[Ilugc] re: F/OSS Support for Enterprise, Education and Domestic purpose
Dear Luggies, I am interested to know form you, does any IT service company in India who provides F/OSS Support for Enterprise, Education and Domestic users in their day to day operations. To migrate from Copyright software to F/OSS environment. cheers RJ ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] re: F/OSS Support for Enterprise, Education and Domestic purpose
On Wednesday 14 Jan 2009 3:19:27 pm Ravi Jaya wrote: To migrate from Copyright software to F/OSS environment. FOSS software is copyright software -- regards KG http://lawgon.livejournal.com ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] re: F/OSS Support for Enterprise, Education and Domestic purpose
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 4:53 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.comwrote: On Wednesday 14 Jan 2009 3:19:27 pm Ravi Jaya wrote: To migrate from Copyright software to F/OSS environment. FOSS software is copyright software from proprietary software to FOSS RJ ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Anyone at MIT, GOI listening?
Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: given the present salary structure, the governent cannot afford to employ competent programmers. Max that NIC or CDAC pay is between 14-25K a month. The moment a person gets some experience, he leaves for the private sector. The max that NRC-FOSS pays for an engineering graduate is 14K and for a MSc is 18K - go figure. I know this is armchair advice, but I think govt. institutions have a crucial difference from regular companies - they don't have a profit motive. If you make a BHAG (big, hairy, audacious goal) and promote it like crazy in the newspapers, I think there plenty of competent programmers who are willing to give it a go even at the risk of lesser salaries. As I said, I might be completely off my rocker here, but when people can spend their free time writing code so that it will benefit the 'community', why can't we engage the same idealistic sentiments for improving governance? The key, I think, is providing alternative reward system - viz., recognition. Or, if I can dare to be even more optimistic, probably just a big, crazy enough goal will do :). Somehow I have a feeling that can work, because I've recently seen a couple of my close friends get actively involved with an NGO, even taking time off from their very well-paying jobs. Listening to their stories, plenty more are helping them, at least part-time. Even I'm tempted to go check out the place. So perhaps, it's just a matter of framing of a worthy goal and savvy marketing? Just my 2 paise :) V. ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] re: F/OSS Support for Enterprise, Education and Domestic purpose
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Ravi Jaya ravi.goglob...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Luggies, I am interested to know form you, does any IT service company in India who provides F/OSS Support for Enterprise, Education and Domestic users in their day to day operations. To migrate from Copyright software to F/OSS environment. நாங்க செய்யத் தொடங்கியிருக்கோம். -- ஆமாச்சு ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Anyone at MIT, GOI listening?
On Wednesday 14 Jan 2009 3:48:12 pm Vamsee Kanakala wrote: given the present salary structure, the governent cannot afford to employ competent programmers. Max that NIC or CDAC pay is between 14-25K a month. The moment a person gets some experience, he leaves for the private sector. The max that NRC-FOSS pays for an engineering graduate is 14K and for a MSc is 18K - go figure. I know this is armchair advice, but I think govt. institutions have a crucial difference from regular companies - they don't have a profit motive. If you make a BHAG (big, hairy, audacious goal) and promote it like crazy in the newspapers, I think there plenty of competent programmers who are willing to give it a go even at the risk of lesser salaries. there are lots of idealistic people who are (or say they are) willing to work for lesser salaries. But 14K a month is too much of a drop for them. In three years I have found only *one* person who was willing to do so. (And he took a drop from 30K to 14K). A few others are around - but they have EMI burdens. -- regards KG http://lawgon.livejournal.com ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] re: F/OSS Support for Enterprise, Education and Domestic purpose
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Ravi Jaya ravi.goglob...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Luggies, I am interested to know form you, does any IT service company in India who provides F/OSS Support for Enterprise, Education and Domestic users in their day to day operations. To migrate from Copyright software to F/OSS environment. cheers RJ Hi Ravi, You are talking about three different kinds of market segments , what is the idea or why ? -Satya http://www.linkedin.com/in/satyaakam ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] Need Suggestions for conducting a Linux fest as a part of my college symposium.
Hi, My name is Bhargav Prasanna. I'm doing my bachelor's in Electrical and Electronics Engineering in Meenakshi Sundararajan Egngineering College, Kodambakkam, Chennai. My department conducts a national level technical symposium called Epsilon every year on a chosen date in the month of January/February. This february, my seniors are conducting it. Next year, it'll be my batch's turn. As an ardent fan of FOSS and a Linux lover, I feel i should do something in connection with linux during Epsilon 2010. Please send in yer suggestions.. Thanx.. -- Sin Cera, Bhargav Prasanna ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Anyone at MIT, GOI listening?
Hi, On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Vamsee Kanakala vamli...@gmail.com wrote: As I said, I might be completely off my rocker here, but when people can spend their free time writing code so that it will benefit the 'community', why can't we engage the same idealistic sentiments for improving governance? The key, I think, is providing alternative reward system - viz., recognition. Or, if I can dare to be even more optimistic, probably just a big, crazy enough goal will do :). Vamsee, as I understand, good software takes a lot of time to write. Writing good software during free time is an incredibly difficult proposition. For many important open source projects, the contributions come from people who are trying to satisfy customers or release cycles with open source software and get paid in the process by companies like RedHat and IBM. The end result is that there is good quality open source software available that is done on-the-job. For example, the most significant contributors to the kernel are corporates. I am very interested to see how the recognition based reward system will work, it is a brilliant suggestion. But like Kenneth says, 14K in Chennai is tough for survival and with a family, you can just forget all about it. The point is that organizations must pay enough money so that money is no longer a problem. With financial issues looming large, I don't see how the poor guys can even think. Cheers, -- Shuveb Hussain Any technology sufficiently advanced is indistinguishable from magic. - Arthur C. Clarke Ibn 'Umar said The Messenger of God, may God bless him and grant him peace, took me by the shoulder and said, 'Be in this world as if you were a stranger or a traveller on the road.' Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 8, Hadith 425 ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Anyone at MIT, GOI listening?
Shuveb Hussain wrote: , 14K in Chennai is tough for survival and with a family, you can just forget all about it. Well, 14k in Chennai is as good as earning 25k in Bangalore, and if you don't have *your own family* it is very much possible to survive happily. It might not be the best option for long time but for a year or two, especially when you ought to be looking for gaining experience, a 14k job is more than enough. -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Anyone at MIT, GOI listening?
On Thursday 15 Jan 2009 9:30:17 am Shuveb Hussain wrote: recognition. Or, if I can dare to be even more optimistic, probably just a big, crazy enough goal will do :). Vamsee, as I understand, good software takes a lot of time to write. Writing good software during free time is an incredibly difficult proposition. For many important open source projects, the contributions come from people who are trying to satisfy customers or release cycles with open source software and get paid in the process by companies like RedHat and IBM. The end result is that there is good quality open source software available that is done on-the-job. For example, the most significant contributors to the kernel are corporates. I am constantly amazed at the amount of time people have free to write software - good software. Makes me wonder when these guys sleep (if they sleep). I am mostly a watcher of django and wxPython and the python community in general. Most of the developers have full time jobs - fortunately for them the jobs usually involve the open source projects they are contributing to, so their free time development work also complements their full time job work. And we have quite a few sleepless ones in India too - like Gopal from Yahoo! who does overtime work in Yahoo! and finds time for quality work in other projects. So people contributing in their free time is viable. But to what are they going to contribute? Even if the govt uses/develops open source for e-governance, the very nature of govt is to keep it secret and bar outside contributions. To date, barring a few minor things released by NRC-FOSS no government (or university or scientific institute in India has released anything as open source) - so even if free time developers are available, they have nothing to code on. The other option is to develop open source egovernance software and get the governments to use it. This is also a no-go, because government is bound by the tender system of purchase of software - and open source software does not fit in here. The only exception I have seen is Sahana - and the adoption of that by various governments is mainly due to the backing of IBM. -- regards KG http://lawgon.livejournal.com ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Anyone at MIT, GOI listening?
On Thursday 15 Jan 2009 9:59:52 am Parthan SR wrote: , 14K in Chennai is tough for survival and with a family, you can just forget all about it. Well, 14k in Chennai is as good as earning 25k in Bangalore, and if you don't have *your own family* it is very much possible to survive happily. It might not be the best option for long time but for a year or two, especially when you ought to be looking for gaining experience, a 14k job is more than enough. yes, precisely, the people we get are freshers who want experience - not much use for writing quality software. What we need are experienced people who want to take a sabbatical. -- regards KG http://lawgon.livejournal.com ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Anyone at MIT, GOI listening?
Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: What we need are experienced people who want to take a sabbatical. Perhaps that's where the answer lies for both Shuveb's question and yours. Perhaps an organization like NRC-FOSS can have tie-ups with companies wherein employees can take an year's sabbatical and work on governance related projects. Looking at the current financial situation, I think companies should be open to this. They would obviously love to save money and look good at the same time. Also, making it a short-term plan would encourage more experienced programmers with less commitments to try this out, without significant financial risk on their part. V. ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Would like to More about Gnome appl development
On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 8:27 AM, narendra babu cnarendra_b...@yahoo.comwrote: Hi Lugies! I am interested to develop application using GTK+ , Learn gtk+ first. If you prefer C++, try gtkmm. I personally find gtkmm very elegant. please advice which is the best place to start for Gnome appl development. Probably the best way to do this is to take up some project in sourceforge that needs UI developers. http://live.gnome.org/GnomeLove is another good starting point. Try some dummy apps first. Say a small calender. Then go ahead to gnome love, get the projects that need help and try your hand there. --- Ashok `ScriptDevil` Gautham P.S. I haven't contributed to any major project myself. I was searching for a similar answer some time back. This was the answer I got for myself! ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Anyone at MIT, GOI listening?
On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Vamsee Kanakala vamli...@gmail.comwrote: Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: What we need are experienced people who want to take a sabbatical. Perhaps that's where the answer lies for both Shuveb's question and yours. Perhaps an organization like NRC-FOSS can have tie-ups with companies wherein employees can take an year's sabbatical and work on governance related projects. Looking at the current financial situation, I think companies should be open to this. They would obviously love to save money and look good at the same time. The the larger question is the Indian Societal Structure and the distance-factor that good-programmers(geeks) have from it. Sabbaticals are still a dream (according to me) for many Indians - even those Indians who are overseas. For ex. I had quit my job and wandered around, and got asked a zillion times as to what was wrong with me and whether i was laid off or not. Loss-of-pay is considered a sin, and is primarily either for honeymoon or maternal-leave. Not referring to the 'programming scene' alone, but the same scenario exists with backpackers/traveling. Not many go on dollar-a-day backpacking. And the general travel bloggers that you see around(barring a few) are the ones who stay in all the expensive hotels and wander around in the most crowded places.From the travels that i have had, i clearly realized that you can at the max show a person a door, it is for him to go and open it. Am sure NRC-FOSS has a long way to go. PS: I like this thread, for it has some genuine ideas and likes to tackle the problem, than shouting arbit and yap(like in #linux-india) -V- http://twitter.com/venkat83 ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] re: status of fossconf 2009
On Thursday 15 Jan 2009 12:29:03 pm Ravi Jaya wrote: What is the current position of fossconf? Do we are going to plan one for this year, or its just dropped. I am for having it this year, but feb is the wrong month for it as there are many other conferences in feb. We could schedule it around September. We could also see who comes forward to bid for it - a group like the Jaya group would be good although there would be some logistics problems. We have learnt a lot of lessons from last year and am sure we could have a really good one this time. Last year's was good - so a better one this year. -- regards KG http://lawgon.livejournal.com ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Anyone at MIT, GOI listening?
On Thursday 15 Jan 2009 11:55:57 am Venkatraman S wrote: related projects. Looking at the current financial situation, I think companies should be open to this. They would obviously love to save money and look good at the same time. The the larger question is the Indian Societal Structure and the distance-factor that good-programmers(geeks) have from it. Sabbaticals are still a dream (according to me) for many Indians - even those Indians who are overseas. For ex. I had quit my job and wandered around, and got asked a zillion times as to what was wrong with me and whether i was laid off or not. Loss-of-pay is considered a sin, and is primarily either for honeymoon or maternal-leave. true - my nephews in New Zealand took around ten years to qualify as doctors as they kept taking a year off to travel or to work with the underpriviledged. Even now, they keep taking a year or two off from their jobs now and then. Not referring to the 'programming scene' alone, but the same scenario exists with backpackers/traveling. Not many go on dollar-a-day backpacking. And the general travel bloggers that you see around(barring a few) are the ones who stay in all the expensive hotels and wander around in the most crowded places.From the travels that i have had, i clearly realized that you can at the max show a person a door, it is for him to go and open it. also true Am sure NRC-FOSS has a long way to go. PS: I like this thread, for it has some genuine ideas and likes to tackle the problem, than shouting arbit and yap(like in #linux-india) well, there are a lot of good guys with sound ideas on #linux-india. I had this same sabbatical discussion there. People from the much higher levels of employment *do* on occasion take time off, and are able to get re-employed when they come back. But not the general run of person. I have tempted a lot of people, but at the last moment they get scared and back off. -- regards KG http://lawgon.livejournal.com ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
