Re: [Ilugc] Linux Desktop automation tools

[Nagappan A]

Hello Narendra

On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 8:10 PM, narendra babu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Hi !
>
> I am testing some GNOME desktop applications in Linux like
> thunderbird,cheese, pidgin  etc .
>
> I need some automation tool which can record and play or automate my
> testcases easily .
>
> do anybody worked on Desktop applications testing .
>
> Some tools i found were ldtp , dogtail .


 Nice

>
>
> But not much of results .
>
> Or anybody has worked in ldtp or dogatil please let me know the userguide
> and help related to the same .


Yes I'm the maintainer of LDTP, what issue you have ?

Thanks
Nagappan

>
>
>
> please let me know tools which can be used for testing linux desktop
> applications
>
> many Thanks for your time
>
>
> Thanks
> narendra
>

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Re: [Ilugc][OT] Employee Agreement of a FOSS company

[Parthan SR]

Vamsee Kanakala wrote:

Dhakshina Moorthy K.M. wrote:
4. Emp - Emp relations, is like a Man seeking a woman to produce 
babies. What the Man does with the babies is upto him. Whether he 
puts him in the Army - open source ,(or) put him in the family 
business - closed source  (or) put him in the top 10 mnc and make 
money( part open source) is upto the Employer-company. Business 
models need not come in the picture of NDA.
  


The analogy is kinda ridiculous
+1. So you mean to say the Father (or Man, however you keep) can do 
whatever he wants with the baby (or the child, as it grows) and the 
Mother has no say in it. In this case, it obviously restricts the 
freedom of both Mother (as she has more things to do with getting the 
child out alive and living) as well as the Baby itself (yes, every born 
human on earth has some fundamental freedom and rights). Keeping in 
terms of your analogy, we shouldn't mind if someone takes their baby and 
crushes is putting under a lorry, and not oppose it because it's his 
baby. (Whoa, long live your humanity).


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[Ilugc] One Day One GNU/Linux Command (INSTALL)

[Bharathi Subramanian]

One Day One GNU/Linux Command 
=

install -- Copy files and set attributes.

Summary:

'install' will copy single/multiple source(s) to destination, sets
permission modes & owner/group and take backup of existing files. It
is very useful for writing the install scripts.

Examples:

$ install myfile Dir1 -- Copy myfile to Dir1 with same name.

$ install myfile test -- Copy myfile to test.

$ install -b myfile test -- Copy myfile to test. If test is already 
exists, then take a backup (test~).

$ install -b -S.bak myfile test -- Same as above. But backup file will 
  created with .bak suffix (test.bak).

$ install --backup=t myfile test -- Take numbered backups (test.~1~).

$ install -p myfile test -- Preserve the access and modification time, 
while copying the file.

$ install -m 444 myfile test -- Copy myfile with specified permission 
mode. Default is 755.

$ install -g newgrp myfile test -- Copy myfile and set GID is newgrp.

$ install -s mybin test.bin -- Strip the symbol tables from installed 
   binary executables.

Read: man install

HTH :)
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Re: [Ilugc][OT] Employee Agreement of a FOSS company

[Vamsee Kanakala]

Dhakshina Moorthy K.M. wrote:

4. Emp - Emp relations, is like a Man seeking a woman to produce babies. What 
the Man does with the babies is upto him. Whether he puts him in the Army - 
open source ,(or) put him in the family business - closed source  (or) put him 
in the top 10 mnc and make money( part open source) is upto the 
Employer-company. Business models need not come in the picture of NDA.
  


The analogy is kinda ridiculous - open-source/army? How does that work? 
I would think most open source people have trouble with authority - any 
kind ;).



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Re: [Ilugc] Employee Agreement of a FOSS company

[ம. ஸ்ரீ ராமதாஸ்|Sri Ramadoss M]

On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 5:09 PM, Arun Venkataswamy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 12:24 PM, ம. ஸ்ரீ ராமதாஸ்|Sri Ramadoss M <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> While the sum of money is accumulated with the investor, the sum of
>> knowledge in the form individuals is extremely difficult to unite for
>> wide range of reasons, which the investors exploit (for individuals
>> involved seldom come together against investors' exploitation).
>>
>>
>
> I am sorry I can't understand the context of the term 'exploitation'. Do you
> mean to say that that in prop software companies - (a) In monitory terms,
> the investor makes way too much money and parts with very small amount to
> the employees and you belive this is wrong like a union? or (b) In
> knowledge/philosophy terms that the knowledge gained or IP generated in a
> project is 'owned' by the investor but not the employee? And the employee
> cannot use it for his or her own benifit?
>

my statement obviously is inclined towards (b) and on (a) at times
these days I feel Why not sixth pay commission's recommendation be
implemented even to the private sectors & a maximum wages act be
enacted :-)

நிற்க.

Sirs,

We are in an era where, companies themselves are traded.

See what happened in recent Spectrum allocation. A nothing was given
everything and all that is happening we all know.. Err.. OT

The employees are not at all aware of what management does.. whether
it is trading the product developed or the company itself..

Let us take the example of SUSE. Not many of us would have opposed it
when it existed as SUSE. But Novell took over it. Makes an agreement
with M$ We find our own people boycotting it.

Time and again concerns are raised about KDE over QT, Trolltech's
acquisition by Nokia etc., How it will be in future etc.,

What happens, all those who would have contributed to a Free Software
project as employees/ contributors are destined to accept the
decisions of new management that takes over, which never ever put
efforts other than the money?

Sure, Employees with get Salary even from the new management but won't
FOSS be at stake.

There are other sides of  coin too. Sun which was another M$ by itself
realized advantages in being open and we all Welcome it now.

I have read GNU projects too asking the contributor to give the
copyright to GNU itself.

But we are sure from the recent statements of RMS at fsf-friends
mailing list that it is not going to be democratic in the sense that
it is not going to excise power. He is a Western Rishi himself :-)

Also it cannot be taken over as FOSS companies might be taken over by
other. What is the guarantee that a FOSS company has for its survival
that it won't be taken over by some one who might not FOSSY as its
predecessors were.

We do not have a common association that protects the interests FOSS
based companies to protect their common interests and thereby FOSS
itself.

We have this NASSCOM which says,

//Nasscom is the premier organisation that represents and sets the
tone for public policy for the Indian software industry.//

And it should not be allowed to set the tone and those in FOSS
business should set the tone, I wish.

It took a decision in favour of OOXML are reasons etc.,

More to ponder. I stop here for the moment.

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[Ilugc] Linux Desktop automation tools

[narendra babu]

Hi !

I am testing some GNOME desktop applications in Linux like thunderbird,cheese, 
pidgin  etc .

I need some automation tool which can record and play or automate my testcases 
easily .

do anybody worked on Desktop applications testing .

Some tools i found were ldtp , dogtail .

But not much of results .

Or anybody has worked in ldtp or dogatil please let me know the userguide and 
help related to the same .


please let me know tools which can be used for testing linux desktop 
applications 

many Thanks for your time 


Thanks
narendra


  
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[Ilugc] Re: Nokia E71 gps software

[Kenneth Gonsalves]

On Friday 05 Dec 2008 2:17:20 am you wrote:
> I just got a nokia E71 and want to create gps tracks. I know you've
> been into this thing for a while and need some guidance.
>
> Do you have any advice on software for the nokia I can use to make gpx
> tracks, upload to google etc? I don't need route planning, navigation,
> etc and just tracks and landmarks will do fine.

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/WhereAmI

all help is available on the wiki on the way to upload tracks and make 
features. Chennai is currently the best mapped city in India - mainly due to 
one guy. If you are planning to do mapping it would be a good idea to join 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] I am cc-ing the LUG list on this as I want to 
spread awareness there.

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Re: [Ilugc] Employee Agreement of a FOSS company

[Dhakshina Moorthy K.M.]

1. Ramadass is pointing to a company built on FOSS foundation with a business / 
business model(s) on top of it. 

2. NDAs and other agreements are the details of roles and responsiblites to be 
played by employer & employee. Unless this is clear - issues on code ownership, 
contribution, motivation and committment will be vague, may lead to disputes 
later.

3. K C Ramakrishna and KG Sir are working with their own models. Having or not 
having an NDA is upto the employer.

4. Emp - Emp relations, is like a Man seeking a woman to produce babies. What 
the Man does with the babies is upto him. Whether he puts him in the Army - 
open source ,(or) put him in the family business - closed source  (or) put him 
in the top 10 mnc and make money( part open source) is upto the 
Employer-company. Business models need not come in the picture of NDA.

Dhakshina Moorthy, K M



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Re: [Ilugc] VPN client for ubuntu intrepid

[Kapil Hari Paranjape]

Hello,

On Thu, 04 Dec 2008, Theyagarajan S wrote:
> can anyone point me to an easy to install vpn client for ubuntu intrepid ?
> i installed the network-manager-vpnc but i cant see a cert based
> authentication .
> i do have the openssl package ,is there anything else i need to do ?

If you are setting up only the client you need to know what the
server is using. The client you have installed is for Cisco's EasyVPN
server.  There is another client network-manager-pptp for MicroSoft's
VPN and yet another for OpenVPN.

Authentication for any of these can be based on password or
shared key or private/public key with ssl certificate.

To use an ssl certificate you need to
 - create your own ssl private key preferably encrypted with a
 password.
 - create a certificate signing request.
 - send the certificate signing request to a CA whose authority is
 accepted by the VPN server.
 - install the signed certificate sent to you by the CA in a place
 with can be accessed by the network manager.

I have not used network-manager for this but I am told that it can
make the above steps easy.

Regards,

Kapil.
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Re: [Ilugc] VPN client for ubuntu intrepid

[varadarajan narayanan]

> can anyone point me to an easy to install vpn client for ubuntu intrepid ?
> i installed the network-manager-vpnc but i cant see a cert based
> authentication .
> i do have the openssl package ,is there anything else i need to do ?


Hi !

Are you interested in simple windows PPTP VPN client ? Then it is very
straightforward in Ubuntu.
Something like Cisco etc may be more involved.

Cheers

varadarajan
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[Ilugc] VPN client for ubuntu intrepid

[Theyagarajan S]

can anyone point me to an easy to install vpn client for ubuntu intrepid ?
i installed the network-manager-vpnc but i cant see a cert based
authentication .
i do have the openssl package ,is there anything else i need to do ?

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RE: [Ilugc] Fwd: How to become a Hacker in "Three Days" - HackSprintsat Hackerdom ' 09

[Sivakumar Gopalan]

> 
> This is Great news.Do we have a mailing list for the same 
> ?Where will I get more info on this?Many thanks.
> 
http://hackerdom.in/node/3
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Re: [Ilugc] FossConf 09 - Plan?

[ம. ஸ்ரீ ராமதாஸ்|Sri Ramadoss M]

On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 6:46 PM, Shrinivasan T <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Friends.
>
> I think this is the right time to plan for FossConf 09.
>
> Please share your thoughts and plans for it.
>

I was sharing with one of my friends last week, that a conference need
to be Organised at State level focussing on ways & means to take FOSS
across TamilNadu.

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Re: [Ilugc] Ubuntu 8.10

[Atanu Datta]

On Thursday 04 December 2008 13:19:33 Sahid Khan (সাহিদ) wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 8:16 PM, Atanu Datta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > And LFY has an 8.10 multi-bootable DVD
>
> What is this multi-bootable DVD? Can I install all the distros from
> this single DVD?

Yes you can install any of those 5 distros from the DVD w/o burning another 
media. They will all show up in the first boot screen. You select which one 
you want to boot. 

The only exception is the Edubuntu image, which is an iso. This is because 
Edubuntu is distributed as an add-on CD image for a typical Ubuntu install, 
and not as a live or installable CD.

Best,
Atanu

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Re: [Ilugc] Employee Agreement of a FOSS company

[Atanu Datta]

On Thursday 04 December 2008 14:51:15 Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
> On Thursday 04 Dec 2008 1:59:15 pm Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> > The implication of being a FOSS company is that, there is a culture of
> > doing exactly this. The default choice would be to make everything
> > public.
>
> cool - so there would not be any NDAs? Do the employees have to hand over
> the copyright of the open sourced code to the company?

Yes, I'm also interested in knowing who owns the copyright--the company or the 
coder? As some free software does carry a tag of copyrighted by the vendor 
rather than an individual or a group of individuals. So, how is it decided 
whether a project should be a copyright of the FOSS company the coder is 
working for, or the coder's copyright instead?

Best,
Atanu

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Re: [Ilugc] Employee Agreement of a FOSS company

[Rahul Sundaram]

Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:

On Thursday 04 Dec 2008 1:59:15 pm Rahul Sundaram wrote:

The implication of being a FOSS company is that, there is a culture of
doing exactly this. The default choice would be to make everything
public.


cool - so there would not be any NDAs? Do the employees have to hand over the 
copyright of the open sourced code to the company?


It's been a while since I signed one. I will check the contract again 
and get back to you.


Rahul

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Re: [Ilugc] Employee Agreement of a FOSS company

[Kenneth Gonsalves]

On Thursday 04 Dec 2008 1:59:15 pm Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> The implication of being a FOSS company is that, there is a culture of
> doing exactly this. The default choice would be to make everything
> public.

cool - so there would not be any NDAs? Do the employees have to hand over the 
copyright of the open sourced code to the company?

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Re: [Ilugc] Fwd: How to become a Hacker in "Three Days" - HackSprints at Hackerdom ' 09

[taufiq aalam]

This is Great news.Do we have a mailing list for the same ?Where will I get
more info on this?Many thanks.

Towfeeque Aalam.

On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 2:07 AM, Hackerdom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Hackerdom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 2:06 AM
> Subject: Fwd: How to become a Hacker in "Three Days" - HackSprints at
> Hackerdom ' 09
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> "Announcing Hack-a-thons at Insignia 3.0- Hackerdom"
>
> While attempting to chalk out a list of talks in keeping with our motto :
> "Come a User, Return a Hacker", we were faced with the question of how to
> introduce a user to the hacker culture in a simple and understandable
> manner. And Voila!, the Hack-a-thon was born.
>
> Hack-a-thon is where the Hackers go into the crowd and guide the users to
> hack with them.
> We will be setting up sessions introducing the concepts of mailing lists,
> bug reporting, submitting contributions, documenting problems and giving
> them practical experience in doing things the hacker's way.
> We invite Hackers, Localization Teams and other interested parties to set
> up
> small guidance sessions where you will be able to help users, students and
> other hackers, begin contributing to your project.
>
>  NOTE: Hack-a-thon is not a developer meet developer coding session ! It is
> where you help others to learn the art of hacking and contribution.
>
>
> Cheers,
> Hacker
> from Hackerdom
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Re: [Ilugc] Re: Employee Agreement of a FOSS company

[Kenneth Gonsalves]

On Thursday 04 Dec 2008 1:51:32 pm Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> > first define what is a 'FOSS company'? The term is unclear. A company
> > that opensources all the code it produces? Then neither the employer nor
> > the employee get anything out of the code in terms of IPR. But such a
> > company will not last for more than 5 minutes.
>
>         I have been working for a company for the last 8 years that
>  produces code that is all under the GPL.  My primary activity is to
>  write code to support the tasks we have been contracted to perform.
>
>         The company was founded in 1972. Seems like a very very long
>  five minutes to me.

yes, certainly more than 5 minutes ;-) - could we have some more details about 
the company? And the employees contract?

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Re: [Ilugc] Employee Agreement of a FOSS company

[Rahul Sundaram]

Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:

On Wednesday 03 Dec 2008 5:54:02 pm Rahul Sundaram wrote:

can you confirm that all code produced by Red Hat is opensourced? If so,
obviously neither the programmer or the company directly gets money out
of it.

Let's assume that is true but it still disproves the notion that pure
open source entities are not sustainable. That was shattered by Cygnus
back in 1989.

http://www.toad.com/gnu/cygnus/index.html


good read - note I am *not* indulging in Red Hat bashing which is the 
favourite occupation a certain type of person. I am wondering about things 
like code that is used in-house - does it get open sourced automatically - if 
not, what is the implication wrt being a FOSS company? 


Historically, custom infrastructure code has been considered different 
from public products but if it solves one organization's problem it 
probably is useful to others as well.  I know atleast a few projects 
that has been written in-house by the infrastructure team and then made 
available as a public project.


One recent example would be

https://fedorahosted.org/genome/

The implication of being a FOSS company is that, there is a culture of 
doing exactly this. The default choice would be to make everything 
public. There might be a few exceptions for various reasons but nothing 
that significantly changes the sustainability of a business that 
operates this way.


Rahul
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[Ilugc] Re: Employee Agreement of a FOSS company

[Manoj Srivastava]

On Wed, Dec 03 2008, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:

> On Wednesday 03 Dec 2008 3:23:11 pm ம. ஸ்ரீ ராமதாஸ்|Sri Ramadoss M wrote:
>> Agreeable. But that's not what I asked for. I would like to now "Are
>> Employee - Employer agreement different in a FOSS company compared to
>> that of a Proprietary Company?, If so How? and on What aspects?"
>
> first define what is a 'FOSS company'? The term is unclear. A company that 
> opensources all the code it produces? Then neither the employer nor the 
> employee get anything out of the code in terms of IPR. But such a company 
> will not last for more than 5 minutes. 

I have been working for a company for the last 8 years that
 produces code that is all under the GPL.  My primary activity is to
 write code to support the tasks we have been contracted to perform.

The company was founded in 1972. Seems like a very very long
 five minutes to me.

manoj
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