -f * -- Find all files in
  /usr/bin which are not documented in /usr/man/man1 with source 
  in /usr/src.

Read: man whereis

HTH :)
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Re: [Ilugc] 2 day FOSS workshop for faculty in the Kongu region

2008-08-06 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves


On 06-Aug-08, at 8:49 PM, senthilraja P wrote:


I second ramdas..  Its too much information in two days..

Any way..  this is a best initiative in terms of FOSS, and i  
understand that
its a introduction seminar that would drive interests to the  
faculty for

further practical workshops..

However, what i feel was that, we need to change the methodology and
approach in delivering foss..  We can explain different scenarios,  
and then

explain how we can use FOSS technologies there..


different people are interested in different things - this is just to  
show the wide range of things available. We did the same thing for  
Shivaji university in Kolhapur - and it worked well, after that many  
people have approached for in-depth workshops for particular  
subjects. We have already conducted a 6 day workshop on LAMP. Anyway  
you will be there, so we can see how it goes. It is also necessary to  
be flexible - once or twice we have changed the schedule when we saw  
the feedback from the audience.


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[Ilugc] [JOBS] R&H India - Freshers with Linux exposure

2008-08-06 Thread Bharathi Subramanian
-- Forwarded message --
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 04:53:26 -
From: adityawasudeo 

Hello Everyone,

Rhythm & Hues is an Academy Award® winning film production studio
specializing in visual effects and computer animation. Founded in
1987, the company is headquartered in Los Angeles, California.

Rhythm and Hues India Ltd, the Indian subsidiary of the company was
founded in 2001 and has offices in Mumbai and Hyderabad. Some of the
recent projects that we have worked on include:

The Golden Compass
Alvin and the Chipmunks
The Incredible Hulk
Mummy 3

R&H is an entirely Linux oriented facility. We use Linux across the
entire facility, both on the server side as well as on the desktop. We
focus on servicing all our technology needs in-house and invest a lot
of time in Linux systems and software development. We have also
contributed to open source projects in the past. We leverage FOSS
technologies extensively across our production process and pride
ourselves in coming up with unique solutions to overcome some of our
toughest production challenges.

The company currently has openings for the role of Operations Support
personnel. This position is ideal for freshers with Linux exposure who
are looking to work in a challenging, high-end Linux-only environment.

For more information on the company, check out
www.rhythm.in

For more information on this position, you can visit:
http://www.rhythm.com/india/ca_opsSup.html

If you need additional information, drop a mail to:
techjobs-ind [AT] rhythm [DOT] com

Alternatively, feel free to contact me directly. I'd be happy to
answer any questions.

Thank You
Aditya Wasudeo

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Re: [Ilugc] [Photos] mukt.in, August 1-3, 2008, Hyderabad

2008-08-06 Thread Aanjhan R
On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 12:19 AM, Shakthi Kannan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> mukt.in was organized in CSE department, Osmania University,
> Hyderabad, between August 1-3, 2008. Thanks to all the volunteers,
> speakers, organizers, and sponsors for their support and contribution.

My report is available here:

http://www.tuxmaniac.com/blog/2008/08/05/muktin-a-report/

Have Fun!
Aanjhan
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[Ilugc] [Photos] mukt.in, August 1-3, 2008, Hyderabad

2008-08-06 Thread Shakthi Kannan
Hi,

mukt.in was organized in CSE department, Osmania University,
Hyderabad, between August 1-3, 2008. Thanks to all the volunteers,
speakers, organizers, and sponsors for their support and contribution.

Some pictures are available here:

* http://picasaweb.google.com/jigish.gohil/MuktIn
* http://www.shakthimaan.com/Mambo/gallery/album49

Couple of my presentations are available at:

Inky Pinky Poky:
http://free-opensource.qvantel.net/mediawiki/upload/ln2440sbc-lp35/inky-pinky-poky-1.0.pdf

Openmoko - Free Your Phone:
http://free-opensource.qvantel.net/mediawiki/upload/openmoko/openmoko-free-your-phone.pdf

Regards,

SK

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Re: [Ilugc] 2 day FOSS workshop for faculty in the Kongu region

2008-08-06 Thread தியாகராஜன்
Hi,
>>I think its better to give a lecture on how to compile c/c++ and java
program in Linux, How to use software design tools like umbrello, how
to use software development tools like kdevelop, quanta plus,
bluefish, etc. Your talk may attract them if its more syllabus
oriented.


IMO,
Good idea indeed,Will it not be still good where  we teach open source
as open source which has no boundaries,fixing the lecturers to the
curriculum oriented syllabus where each lecturer may feel like landing
in a typical computer training center. I am not in offence with the
training industry here.

As a lecturer , one needs  to be well informed and par excel by
knowing the market trends than his/her student.Event like these help
the college people to interact with the  domain experts who address
the attendees, I feel these kind of interaction  will give fantastic
understanding about the subject for the lecturing world.
instead of fixing to college syllabus, if we have  open source
software lectures in the ilugc pattern sessions, it will have good
impact. I too agree that if we can give lecturers with advanced
concepts which may be related with their evolving syllabus will be
useful to them.

Thanks and regards

Thyagarajan Shanmugham
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Re: [Ilugc] 2 day FOSS workshop for faculty in the Kongu region

2008-08-06 Thread sivaji j.g
> I would like to give a talk on Drupal - Content Management system (on
> 6th September only). I ve added the topic to the wiki here -
> http://nrcfosshelpline.in/code/wiki/KonguFossWorkshop

I think its better to give a lecture on how to compile c/c++ and java
program in Linux, How to use software design tools like umbrello, how
to use software development tools like kdevelop, quanta plus,
bluefish, etc. Your talk may attract them if its more syllabus
oriented.



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[Ilugc] [OT] Power over Ethernet (PoE) adapters - product suggestion

2008-08-06 Thread Arun Khan
For power, my network device is PoE capable and also has a 12V/1A DC in.  
There are no power outlets near the device.  Also, the ethernet switch 
does not have any PoE ports.

I am looking for an adapter, that sits in the wiring closet alongside 
the Ethernet switch, with input a) Jack for DC12V/1A in, b) RJ45 LAN in 
(from switch), and output A) RJ45 LAN out (ethernet+dc power).

If you have used or know of such a beast please share make/model.

TIA,
-- 
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Re: [Ilugc] 2 day FOSS workshop for faculty in the Kongu region

2008-08-06 Thread senthilraja P
>> too many item for two days, i feel.

>>not necessarily will all items be covered. depends on the speakers. if
there are more items we can divide into two tracks. the idea is to >>give
them a taste of a wide range of foss goodies so that they will be eager for
more in-depth workshops in the future.

I second ramdas..  Its too much information in two days..

Any way..  this is a best initiative in terms of FOSS, and i understand that
its a introduction seminar that would drive interests to the faculty for
further practical workshops..

However, what i feel was that, we need to change the methodology and
approach in delivering foss..  We can explain different scenarios, and then
explain how we can use FOSS technologies there..

Just my few cents...
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Re: [Ilugc] Clarification - PPPOE and OS - Connecting to Internet

2008-08-06 Thread Girish Venkatachalam
On 17:10:59 Aug 06, Dhana sekar wrote:
> Whether PPPOE Daemon in linux or pppoe connection ?
> 
> If pppoe connection, then whether it is not recommended to use PPPOE.
> Shall we blame the Service Provider ?

For ADSL either you have to use PPPoE or PPPoA. There is no other choice.
Usually the ISP's RAS equipment may goof up leading to this.

And how often PPPoE goes up and down depends on the ISP.

When I used to live in Mambalam it used to be really really rare but now
in Tambaram I see it more often.

But this is not something that you can control from your end.

Hope I have put things in proper perspective.

Your phone line could be made noise free. Other than that this problem
has nothing to do with software on your end. Usually that is.

-Girish
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Re: [Ilugc] Clarification - PPPOE and OS - Connecting to Internet

2008-08-06 Thread Arun Khan
On Wednesday 06 Aug 2008, Girish Venkatachalam wrote:
> On 17:03:08 Aug 05, Dhana sekar wrote:
> > Hi,
> >   I want one clarification w.r.t PPPOE on connecting to the
> > internet.  Quiet often I am unable to use the internet.  When I
> > gone through the logs, I found that the modem got disconnected and
> > get connected after some time.   I informed them that there was the
> > problem in the Service Provider side ( as from the log report ).  
> > But they are telling that the line is proper.  Is there any way to
> > prove them that there is a problem in their side only, or its the
> > problem with the ppd/OS.   Please help me out.
> >
> >   System runs on Ubuntu  and firefox 3 Beta.
>
> It is normal for PPPoE to get disconnected and reconnected.

Most devices (like the DLink 502T) also have an "always connected" 
option, from it's end it does not disconnect.  Of course, it has no 
control if the service provider drops the connection.

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Re: [Ilugc] Clarification - PPPOE and OS - Connecting to Internet

2008-08-06 Thread Dhana sekar
On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 5:06 PM, Girish Venkatachalam <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> It is normal for PPPoE to get disconnected and reconnected.
>
> -Girish
>

Whether PPPOE Daemon in linux or pppoe connection ?

If pppoe connection, then whether it is not recommended to use PPPOE.
Shall we blame the Service Provider ?



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Re: [Ilugc] Clarification - PPPOE and OS - Connecting to Internet

2008-08-06 Thread Girish Venkatachalam
On 17:03:08 Aug 05, Dhana sekar wrote:
> Hi,
>   I want one clarification w.r.t PPPOE on connecting to the internet.  Quiet
> often I am unable to use the internet.  When I gone through the logs, I
> found that the modem got disconnected and get connected after some time.   I
> informed them that there was the problem in the Service Provider side ( as
> from the log report ).   But they are telling that the line is proper.  Is
> there any way to prove them that there is a problem in their side only, or
> its the problem with the ppd/OS.   Please help me out.
> 
>   System runs on Ubuntu  and firefox 3 Beta.
> 

It is normal for PPPoE to get disconnected and reconnected.

-Girish
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Re: [Ilugc] 2 day FOSS workshop for faculty in the Kongu region

2008-08-06 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves


On 06-Aug-08, at 4:52 PM, Sri Ramadoss M wrote:

We would like to touch on things like python, ruby, php, mysql,  
postgresql
and some frameworks like symfony, django, ROR. Also some embedded  
stuff.




too many item for two days, i feel.

We need to assume the most common scenario (say, the C/ C++ Lab  
that already

exist will run on GNU/ Linux) that can be implemented and passed on to
students, as soon as they return back to their respective colleges.


not necessarily will all items be covered. depends on the speakers.  
if there are more items we can divide into two tracks. the idea is to  
give them a taste of a wide range of foss goodies so that they will  
be eager for more in-depth workshops in the future.


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Re: [Ilugc] 2 day FOSS workshop for faculty in the Kongu region

2008-08-06 Thread Sri Ramadoss M
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> We would like to touch on things like python, ruby, php, mysql, postgresql
> and some frameworks like symfony, django, ROR. Also some embedded stuff.
>

too many item for two days, i feel.

We need to assume the most common scenario (say, the C/ C++ Lab that already
exist will run on GNU/ Linux) that can be implemented and passed on to
students, as soon as they return back to their respective colleges.

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Re: [Ilugc] 2 day FOSS workshop for faculty in the Kongu region

2008-08-06 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves


On 06-Aug-08, at 2:04 PM, rajasekhar kuppa wrote:

 you are most welcome to put up a talk on this - please add the  
info to the

wiki

I did  .


What about the material??  Do you have any predetermined format in  
mind?
Presentation in slides? PDF? Also is there any location where we  
need to

upload the material??


up to you. I do not use slides, but present live - and examples  
created are put on the wiki in real time. You may put any material  
you have on the wiki.


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Re: [Ilugc] 2 day FOSS workshop for faculty in the Kongu region

2008-08-06 Thread rajasekhar kuppa
>  you are most welcome to put up a talk on this - please add the info to the
> wiki
>
> I did  .

What about the material??  Do you have any predetermined format in mind?
Presentation in slides? PDF? Also is there any location where we need to
upload the material??

Raj
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A bus station is where a bus stops.

A train station is where a train stops.

On my desk, I have a work station
what more can I say
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