Re: [Ilugc] IBM is moving to Firefox as its default browser
On Saturday 03 July 2010 11:26:27 Rahul Sundaram wrote: On Friday 02 July 2010 16:20:43 Balaji Damodaran wrote: It was surprising that no one is flaming IBM yet. They're not so friendly to opensource either pure FUD - IBM has made available a huge amount of code as open source and there are huge resources built and maintained by IBM to support open source. It is not as black and white however. For example, they hold the largest number of software patents in the world and continue to strongly lobby for expanding the scope of patenting in the world. They even argued to the Supreme court in US that software patents benefit free and open source software. nothing is black and white - take yahoo!, they contribute their satellite images freely to openstreetmap, release a lot of the code they write into open source and happily patent a lot of software. There is an old english proverb 'he who lives in a glass house should undress in the dark'. If we apply the principle of only black and white, very few if anyone on this list qualifies to be here. (certainly I do not). But let us be reasonable - there is a huge amount of 'white' in IBM which is thus much higher on the side of the good guys than microsoft. Of course Redhat is almost pure white on the scale. let people who use fully free software on their mobiles, who do not touch google apps, who only use non-patented hardware flame IBM. Let the rest of us keep our peace. -- regards kg http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] IBM is moving to Firefox as its default browser
On 07/03/2010 11:45 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: nothing is black and white - take yahoo!, they contribute their satellite images freely to openstreetmap, release a lot of the code they write into open source and happily patent a lot of software. There is an old english proverb 'he who lives in a glass house should undress in the dark'. If we apply the principle of only black and white, very few if anyone on this list qualifies to be here. (certainly I do not). But let us be reasonable - there is a huge amount of 'white' in IBM which is thus much higher on the side of the good guys than microsoft. Of course Redhat is almost pure white on the scale. let people who use fully free software on their mobiles, who do not touch google apps, who only use non-patented hardware flame IBM. Let the rest of us keep our peace. Although I could argue about some specific points here, my point was not about purity but simply that we need to continue to keep a critical eye on who we consider friends of free software. Rahul ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] open source in engineering/manufacturing industry
On Wednesday 02 June 2010 14:03:46 Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: I hope you will summarize and share your findings to all the ILUG lists to which this has been posted. yes - I only posted on two lists as promised, I am developing the talk here: http://nrcfosshelpline.in/code/wiki/SiemaPresentation participation is welcomed - when the talk is done, the slides will be modified to incorporate the feedback and put up somewhere for use -- regards kg http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] IBM is moving to Firefox as its default browser
pure FUD - IBM has made available a *huge* amount of code as open source and there are *huge* resources built and maintained by IBM to support open source. +1 One example of IBM contribution to Open Source is eclipse. Regards Subhojit Ojha ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] RMS Interview on Indian National channel DD9 on sunday
has he said anything new? -- regards kg http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ Hi Kenneth, Stallman's site is http://www.stallman.org, he keeps it updated regularly with the help of a few volunteers from around the world. You can read it check out if he has said anything new on http://identi.ca/rms Hope this information helps. Regards, -- Vivek Varghese Cherian Senior Systems Administrator RHCT ( # 605010995430406) Website : http://vivekvc.freeshell.org Blog: http://vivekvc.wordpress.com Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/vivekvc IRC: Vivek and ViveKVC on both Freenode and OFTC GPG Key fingerprint = 1EB1 0647 9574 18A3 40B5 8D74 F842 576B 3C2B 8538 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] RMS Interview on Indian National channel DD9 on sunday
On Saturday 03 July 2010 13:53:10 Vivek Varghese Cherian wrote: Stallman's site is http://www.stallman.org, he keeps it updated regularly with the help of a few volunteers from around the world. yikes - avoid the US and Japan, dont use US, london and Paris airports, boycott facebook, do not buy harry potter books - well I must say I follow him on all points except facebook. -- regards kg http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Re: Workshop on VLB Janakiammal college
On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 11:19 PM, Shrinivasan T tshriniva...@gmail.com wrote: Please reply here if you are interested to handle any session. Add your name, email id, interested topic. Count me in on any activities happening in the Coimbatore area. I can confirm once the dates are finalized. - Raja ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] IBM is moving to Firefox as its default browser
On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 11:45 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com wrote: On Saturday 03 July 2010 11:26:27 Rahul Sundaram wrote: On Friday 02 July 2010 16:20:43 Balaji Damodaran wrote: It was surprising that no one is flaming IBM yet. They're not so friendly to opensource either pure FUD - IBM has made available a huge amount of code as open source and there are huge resources built and maintained by IBM to support open source. It is not as black and white however. For example, they hold the largest number of software patents in the world and continue to strongly lobby for expanding the scope of patenting in the world. They even argued to the Supreme court in US that software patents benefit free and open source software. nothing is black and white - take yahoo!, they contribute their satellite images freely to openstreetmap, release a lot of the code they write into open source and happily patent a lot of software. There is an old english proverb 'he who lives in a glass house should undress in the dark'. If we apply the principle of only black and white, very few if anyone on this list qualifies to be here. (certainly I do not). But let us be reasonable - there is a huge amount of 'white' in IBM which is thus much higher on the side of the good guys than microsoft. Of course Redhat is almost pure white on the scale. To give credit to IBM, they made eclipse fully open sourced. They fund a lot of Linux and java-based opensource projects. More particularly they funded CouchDB, which was developed by Damien Katz, ex-IBM employee who worked on Lotus Notes team which is a similar document based DB. They have a list of projects to which they claim that they're contributing: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/views/opensource/projects.jsp But, lets not be blatant in embracing IBM as the good guys shall we. As Rahul pointed out, IBM has more patents than any other software company in the world and they do use that patents against open source projects: http://www.computerworlduk.com/community/blogs/index.cfm?entryid=2891blogid=14 http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2010/04/ibm-breaks-taboo-and-betrays-its.html Any guess why they threatened that particular open source project?: Because the project is a *mainframe* emulator. I can argue that IBM going open source is only a tactical business decision to oust Microsoft and Sun (now Oracle) in the enterprise space. -- http://www.zdnet.com/news/open-source-ibms-deadly-weapon/296366 , but it is a no-brainer isn't it. My point is not don't just hate Microsoft, hate IBM too - It is to be diligent in whom we consider as good, and whom we consider as evil for FOSS and always be wary of big corporate companies and their hidden agenda. let people who use fully free software on their mobiles, who do not touch google apps, who only use non-patented hardware flame IBM. Let the rest of us keep our peace. -- regards kg http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] [OT]The most powerful voices in Open Source
This is an interesting article about the list of most powerful voices in Open Source. http://www.mindtouch.com/blog/2010/03/17/mpv/ The top 10 are: 1.Tim OReilly - Founder of OReilly Media 2. Linus Torvalds - developer, Linux Kernel 3. Chris Messina - Open Source advocate (known for his involvement in helping to create the BarCamp, Spread Firefox, and coworking movements) 4. Jonathan Schwartz - ex-CEO, Sun Microsystems 5. Miguel de Icaza - developer, GNOME and Mono projects 6. Glenn Hilton - CEO of ImageX Media. Mac-using, social media-loving, open source enthusiast 7. Glyn Moody - known for his book 'Rebel Code: Linux and the Open Source Revolution' 8. Matt Asay - populat CNET Blogger 9. Dries Buytaert - original product lead for Drupal 10. Guido van Rossum - author of Python Though a bit controversial since RMS is nowhere in the top 50 list. Maybe because they've used Twitter and Google sites and not identi.ca or maybe genuinely there is no buzz around him in social networks and blogosphere. ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Wifi Icon is available but Not able to find my modem
On 28 June 2010 16:46, sдм sндямд samshar...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, Recently I have upgraded to Ubuntu 10.04 LTS Desktop Edition (32 bit) on my HP TX 1003 Laptop. Now I cannot find my wifi modem, The wifi is enabled in the system and able to see the icon still could not search the modem. I have installed most wifi related packages using *Synaptic manager.* Is there any packages to be installed? Hi, Did you check the hardware drivers program to see if you need any proprietary drivers? -- Bhargav Prasanna Linux - Because x64 is a terrible thing to waste ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT]The most powerful voices in Open Source
On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Balaji Damodaran damodaran.bal...@gmail.com wrote: This is an interesting article about the list of most powerful voices in Open Source. http://www.mindtouch.com/blog/2010/03/17/mpv/ The top 10 are: 1.Tim OReilly - Founder of OReilly Media 2. Linus Torvalds - developer, Linux Kernel 3. Chris Messina - Open Source advocate (known for his involvement in helping to create the BarCamp, Spread Firefox, and coworking movements) 4. Jonathan Schwartz - ex-CEO, Sun Microsystems 5. Miguel de Icaza - developer, GNOME and Mono projects 6. Glenn Hilton - CEO of ImageX Media. Mac-using, social media-loving, open source enthusiast 7. Glyn Moody - known for his book 'Rebel Code: Linux and the Open Source Revolution' 8. Matt Asay - populat CNET Blogger 9. Dries Buytaert - original product lead for Drupal 10. Guido van Rossum - author of Python Though a bit controversial since RMS is nowhere in the top 50 list. Well he never speak about open source !! He speak about Free software(free as in Freedom ) -- ┌─┐ │Narendra Sisodiya │http://narendrasisodiya.com └─┘ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Wifi Icon is available but Not able to find my modem
On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Bhargav Prasanna bhargavprasa...@gmail.comwrote: On 28 June 2010 16:46, sдм sндямд samshar...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, Recently I have upgraded to Ubuntu 10.04 LTS Desktop Edition (32 bit) on my HP TX 1003 Laptop. Now I cannot find my wifi modem, The wifi is enabled in the system and able to see the icon still could not search the modem. I have installed most wifi related packages using *Synaptic manager.* Is there any packages to be installed? Paste the output of 'lspci -n' here. S. Baskar CEO/LinuXpert Systems ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [Professional] Ubuntu + Openoffice.org Training for beginners.
Could I take part in the training too? Regards Anupama On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 8:49 PM, naga raja naga2r...@gmail.com wrote: As part of our new initiative in the name of *Free Software Academy*, We are offering a 40 hour of training on *Ubuntu and OpenOffice.org* starting July 17. Weekend batches (Saturday and Sunday) and evening batches (6.30 - 8.30 pm) have been planned. The training will happen at our office G2, block 'C', Suraj Nivas, 16/17 Station Border Road, Nehru Nagar, Chromepet, Chennai - 600044. One Month post training support will be provided for Chrompet Vasies. Batches restricted to a maximum of 10 numbers. To join and know further details on pricing etc., contact me offline or mail us at inquiry at fsa dot org dot in. Pass on this message to the needy. -- Thanks and Regards, T.Nagaraja ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Anything available in India ? Smallest Linux Computer
On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 1:29 AM, narendra sisodiya naren...@narendrasisodiya.com wrote: Hey, Do anybody know any smallest Linux Module which can be purchased in India. Ex - http://www.picotux.com/ I have not seen anything this small. Soekris, PC Engines, Beagle boards come with a close to full fledged functionality in sandwich box form factor. Can you share the application you have in mind for this kind of device? -- Arun Khan ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] Re: call for speakers - July Meet
Please volunteer for the talks. Thanks. -- Regards, T.Shrinivasan My experiences with Linux are here http://goinggnu.wordpress.com For Free and Open Source Jobs http://fossjobs.in ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Re: call for speakers - July Meet
Hello Shrini, I would like to take this opportunity and share my experience. Title : Open Talk - From Proprietary to Open source *Back Ground: * - 10 years of experience in IT. - Worked in top tier Consulting company - Consulted on implementation of CRM products to various government agencies and corporates. - Worldwide implementation of SAP, Siebel ( Now part of Oracle), MicroSoft technologies ( Microsoft Project Server) and Java packaged application for IT Governance ( Now part of HP) What made a hardcore proprietary consultant to Open Source? Let's meet on July 10th to know why? Thanks, Senthil ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Development of Reporting tool
On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 8:31 AM, Girish Venkatachalam girishvenkatacha...@gmail.com wrote: I also never understood what you mean by reporting tool. Can you elaborate please? Reporting tools are the class of tools that specialize in only one thing - Reporting. it can generate reports in PDF, Email, HTML, CSV, charts, etc.The underlying principle is that all the data required is available as-is in the database, and the developer has made a template. The end user invokes this report to get it with the latest data. You can think of a SQL view versus a normal SQL Query. Hence, reporting tools are generally coupled with BI (Business Intelligence) and Data Warehousing (DWH) softwares. To answer the original question: My first choice would be Jasper Reports for web applications and Eclipse BRIT framework for a local setup. HTH, Natarajan. ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] when wil be the softwafreedom re day conducted and where ?
hi to all when wil be the softwafreedom re day conducted and where ? is it conducted in chennai or outer chennai please can u tell the venue and date ? sfd is conducted all over india same date ? is all welcome to sfd ? any registration fees to pay ? please inform ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] when wil be the softwafreedom re day conducted and where ?
Hi friends, when wil be the softwafreedom re day conducted and where ? This year it is on 18th Sept 2010.Which is saturday. more info: www.softwarefreedomday.org is it conducted in chennai or outer chennai please can u tell the venue and date ? We are still searching for place, I propose Independence Park, behind Vallurvaur Kottam, Chennai. This needs permission from Chennai corporation. Any one have have some contact/influence do get this thing done, Members kindly add your thoughts. sfd is conducted all over india same date ? Yes. World wide celebrated on 18th sep 2010 this year. is all welcome to sfd ? any registration fees to pay ? AFAIK,It is free for public. Cheers, Thyagarajan Shanmugham ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Development of Reporting tool
The one i asked is, there are many opensource applications which lacks in functinality of reporting, say for example some network monitoring tools may lack in web based reporting etc. I need some suggetion of such application so that i can involve in development of that thing. On 7/3/10, Shrinivasan T tshriniva...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Please explain more on what is your real requirement. What is mean by reporting tool? any example? -- Regards, T.Shrinivasan My experiences with Linux are here http://goinggnu.wordpress.com For Free and Open Source Jobs http://fossjobs.in ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Anything available in India ? Smallest Linux Computer
On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 6:52 PM, Arun Khan knu...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 1:29 AM, narendra sisodiya naren...@narendrasisodiya.com wrote: Hey, Do anybody know any smallest Linux Module which can be purchased in India. Ex - http://www.picotux.com/ I have not seen anything this small. Soekris, PC Engines, Beagle boards come with a close to full fledged functionality in sandwich box form factor. Can you share the application you have in mind for this kind of device? No application as such in mind. Just wanted to admire the beauty inside the smallest beast... -- ┌─┐ │Narendra Sisodiya │http://narendrasisodiya.com └─┘ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] [suggestion] Turn off anonymous edits in ilugc wiki
Hello there, I am just wondering why don't you folks turn off anonymous editing in ilugc wiki. The wiki is being heavily spammed by bots. FYI http://wiki.ilugc.in/index.php?title=User_talk:Sagarun page was automatically created by a spam bot. Thanks and regards, Arun S.A.G ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
RE: [Ilugc] Teaching OpenSource
Dear Srinivasan Thankyou for the book link I was expecting a book like this Why we did not make a book of this kind ? I am in this list for the past 8 years. I observer only few books are made by this list members [ Linux learning, command ref and Tamil version of The Cathedral and the Bazaar ,Do not ask me why you did not write a book ?. because, i am still in learning process.] Do not take my comments into your heart Have a nice day Thiagu -Original Message- From: ilugc-boun...@ae.iitm.ac.in [mailto:ilugc-boun...@ae.iitm.ac.in] On Behalf Of Shrinivasan T Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 1:43 AM To: ILUG-C Cc: kanchi...@freelists.org Subject: [Ilugc] Teaching OpenSource Friends. Found an excellent book on Teaching Open Source. Practical Open Source Software Exploration How to be Productively Lost, the Open Source Way Edition 0.8 Get it at http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/Textbook_Release_0.8 It has the following contents. 1. Foreword, by Greg DeKoenigsberg 2. Introduction to Free and Open Source Software, by Greg DeKoenigsberg 3. The Lay of the Land, by Chris Tyler 4. Getting the Code, by Greg DeKoenigsberg and Mel Chua 5. Building the Code, by Greg DeKoenigsberg 6. Debugging the Code, by Greg DeKoenigsberg 7. Fixing the Code, by Jeff Sheltren 8. Explaining the Code: the Art of Documentation, by Karsten Wade 9. Release Early, Release Often, by Greg DeKoenigsberg This is an excellent book to teach/mentor/learn on contributing to open source. -- Regards, T.Shrinivasan My experiences with Linux are here http://goinggnu.wordpress.com For Free and Open Source Jobs http://fossjobs.in ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [Professional] Ubuntu + Openoffice.org Training for beginners.
Sir, I am from Velacherry, Now. Can I too participate in this. (If the crowd is not much). Used to stay at Tambaram Sanatorium - for 17 years - still have friends over there, they too would be interested. s.sivakumar ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
