Re: [Ilugc] Tamil Phonetic Typing in Fedora

2011-12-04 Thread sag kavin 
> >> Yes. Have you tried ibus? yum install ibus. There is also a tamil typing
> >> booster available. Please do a yum search for tamil. yum search tamil.
> >>
> >> scim
>
 ibus-m17n will give you Tamil phonetic typing too.
yum install ibus ibus-m17n
will do the trick.
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Re: [Ilugc] Comparing programing languages [was: perl OO]

2011-12-04 Thread Natarajan V 
I think, this thread is slightly moving away from Linux and moving
towards programming skills and hiring. Should we tag it as [OT]?

On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Suraj Kumar  wrote:
> Measuring one's language skills is of use only for gauging if the
> candidate might be useful to fulfill, also, the short term needs (which,
> usually, is to maintain/extend/fix an already developed solution).

Agreed.

> Measuring based on language skills is of only a cosmetic use from the point
> of view of hiring a long-term asset for a company.

+1

> Perl (or C, for that matter) doesn't lay out things on a plate. Perl
> requires understanding of core OS concepts before one can build real world
> applications for use in a production environment.

I Agree, and agree to disagree as well :-)
I agree that you need to get your OS fundamentals strong if you really
need to code well in C/PERL. The disagreement is on the fact that when
I want someone to be strong in Fundamentals, OS Concepts are NOT the
only fundamentals. Linking back to your homepage - System Thinking is
a good example of fundamentals.

> PHP, Java, etc., OTOH,
> makes it infinitely easy for anybody to program and build seemingly real
> world applications, allowing all sorts of people to write all sorts of
> things and still get away with it. In Java, it is the VM that externalizes
> problems, as though, it is someone else's to handle.

Again, Agreed and disagreed. I agree that Java, .NET and to some
extent PHP, and others as well, do hide the OS implementations. This
doesn't mean that I can write rubbish and expect the VM to take care
of everything. A well experienced Java (or .NET) guy can guide you
though how a memory leak could occur in a Java program, how to use a
profiler to debug the memory leak, how threads get tangled causing
deadlocks, etc... Sounds familiar?

As I said earlier, we try to solve a different set of problems with
different tools. We don't necessarily take care of freeing up the
memory in Java, as we do in C. But, this doesn't mean that you can
create anything you want. We still need to make sure that the Garbage
Collector (GC) will be able to handle the memory on it's own, by
coding correctly. A bad programmer will be the same across all
languages.

> I meant to say, thus, if you come across a perl programmer who has built
> real world applications, chances are their fundamentals will be strong
> (which, of course, you'd be testing in the interview). Their fundamentals
> are strong because the language forced them to rethink their approach at
> every juncture of their own skill development.

The definition of what you mean by fundamentals makes a difference
here. I would go down to "Systems Thinking" for example as a
fundamental. OS Concepts, ... well an extremely added advantage?
Unfortunately, *Nix and other "time shared" scheduling OSs are not the
only one type lying around.


> That said, likewise, one
> also comes across a whole bunch of "perl scripting" people who have not
> written anything more than 300 lines of relevant code... but then, again,
> it is very easy to spot them.

Spot on. Agreed +1

How come the candidates who come for interviews, never even realize this?

>> IMHO, the problem isn't with Java/Perl, its a problem with your
>> question paper / interview panel.
>
> Absolutely agree. But tell me, from your experience, do you have a perfect
> interview panel who all ask relevant, core testing questions? :)

pass :-)
Actually, I have had identifying good panelists for myself.

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Re: [Ilugc] Anyone knows Skype for Ubuntu ?

2011-12-04 Thread Krishnan Sethuraman 
Skype is working for me too.

On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Girish Venkatachalam <
girishvenkatacha...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey,
>
> Just download skype static(not dynamic).
>
> It will just work out of the box.
>
> The sounds will need some tweaking(install path) but it will
> serve your purpose.
>
> Check the mic, recording is a pain .
>
> Otherwise it will work on any Linux.
>
> But on Ubuntu perhaps installing the DEB would be the best idea in
>  case you don't have dependency issues.
> -Girish
>
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 6:31 PM, manimaran  wrote:
> >  On Friday 02 December 2011 08:51 AM, Version Control Buddy wrote:
> >>> Is there any Skype for Ubuntu 8.10 ?
> >>>
> >>> Or atleast let me know of any instance of working Skype in any Ubuntu
> >>> version.
> >>>
> >>> The Skype download page does not list Ubuntu 8.10.
> >>>
> >> I belive it is still in the repository. you can try apt-get or synaptic
> to
> >> install it. I have not validated this in ubuntu, but its there in my
> mint,
> >> which is based out of ubuntu.
> >>
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Re: [Ilugc] Anyone knows Skype for Ubuntu ?

2011-12-04 Thread sugantha 
> Skype is working for me too.
>

+1. Works for me on Ubuntu 10.04 LTS - Lucid Lynx
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Re: [Ilugc] Need ubuntu 11.10 cd.

2011-12-04 Thread Krishnan Sethuraman 
Pls download and create a disc.

2011/11/30 Vishnu Guruswamy 

> Hi Ilugu
> I need ubuntu 11.10 cd.  Anyone have that, please give me one copy.
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[Ilugc] Fedora 16 with Gnome shows iPhone charge indicator.

2011-12-04 Thread Prasanna Venkadesh 
Dear folks,

I was very much surprised to see in Fedora 16 when i connected my iphone to
charge via USB cable and in Battery Indicator there was 2 indicators,
1. Showing my Laptop battery charge status and
2. Other showing my iphone battery charge status.

I have written it in my blog with screenshot here
http://prasopensource.wordpress.com/fedora-16-surprising-indicator/

I haven't seen such a thing in any other Operating systems. Wanted to share
this new feature with you all.

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Re: [Ilugc] Fedora 16 with Gnome shows iPhone charge indicator.

2011-12-04 Thread Swapnil Bhartiya 
On 12/04/2011 06:30 PM, Prasanna Venkadesh wrote:

>
> I was very much surprised to see in Fedora 16 when i connected my iphone to
> charge via USB cable and in Battery Indicator there was 2 indicators,
> 1. Showing my Laptop battery charge status and
> 2. Other showing my iphone battery charge status.

iPhone?

Swapnil
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[Ilugc] [TIP] perl III more looping

2011-12-04 Thread Girish Venkatachalam 
Just like the if() condition in languages there is an unless()
condition in perl.

It is just the opposite of if.

$j = 6;

unless($j eq 6) {
print "j is not 6";
}

if($j eq 6) {
print "j is 6";
}

You can also write conditionals like this:

print "I matched" if (/here/);

or:

print "Not matching" unless(/here/);

Of course this construct only makes sense inside a loop since $_ gets
 set only in such conditions. And this need be a for() iterator.

It can also be a file read with the <> (diamond operator).

Now we will see the while loop.

It is just like C. Except that there is a dollar everywhere.
$i = 26;

while($i > 0) {
print "$i\n";
$i--;
}


There is also do while().

$i = 26;

do {
print "$i\n";
$i--;
}while($i > 0);

We have an example to obtain user input and then a conditional code.

$ cat i.pl
print "Please enter a number:";
$i = <>;

chomp($i);
if($i eq 1) {
print "i is 1\n";
} elsif($i eq 100) {
print "is is 100\n";
} else {
print "i is neither 1 nor 100\n";
}
$ perl i.pl
Please enter a number:

Note that chomp() is used to remove a training newline from input.

<> reads a line or lines from standard input STDIN depending upon whether
 the LHS is a scalar($var) or array(@a).1

Now we will see how to do break and continue  using last and next:

$ cat i.pl

@arr = (1,2,2,4, "something" , 3, 5, 56, "more string", "last", 334);

for(@arr) {
unless(/\d/) {
print "Got string:$_\n";
}
if($_ eq 2) {
print "I am continuing\n";
next;
}
if($_ eq 56) {
print "I am breaking the loop\n";
last;
}
}

Enough for today.

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Re: [Ilugc] talk on 18th

2011-12-04 Thread Girish Venkatachalam 
 Dear all,

 Just a gentle reminder:

 http://ae.iitm.ac.in/pipermail/ilugc/2011-November/068653.html

 Please make it if you find it useful to attend.

-Girish
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[Ilugc] How to create yahoogroups like site?

2011-12-04 Thread technocraze 
Hi,

I am working on a buddypress project to create a social networking 
site.  I want to create a mailing list for each buddypress groups, and 
enable user to discuss in that group through email.  Suppose, if i am 
creating a group for python users, i should get  a group mail like  
pythonus...@mysite.com .  This group mail should contain all members of 
the python buddypress group.  When the user leaves the group, he should 
be automatically unsubscribed from this mailing list too.

Do anyone have any idea over this?  All user interfaces can be done 
through buddypress plugins.  But how do i create a new group mail, 
dynamically?

Regards,
Senthil
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Re: [Ilugc] How to create yahoogroups like site?

2011-12-04 Thread Sundaram Ramachandran 
>  But how do i create a new group mail, 
> dynamically?

Use Mailman, which is the software used for this ilugc mailing list.

...KRS
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Re: [Ilugc] How to create yahoogroups like site?

2011-12-04 Thread technocraze 
On 12/5/2011 9:19 AM, Sundaram Ramachandran wrote:
>>   But how do i create a new group mail,
>> dynamically?
> Use Mailman, which is the software used for this ilugc mailing list.
>

If i am right, mailman provides only one group mail id.  Please correct 
me if i am wrong.

More over, i have to create a new group mail id dynamically through 
php.  When i create a new buddypress group, i should get a group mail on 
the name of that group.  Is it possible with mailman?

to give a scneario, suppose, let us assume i am working on a social 
networking project for this Chennai Linux User group.  We have many 
categories of mails coming to this, and NOT every wants everything.  
Suppose, i want to create separate subgroups for each kind of mails.  
The mails would be like  j...@ilugc.com , m...@ilugc.com,  
n...@ilugc.com etc.   Is this possible with mailman?

It is possible with groupserver.org , but i could not install it 
properly.  More over, i want to use buddypress, and integrate this 
groupmail feature there.

Regards,
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Re: [Ilugc] How to create yahoogroups like site?

2011-12-04 Thread Sundaram Ramachandran 
> If i am right, mailman provides only one group mail id.  Please correct 
> me if i am wrong.

You can create any number of groups with Mailman.

Regarding building an interface with an external site, it is also possible.

ilugcbe mailing list is actually ilug...@googlegroups.com but still adminstered 
through Mailman.

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Re: [Ilugc] Tamil Phonetic Typing in Fedora

2011-12-04 Thread Dwaraka Nath 

Hi !
I did try installing ibus and the booster packages for tamil. But, I couldn't 
find the Tamil keyboard layout even then. All I did notice as the keyboard 
layouts were
1. Tamil2. Tamil keyboard with numerals3. Tamil (Srilanka, TAB typewriter)4. 
Tamil (Srilanka, UNICODE)5. Tamil (Tab typewriter)6. Tamil (TSCII typewriter)7. 
Tamil (UNICODE)
But, none of them seem to support phonetic typing. 
Am I missing out somewhere ?  
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Re: [Ilugc] talk on 18th

2011-12-04 Thread Roshan Mathews 
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 08:23, Girish Venkatachalam
 wrote:
>  Just a gentle reminder:
>
>  http://ae.iitm.ac.in/pipermail/ilugc/2011-November/068653.html
>
>  Please make it if you find it useful to attend.
>
Do we just show up with the money in hand?  Or else you can set up
something at http://doattend.com ... any other confirmation of
participation required?  It will also be useful to know what you plan
to cover - is it Perl for programmers, or Perl as an introduction to
programming.

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Re: [Ilugc] Need ubuntu 11.10 cd.

2011-12-04 Thread Shrinivasan T 
where are you from?

I have it.
I live at tambaram and work at guindy.

mail me off list to get it.
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Re: [Ilugc] Tamil Phonetic Typing in Fedora

2011-12-04 Thread sag kavin 
>I did try installing ibus and the booster packages for tamil. But, I
couldn't find the Tamil keyboard layout even then. All I >did notice as the
keyboard layouts were

> >1. Tamil2. Tamil keyboard with numerals3. Tamil (Srilanka, TAB
> typewriter)4. Tamil (Srilanka, UNICODE)5. Tamil (Tab >typewriter)6. Tamil
> (TSCII typewriter)7. Tamil (UNICODE)
> >But, none of them seem to support phonetic typing.
> >Am I missing out somewhere ?
>

Change the keyboard Input method to ibus. Or start ibus-daemon directly
using Alt+F2. Then right click on i bus icon in notification area, go to
preference you will find few of languages expand drop-down list. Then
choose tamil phonetic.
Then add it. While clicking in text box press Ctrl+space to enable the
chosen phonetic. Now it should work.
note: ibus-m17n will enable Tamil support.

Have a great day!
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Re: [Ilugc] talk on 18th

2011-12-04 Thread Girish Venkatachalam 
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Roshan Mathews  wrote:
>>  http://ae.iitm.ac.in/pipermail/ilugc/2011-November/068653.html
>>
>>  Please make it if you find it useful to attend.
>>
> Do we just show up with the money in hand?  Or else you can set up
> something at http://doattend.com ... any other confirmation of
> participation required?  It will also be useful to know what you plan
> to cover - is it Perl for programmers, or Perl as an introduction to
> programming.
>
> This sounds good.
>

Dear Roshan,

Hi.

I did not know the website you sent for registrations. You just show up
 and yes if you want to have tea, then with the money. ;)

You can just walk in.

After a couple of months of this perhaps we can organize things in a better way.

As to what in perl I am going to cover I guess it will be a good one
day dump of the basics to advanced stuff, but I will focus more on the
basics than on the advanced stuff.


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Re: [Ilugc] Indian UID, Aadhar Project Is A Proprietary, Non Open Source Project?

2011-12-04 Thread JAGANADH G 
Hi All

Finally the myth uncovered
The UIDAI Chief Architect Reghunath Balasubrahmanian says that the AADHAR
project uses a bunch of FOSS tools like MongoDB, MySQL, Hadoop, RabbitMQ,
Apache Tomact etc

For details see Dec. issue of Linux For You Magazine
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