Re: [Ilugc] why GNU should not be added to linux [was] Google drops Windows in their workplace
On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 1:59 PM, narendra sisodiya naren...@narendrasisodiya.com wrote: Person who put tarch-light at starting point and visioned the things is more important the followers and implementors. For the very same reason, person who make a open standard specification is more important then open source coder. For the very same reason, CEO who vision a technology is more important then his employee. We put huge credit to Gandhi for Freedom Fight but it doesn't exclude contribution to other. Finally, we have Linus's Kernel with such a wide spread, just because of GPL license. RMS was the one who wrote it and put some rule which define software freedom. He RMS was not there, then there was no license. without Public license, Linux will be another Window. IMO, the light/vision/implementations are more important than the person from whose mind these things originate. Its understandable if these visionaries fight/argue over bragging rights. But for proxies to indulge in this is confounding! Lets just raise a toast to the chef/chefs and enjoy the pudding :-) Also, IMO, there is no truth in arguments that claim that if person X did not invent implement Y then the course of histroy would've changed. It is the collective thought of the times that propel certain ideas to the forefront. That people are associated with them is just a matter of detail. Thats why we see many instances of simultaneous discoveries in many fields. If Newton did not invent Calculus (if at all he did) Leibnitz was ready with it. The only part history played here was to give Newton all the credit discounting all the prior art of the Leibnitz, the orientals, hindus and the arabs. And if Einstein did not give us the theory of relativity, Lorentz would've done it. To us, it does not matter. Its calculus and relativity that are more important. regds, mano ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT]A must watch video - What drive us, with an example case of Linux
On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 10:58 AM, Balaji Damodaran damodaran.bal...@gmail.com wrote: I hope you meant this link in youtube -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6XAPnuFjJchttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6XAPnuFjJc and not a link that gives the review of Rajneeti mo Good video, i watched it when it was shared in identi,ca's !linux group . Madurai is mentioned in this video :-) -- Arun S.A.G ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT]A must watch video - What drive us, with an example case of Linux
On Sunday 06 June 2010 11:37:09 Arun SAG wrote: I hope you meant this link in youtube -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6XAPnuFjJchttp://www.youtube.com/watch? v=u6XAPnuFjJc and not a link that gives the review of Rajneeti mo Good video, i watched it when it was shared in identi,ca's !linux group . Madurai is mentioned in this video :-) but they think it is a village! -- regards kg http://livejournal.com/lawgon ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT]A must watch video - What drive us, with an example case of Linux
On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 11:45 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.comwrote: but they think it is a village! When you compare madurai with their cities, madurai is indeed a village :-) -- Arun S.A.G ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT]A must watch video - What drive us, with an example case of Linux
On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Arun SAG saga...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 11:45 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.comwrote: but they think it is a village! When you compare madurai with their cities, madurai is indeed a village :-) Albeit a village with a history of a couple of thousand years :-) regds, mano ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Is there a workshop on 06-06-2010 in IIT and Zilogic systems
2010/6/5 ஆமாச்சு ramada...@amachu.net On Saturday 05 Jun 2010 10:55:58 pm Ravi Jaya wrote: my English teacher is not in the list. Other wise she might be killed me, for my poor writing skills. இன்னொருத்தரோட மொழிய சரியா பேசணும் எழுதணுங்கறதுல இருக்கற அக்கறைல நூத்துல ஒரு பங்கு கூட நம்ம மொழி விஷயத்துல இல்ல பாருங்க :-) +1, -- Ravi Jaya Mobile: +91 97909 16181 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Call for speakers to confirm the Summer Workshops
On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Shrinivasan T tshriniva...@gmail.comwrote: We have announced the summer workshops in http://wiki.ilugc.in/index.php?title=ILUGC_Summer_Workshopshttp://wiki.ilugc.in/index.php?title=ILUGC_Summer_Workshops I request all the speakers to confirm the date/venue/topic. Edit the wiki page or send a mail to the list. Hi, I have not prepared for the workshop, I won't be available next week. I removed my workshop from the wiki. -- Arun S.A.G ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] hi sir unable to mount 40gb file system
whenever i login to my file system or my hard drive it showing the error unable to mount 40gb file system i forget the correct password for root but am logged in while restarting my ubuntu log in i know that password but i cannot remember the root password how can i know my forget password please tell me ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] why GNU should not be added to linux
On 06/06/2010 11:49 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: On Sunday 06 June 2010 03:59:26 you wrote: (*) just to ward off the pedants who are already frothing in the mouth, I am aware that GPL isn't the first free software license, but it is the first 'free software as defined by the 4 freedoms license' -- which ultimately is the reason why linux as well as a lot of software is as free as it is now. It probably is the only free software license that has been tested in court. that is because it is practically the only free software license that restricts the rights of it's users and hence requires protection from the court - the truly free software licenses do not have such restrictions. That is debatable. I stick by my assertion that the reason linux grew at the pace it did and yet continued to be free as opposed to being hijacked and ^improved^ upon in a closed source manner is credit to the GPL. If you want to use/modify/redistribute the code, you do so under the same terms that it was offered to you. It is not a choice. It is a /requirement/. So, while you may call this 'restrictive' of the rights of it's users, I call it true participatory nature. IMHO, linux grew faster and better than the BSDs because of this. IMHO, OpenSolaris has not gained the community participation that linux has because of this. IMHO, the reason there isn't an Apple/Sun/Novell/M$/Google OS based on the linux kernel which is 'oh-so-kickass-but-severely-user-right-restricting' because of this. Everyone plays by the same rules so that everyone benefits. Saying that the GPL is restrictive is saying that the linux kernel is restrictive to participation. That assertion is just ridiculous. cheers, - steve -- random spiel: http://lonetwin.net/ what i'm stumbling into: http://lonetwin.stumbleupon.com/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] why GNU should not be added to linux
On 06/06/2010 09:39 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: On Sunday 06 June 2010 02:34:37 Prem Kurian Philip wrote: By the way, most GNU projects will compile quite happily using ICC. Even the Linux kernel could conceivably be modified to NOT use GCC extensions - thus allowing it to be easily compiled by other compilers. just curious - did linus use gcc when he first wrote his kernel? Yes: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.minix/msg/2194d253268b0a1b?pli=1 Quote: ALERT! WARNING! NOTE! These sources still need minix-386 to be compiled (and gcc-1.40, possibly 1.37.1, haven't tested), and you need minix to set it up if you want to run it, so it is not yet a standalone system for those of you without minix. Note however, the other GNU project dependency I mentioned (ie: the GPL) came along much later ...and apparently was considered by linus as definitely the best thing I ever did. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Linux#Linux_under_the_GNU_GPL Interesting to read the section just below this ^^^ one. cheers, - steve -- random spiel: http://lonetwin.net/ what i'm stumbling into: http://lonetwin.stumbleupon.com/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] why GNU should not be added to linux
On 06/06/2010 09:37 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: On Saturday 05 June 2010 22:13:44 praveen chandrahas wrote: It doesn't mean we can conveniently forget the ideological background. Remember, it was the ideology that spurred the development of the free OS. *Not the other way round*. The whole thing was written because people loved the ideology. who said so? people did/do it because they enjoy doing it - the guys with idealogy usually spend their time preaching and not developing and maintaining software. It doesn't have to be one or the other. Linus created linux because it was fun but he licensed it under the GPL, in fact *specifically* GPLv2, because he *deeply* cares about, understands and agrees with the ideology (note that agreeing/subscribing to an ideology != being a fanatic). References: http://kerneltrap.org/node/8382 http://kerneltrap.org/node/7161 http://kerneltrap.org/node/8369 http://kerneltrap.org/node/1735 http://www.tlug.jp/docs/linus.html cheers, - steve -- random spiel: http://lonetwin.net/ what i'm stumbling into: http://lonetwin.stumbleupon.com/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] hi sir unable to mount 40gb file system
On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 1:41 PM, jaya kumar jayakumargen...@gmail.comwrote: whenever i login to my file system or my hard drive it showing the error unable to mount 40gb file system i forget the correct password for root but am logged in while restarting my ubuntu log in i know that password did you ever changed your root password?? As it is ubuntu root password has to be set by the user.. ubuntu people donot provide root access by default. if you had never changed it then you can change (or create) a new root password by using current user name and password. here is how you can: 1. login as current user 2. open terminal and issue following command: $ sudo passwd root the above command will ask for current user passwd so to authorize sudo access then provide new password for root and confirm it.. i hope this had helped :) but i cannot remember the root password how can i know my forget password please tell me ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc -- idlecool ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Please suggest me a GNU/Linux distribution
On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Pankaj Kumar pan...@glug4muz.org wrote: Saturday 05 June 2010 23:11 को, Shrinivasan T ने लिखा था: Hi, School OS has everything you said. It is not KDE based. I am searching for KDE based distribution. Install arch linux and customize it according to your requirements :) you can end up with a very light weight desktop if properly selected packages are installed... download it here. http://schoolos.org/ -- Best Regards ... Pankaj Kumar ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc -- idlecool ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] why GNU should not be added to linux [was] Google drops Windows in their workplace
Hi, On 06/06/2010 11:36 AM, Manokaran K wrote: On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 1:59 PM, narendra sisodiya [...snip...] Thats why we see many instances of simultaneous discoveries in many fields. If Newton did not invent Calculus (if at all he did) Leibnitz was ready with it. The only part history played here was to give Newton all the credit discounting all the prior art of the Leibnitz, the orientals, hindus and the arabs. And if Einstein did not give us the theory of relativity, Lorentz would've done it. To us, it does not matter. Its calculus and relativity that are more important. There is a small difference here. The FSF (and rms) insist on the credit apparently because that would lead people to see, understand and appreciate the philosophy of free software. Unlike pure science (and as a result most pure science discoveries) software does not happen in a open environment(*). FSF just wants to underline the importance of software advancement in the same vein as scientific advancement -- ie: the sharing of knowledge so that others may build on top of it. So, I personally believe that putting a few words in about free software when talking about linux is not only nice but also necessary. That said, i still call the kernel linux and the OS whatever the distro is named. GNU/Linux ought to be a distro by the FSF. cheers, - steve (*) I know that unfortunately that generalization about science is not really true, greed permeates science too where millions of dollars are spent in closed room research facilities without sharing results just so that the application of the science will eventually lead to making money. Here's an unlikely hero (and ultimately a hypocrite) who opposes this type of behavior: http://tinyurl.com/2vrtv48 http://tinyurl.com/32bklxb -- random spiel: http://lonetwin.net/ what i'm stumbling into: http://lonetwin.stumbleupon.com/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] why GNU should not be added to linux
2010/6/6 Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com: who said so? people did/do it because they enjoy doing it - the guys with idealogy usually spend their time preaching and not developing and maintaining software. That is exactly why RMS insists on mentioning GNU in the name. Because GNU project was not started for fun, it was started to create a Free Unix like Operating System. Linux was written for fun. So those who believe ideology is important should continue to highlight why GNU was written, and adding GNU in the name is one such way. If people don't subscribe to this view, there are many, they can continue calling it Linux. -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് GPLv2 I know my rights; I want my phone call! DRM What use is a phone call, if you are unable to speak? (as seen on /.) ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] why GNU should not be added to linux
On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 5:27 PM, Praveen A prav...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/6/6 Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com: who said so? people did/do it because they enjoy doing it - the guys with idealogy usually spend their time preaching and not developing and maintaining software. That is exactly why RMS insists on mentioning GNU in the name. Because GNU project was not started for fun, it was started to create a Free Unix like Operating System. Linux was written for fun. So those who believe ideology is important should continue to highlight why GNU was written, and adding GNU in the name is one such way. If people don't subscribe to this view, there are many, they can continue calling it Linux. Couple of articles by Rich Stallman: http://www.gnu.org/gnu/why-gnu-linux.html http://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html quote Is it important whether people know the system's origin, history, and purpose? Yes—because people who forget history are often condemned to repeat it. The Free World that has developed around GNU/Linux is not guaranteed to survive; the problems that led us to develop GNU are not completely eradicated, and they threaten to come back. *** When I explain why it's appropriate to call the operating system GNU/Linux rather than Linux, people sometimes respond this way: Granted that the GNU Project deserves credit for this work, is it really worth a fuss when people don't give credit? Isn't the important thing that the job was done, not who did it? You ought to relax, take pride in the job well done, and not worry about the credit. *** This would be wise advice, if only the situation were like that—if the job were done and it were time to relax. If only that were true! But challenges abound, and this is no time to take the future for granted. Our community's strength rests on commitment to freedom and cooperation. Using the name GNU/Linux is a way for people to remind themselves and inform others of these goals. It is possible to write good free software without thinking of GNU; much good work has been done in the name of Linux also. But the term “Linux” has been associated ever since it was first coined with a philosophy that does not make a commitment to the freedom to cooperate. As the name is increasingly used by business, we will have even more trouble making it connect with community spirit. /quote ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] Re: [...@iitd:7867] [OT]A must watch video - What drive us, with an example case of Linux
On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Debasish Ray Chawdhuri debasish.raychawdh...@gmail.com wrote: The flv version is just an advertisement for 'Rajniti' movie. Since, I watched that one first, I really started wondering how it is related to Linux. But I then figured that there must be something wrong, and watched the ogg version. On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 2:57 AM, narendra sisodiya naren...@narendrasisodiya.com wrote: Ogg - http://tinyvid.tv/show/15vqa8mpsogk7 FLV - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fe607vyQ0Q Correct FLV - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6XAPnuFjJc Infact I liked the RSA and their animation style , http://thersa.org ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Re: [...@iitd:7867] [OT]A must watch video - What drive us, with an example case of Linux
On 6 June 2010 16:23, narendra sisodiya naren...@narendrasisodiya.com wrote: The flv version is just an advertisement for 'Rajniti' movie. Since, I watched that one first, I really started wondering how it is related to Linux. But I then figured that there must be something wrong, and watched Why are many of us bothering to even click on a Flash video( propreitary) when OGG(freedom ) video is available! Chrome and firefox play OGG by default and I can safely assume that most of us are using latest versions of them ! Regards, Pavithran -- pavithran sakamuri http://look-pavi.blogspot.com ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Series60-Remote - Manage your Symbian mobile in Ubuntu
On Tue, 2010-06-01 at 23:28 +0530, Yuvi Panda wrote: I use wammu (aptitude install wammu) for all my sms-from-comp needs. It also syncs up all your other stuff (contacts, todos, etc) I've tried wammu before with no luck but after seeing your email, I decided to give it another shot. It's brilliant, even better than the god-forsaken Nokia PC Suite. It auto-detected my phone (I picked the bluephonet option at random from the two options it showed me), and then picked up contacts, messages, battery level _and_ signal! Great tip, Yuvi. -- Roshan George ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Series60-Remote - Manage your Symbian mobile in Ubuntu
Hi, On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 3:05 AM, Yuvi Panda yuvipa...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 10:58 AM, Guruprasad lgp171...@gmail.com wrote: But wammu doesn't work perfectly with a lot of Symbian phones. Let me give this application a try with my Nokia N79 and get back with the feedback. Ah okay! It has so far worked perfectly with every phone I've tried it with (a motorolla, an SE phone and a Nokia classic), so didn't know it had trouble with Symbian. Do post your experiences with the N79/ I tried the bluetooth connection method with OBEX over bluetooth, it identifies the device and bluntly says your device does not support this type of connection. Installing Gnapplet was also a failure as installation of Gnapplet on the more recent Symbian releases is not supported. Will try other options and get back. Till then Series60-remote is the best I can get. Regards, Guruprasad ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] Hats-off to FSF Industrial Training @ SSN
Greetings, The 5 day Industrial Training conducted by Free Software Foundation, TamilNadu in association with SSN Engineering College ended today with a great blast! 220+ Students attended the 5 day Training and all sessions were fabulous learning experience. Mr.Ravi Jaya (Python Session), Mr.(Linux) Baskar (Linux Installation, Dir Structure) and all other speakers were great in delivering knowledge to all students. I need to specially thank Mr.Shanu, Mr.Praveen Chandrahas, Mr.Siddharth, Mr.Welkin, Mr.Shashan, SSN Management and all volunteers in making this event a great success. Mr.Shanu's session on FSF helped everyone to know what Free and Open Source Software is and how they can contribute. Mr.Siddharth handled enlightening session on Software Patents and FSMI. Mr.Praveen's session on Cloud and his complete presence helped all newbies to acquire clarity on many issues. Mr.Welkin's session on Downloading,Compiling and Creating Application was very interesting and informative. I (Santhosh.V) handled a session on how to do Projects and shared my experience with FSF, TN. This Event has motivated and gave a clarity of thought and usage to 220+ Students where you can see many of them already started working on Linux. Projects were assigned to every college participated. Hats-Off to FSF, TamilNadu for their good Work! -Regards, Santhosh.V Regional Manager, Joomla User Community- Asia, Student, Arunai Engineering College ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] தமிழ் இணைய மாந ாடு 2010 - கோயம்புத்தூர் - பங்களிப்புகள் வரவேற் கப்படுகின்றன
Sir, I am willing to volunteer this event and i am also from coimbatore. 2010/6/5 ramada...@amachu.net வணக்கம், தமிழ் விக்கிபீடியா குழுவினரின் உதவியுடன் இம்மாதம் கோவையில் நடைபெறவிருக்கிற தமிழ் இணைய மாநாடு 2010 இன் கண்காட்சியில் கட்டற்ற இயங்குதளங்கள், மென்பொருள்கள் குறித்து கடையிட போகிறோம். அதற்கான ஆயத்தப்பணிகளில் ஒத்துழைப்பு தேவைப்படுகிறது. ஒத்துழைப்பு தர விரும்புவோர் எம்மை தொடர்பு கொள்ளவும். மேலும் கண்காட்சியில் கலந்து கொள்ள அனைவரையும் அழைக்கிறோம். http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/165/detail/ -- ஆமாச்சு ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc -- राजकुमार follow me http://twitter.com/krisrajkumar ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] FSFTN: Industrial Training Report
Greetings, We are very happy to announce that, the five day Industrial Training organized by Free Software Foundation, Tamil Nadu was a grand success. 270+ participated, got enlightened and exposed to the world of FOSS. Our sincere thanks to the volunteers and organizers for making it possible once again. -- Alagunambi Welkin Free Software Foundation, Tamil Nadu ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Hats-off to FSF Industrial Training @ SSN
This Event has motivated and gave a clarity of thought and usage to 220+ Students where you can see many of them already started working on Linux. Projects were assigned to every college participated. Hats-Off to FSF, TamilNadu for their good Work! @Santhoh, Why cant you organize a workshop of these kind in your college. I hope the students in your locality would get benefited. Think about it. For any assistance we would be their to help you out. @ FSF Team. I like to thank the Team FSF-TN for given me an opportunity to be part of great show. Keep up the good work TEAM. Special thanks to Welkin and others who had pulled me in. -- Ravi Jaya Mobile: +91 97909 16181 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Re: [...@iitd:7867] [OT]A must watch video - What drive us, with an example case of Linux
On Sunday 06 June 2010 19:11:07 Balaji Damodaran wrote: Apologies for the troll, had this stuck in my neck for so long. but true believers are allowed to use reliance cdma cellphones -- regards kg http://livejournal.com/lawgon ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] why GNU should not be added to linux
On Sunday 06 June 2010 14:57:15 Praveen A wrote: 2010/6/6 Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com: who said so? people did/do it because they enjoy doing it - the guys with idealogy usually spend their time preaching and not developing and maintaining software. That is exactly why RMS insists on mentioning GNU in the name. Because GNU project was not started for fun, it was started to create a Free Unix like Operating System. Linux was written for fun. So those who believe ideology is important should continue to highlight why GNU was written, and adding GNU in the name is one such way. If people don't subscribe to this view, there are many, they can continue calling it Linux. cool. so those who like to enjoy themselves should continue to write and enjoy code - the rest of you can be serious and and go around the world adding gnu- slash to everything. -- regards kg http://livejournal.com/lawgon ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Re: [...@iitd:7867] [OT]A must watch video - What drive us, with an example case of Linux
On 6 June 2010 19:11, Balaji Damodaran damodaran.bal...@gmail.com wrote: Since this has turned into an OT (yet again), I'd like to specify an incident. RMS came to our company in Bangalore and he gave a speech on freedom and free software. Amusing mail :) sorry for going OT . I was just wondering why people click on youtube link rather than the ogg video which more/less plays by default in browsers . I am not commenting on individual but just thinking aloud on why we weren't able to spread OGG well . Well lets assume how a true believer will be . First he will be using openmoko with any n/w provider . Then for navigation he will be using open street maps . On his home box he should be running gnewsense or similar distros ( Here is GNU recommended free distros http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html ) . His mail would be checked via emacs . emacs would be the central point for his entire works . He would not be using any email service .. mostly will be running his own server for domain and email services ( again in pure free s/w ) Regards, Pavithran -- pavithran sakamuri http://look-pavi.blogspot.com ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Re: [...@iitd:7867] [OT]A must watch video - What drive us, with an example case of Linux
On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 6:26 PM, pavithran pavithra...@gmail.com wrote: On 6 June 2010 16:23, narendra sisodiya naren...@narendrasisodiya.com wrote: The flv version is just an advertisement for 'Rajniti' movie. Since, I watched that one first, I really started wondering how it is related to Linux. But I then figured that there must be something wrong, and watched Why are many of us bothering to even click on a Flash video( propreitary) when OGG(freedom ) video is available! +1, I hate flv video but i gave flv version for sake for playlist of other RSAnimated videos. I always submit flv version to tinyvid.tv for conversion. this may be a good reason to open flv url infact, youtube can be played in Chrome also... many a lot of videos are available in html5 version.. you may find this as interesting - http://blog.narendrasisodiya.com/2010/06/how-and-why-browser-share-ratio-will-be.html Chrome and firefox play OGG by default and I can safely assume that most of us are using latest versions of them ! Regards, Pavithran -- ┌─┐ │Narendra Sisodiya │http://narendrasisodiya.com └─┘ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Re: [...@iitd:7867] [OT]A must watch video - What drive us, with an example case of Linux
On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 7:11 PM, Balaji Damodaran damodaran.bal...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 6:26 PM, pavithran pavithra...@gmail.com wrote: On 6 June 2010 16:23, narendra sisodiya naren...@narendrasisodiya.com wrote: The flv version is just an advertisement for 'Rajniti' movie. Since, I watched that one first, I really started wondering how it is related to Linux. But I then figured that there must be something wrong, and watched Why are many of us bothering to even click on a Flash video( propreitary) when OGG(freedom ) video is available! Chrome and firefox play OGG by default and I can safely assume that most of us are using latest versions of them ! Since this has turned into an OT (yet again), I'd like to specify an incident. RMS came to our company in Bangalore and he gave a speech on freedom and free software. He asked the audience to stop using cellphones, because they're proprietary and they can detect where you are. He said that he doesn't have a cellphone, but he suggested to use a cellphone that is open sourced. A person kept a bottle of Kinley water next to him, he said that he doesn't use Coca-Cola products because he is part of the wordwide boycott of that company. He said that sometimes he doesn't drink a drop of water while travelling in flight because the flight served only coca-cola products. So, I hope true believers of freedom don't drinking coca-cola products, don't use iphone, blackberry, (symbian is opensourced, yay!), Imagine RMS as a great Sadhu/Mahatma/Avtar. If you try to follow him, that does not means you have to become like him. If you like Ramdev Baba, you need to be become like him Or you need not to perform all his yoga in single day. He is just defining the ultimate digital freedom and various issue.. it is upto you, how much you can walk/take windows, mac osx, adobe products, mp3 songs, dvd movies, divx movies, don't play flash games, video games based on windows, nvidia, don't use microsoft docs, hell they shouldn't be even using google docs. Reject .Net projects at work, Infact, we should have the guts to quit the company where we work because they use only windows. Noise Actually you should throw your desktop/laptop (while you are at it, make sure you break burn it) because the bios used is proprietary. /Noise lets all practice what we preach. Apologies for the troll, had this stuck in my neck for so long. Regards, Pavithran -- pavithran sakamuri http://look-pavi.blogspot.com ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc -- ┌─┐ │Narendra Sisodiya │http://narendrasisodiya.com └─┘ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Re: [...@iitd:7867] [OT]A must watch video - What drive us, with an example case of Linux
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 12:02 AM, narendra sisodiya naren...@narendrasisodiya.com wrote: So, I hope true believers of freedom don't drinking coca-cola products, don't use iphone, blackberry, (symbian is opensourced, yay!), Imagine RMS as a great Sadhu/Mahatma/Avtar. If you try to follow him, that does not means you have to become like him. If you like Ramdev Baba, you need to be become like him Or you need not to perform all his yoga in single day. He is just defining the ultimate digital freedom and various issue.. it is upto you, how much you can walk/take read as you need *NOT *to be become like him Or you need not to perform all his yoga in single day. ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] FSFTN: Industrial Training Report
270+ participated, got enlightened and exposed to the world of FOSS. awesome effort. Thanks for FSFTN and SSN college for these activities. Keep spreading the Freedom. -- Regards, T.Shrinivasan My experiences with Linux are here http://goinggnu.wordpress.com For Free and Open Source Jobs http://fossjobs.in ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] why GNU should not be added to linux
Hi, On 06/06/2010 11:25 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: linux grew not because of GPL but because it followed the bazaar mode of development - unlike RMS's projects which were highly restricted as long as he was part of them. Emacs, gcc etc only took off properly after he was 'retired' from them. Invalid. *All* free operating systems follow the bazaar model. Only linux became mainstream and stayed free. Mach+BSD became mainstream in their OSX avatar but it is non-free: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X Did you read the links I posted ? Here is a quote in one of them from linus himself: But for a project I actually care about, I would never choose the BSD license. The license doesn't encode my fundamental beliefs of 'fairness'. I think the BSD license encourages a 'everybody for himself' mentality, and doesn't encourage people to work together, and to merge. Let me put this in source management terms, since I've also been working on a source control management project for the last few years: the BSD license encourages 'branching', but the fact is, branching is not really all that interesting. What's interesting is 'merging': the branching is just a largely irrelevant prerequisite to be able to merge. The GPLv2 encourages *merging*. Again, the right to 'branch' needs to be there in order for merges to be possible, but the right to branch is actually much less important than the right to 'merge'. Do you really want to disagree with linus about his choice of license for his own OS ? He has said *plenty* of times (read the links I posted) that choosing the GPLv2 license was the best thing he did for linux !! ...and you want to deny it's effect ? ...if you do, you are just being unreasonably stubborn, pretty much like the character this thread talks about. Stallman is a genius - no doubt about it. But he is incapable of working collaboratively with others - which linus does, and guido and a whole lot of other bdfls. If you want to learn about how to talk about freedom - listen to RMS. If you want to learn how to write open source software and sustain it - listen to linus. True as it maybe, it is not rms's genius, but his stubbornness to not confirm and take the easy path, as most others would've, that laid the foundations of the larger movement that we know as FOSS today. Like I said in one of my other posts in this thread, talking about freedom and writing open source software are *not* mutually exclusive ! Linus, irrespective of what you want to imagine, cares *deeply* about freedom too (read the links), he just prefers to be pragmatic about it. cheers, - steve -- random spiel: http://lonetwin.net/ what i'm stumbling into: http://lonetwin.stumbleupon.com/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] aksharamukha source..
வணக்கம், கடந்த மாத தமிழ்க் கணிமைக் கூடலில்[1] வினோத்ராஜன் அக்ஷரமுகா மென்பொருள் பற்றி விவரித்திருந்தார். அதன் மூல நிரல் தற்போது கிடைக்கப்பெறுகிறது. http://launchpad.net/aksharamukha [1] - http://kanimozhi.info/கட்டற்ற_தமிழ்க்_கணிமை_பகிர்ந்துரையாடல்/15-05-2010 -- ஆமாச்சு ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] why GNU should not be added to linux
On Monday 07 June 2010 02:43:17 you wrote: Invalid. All free operating systems follow the bazaar model. Only linux became mainstream and stayed free. Mach+BSD became mainstream in their OSX avatar but it is non-free: I beg to differ - from what I have read about the development of GCC and EMACS, the development model was more cathedral style as long as RMS was the BDFL. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X Did you read the links I posted ? Here is a quote in one of them from linus himself: But for a project I actually care about, I would never choose the BSD license. The license doesn't encode my fundamental beliefs of 'fairness'. I think the BSD license encourages a 'everybody for himself' mentality, and doesn't encourage people to work together, and to merge. Let me put this in source management terms, since I've also been working on a source control management project for the last few years: the BSD license encourages 'branching', but the fact is, branching is not really all that interesting. What's interesting is 'merging': the branching is just a largely irrelevant prerequisite to be able to merge. The GPLv2 encourages *merging*. Again, the right to 'branch' needs to be there in order for merges to be possible, but the right to branch is actually much less important than the right to 'merge'. Do you really want to disagree with linus about his choice of license for his own OS ? He has said plenty of times (read the links I posted) that choosing the GPLv2 license was the best thing he did for linux !! ...and you want to deny it's effect ? ...if you do, you are just being unreasonably stubborn, pretty much like the character this thread talks about. any one is free to choose his own license. And linus was quite free to chose GPL - and since he has licensed git under the same license, it looks like he is still pro GPL. But I have to disagree with him in his assesment of BSD style licenses. I do not see anything untoward happening with projects like Apache, python, postgresql et al. I have been called unreasonably stubborn - and btw it is one of the things I appreciate about RMS. Stallman is a genius - no doubt about it. But he is incapable of working collaboratively with others - which linus does, and guido and a whole lot of other bdfls. If you want to learn about how to talk about freedom - listen to RMS. If you want to learn how to write open source software and sustain it - listen to linus. True as it maybe, it is not rms's genius, but his stubbornness to not confirm and take the easy path, as most others would've, that laid the foundations of the larger movement that we know as FOSS today. Like I said in one of my other posts in this thread, talking about freedom and writing open source software are not mutually exclusive ! Linus, irrespective of what you want to imagine, cares deeply about freedom too (read the links), he just prefers to be pragmatic about it. where did I ever say that he does not care about freedom? All I am saying is that in order for software to be truly free, it should follow a particular methodology of development - for want of a better word, the bazaar methodology. And this is also in context of many of our local developers. They will not keep committing code - they wait till it is 'complete' - by which time it is too late for any one else to help out. So we get large number of one-man projects. One of the reasons for this is that they think that as long as the code is released under a free license, it is open source software. It is not - there is much more to open source software than just making the code available for download. A whole support system needs to be built - it is only then that the true power of open source comes into play. -- regards kg http://livejournal.com/lawgon ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: Re: [Ilugc] why GNU should not be added to linux
From: Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com On Sunday 06 June 2010 02:34:37 Prem Kurian Philip wrote: By the way, most GNU projects will compile quite happily using ICC. Even the Linux kernel could conceivably be modified to NOT use GCC extensions - thus allowing it to be easily compiled by other compilers. just curious - did linus use gcc when he first wrote his kernel? -- I think he did. My memory of this is a little vague but the first time I used Linux sometime in 1992/1993 or so, it required gcc. But Linus did start developing Linux on Minix (I think he used Gcc 1.37 initially and then 1.4) and only later on removed Minix apps and replaced then with GPL apps. Actually one of the first things he ported over when Linux became self-hosting was gcc and bash. I think 386BSD etc continued to use their own compilers. Regards, Prem ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
