date:20120702

hi,

caveat - this is a long Girish-style post full of my personal opinions,
so if you continue reading it, do not blame me - you have been
warned ;-)

First, some background: some years back I attended a foss promotion
meeting attended by big shots from IBM, Sun, HP etc. The HP guy was most
vehement in supporting open source and attacking Microsoft. I asked why
all his ads say 'Compaq recommends Microsoft Windows'. He said that
Microsoft pays a big subsidy to any company that puts in that sentence
in their ads, so the marketing people put it in. Also Microsoft will not
pay if some models come with Linux and the word 'linux' is prominent. If
the word is there, it should be in the smallest possible type.

At times Acer (and some other companies) release models - usually
flagship models - that ship with linux. The rule laid down by Microsoft
is that this should be mentioned in small type and the recommendation of
Windows in a very prominent position. In short, Microsoft does it's best
to see that the term Linux does not get prominence anywhere. So what
else is new - we all know this.

What we all do not realise is that a lot of companies that produce linux
distros - and a lot of people who use the said distros are also helping
Microsoft to play down the term Linux. If one looks at the sites of
redhat, fedora, suse, debian, mandriva, one finds plentiful mention of
the word linux. But the word is missing in the sites of two 'popular'
distros - android and ubuntu. If you ask most Linux users what OS they
use, they will say 'Linux' (or GNU/Linux). But if you ask people using
distros like Ubuntu or android, they will say 'Ubuntu' or 'android'.

Similarly hardware companies that ship machines with linux are persuaded
to use terms like 'we ship with ubuntu' or 'we ship with android' rather
than say 'we ship with linux'.

I will not go into how the distros that disown Linux also fail to
contribute back to the community ... this is too well known.

So let us promote - and encourage others to promote - Linux (or, if you
so desire GNU/Linux.

 
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Re: [Ilugc] why it is important to promote linux

2012-07-02 Thread pavithran

On 2 July 2012 13:36, kenneth gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com wrote:
 But the word is missing in the sites of two 'popular'
 distros - android and ubuntu. If you ask most Linux users what OS they
 use, they will say 'Linux' (or GNU/Linux). But if you ask people using
 distros like Ubuntu or android, they will say 'Ubuntu' or 'android'.

Ubuntu did use the term linux once for its famous slogan  Linux for
Human beings when it was introducing its distribution based at PCs .
But once they reached a fair share of market and when the CD
distribution was at a peak stage they shifted and dropped the name
linux all together .

Coming to Android , they are a modified linux kernel ( so are also
others) with binary blobs which somehow doesn't bring it close to FOSS
eco system and hence many didn't mind the missing term .
I guess its upto google to give attribution where its due and stop
being evil which was and I guess is still its motto .

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Re: [Ilugc] why it is important to promote linux

 Similarly hardware companies that ship machines with linux are persuaded
 to use terms like 'we ship with ubuntu' or 'we ship with android' rather
 than say 'we ship with linux'.

 I will not go into how the distros that disown Linux also fail to
 contribute back to the community ... this is too well known.

 So let us promote - and encourage others to promote - Linux (or, if you
 so desire GNU/Linux.

In my opinion, fragmenting the Linux brand as Ubuntu or Android or other 
brands is a good thing. For long, one person has embezzled the credit 
for the work of the entire community.

GNU has contributed the most to the base system. But it should be 
mentioned that, the most commonly used softwares such as email clients, 
web browsers, web servers, multimedia editing/viewing, gaming, GUI shell 
(kde) and so on are contributed by a vast and diverse section of the 
community.

Even though, I support RMS on GNU/Linux name, to fully represent the end 
product, the name should be totally random or a representation of the 
community as a whole.

I would say promote Linux as a product but not as a brand.

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Re: [Ilugc] 3 days FDP program at AMS college


 A 3 day FDP program on FOSS syllabus as per Anna University, Chennai was 
 conducted in Aalim Mohammed Salegh  College of Engg, Avadi.

 On 26-6-2012 Baskar Selvaraj covered package management, virtualisation and 
 networking.
 On 27-6-2012 I covered perl and mysql. K.Baskar covered python gtk,qt and 
 gambas
 On 28-6-2012 Ravi Jaya covered PHP, compiling kernel

 About 25 faculty members from various colleges attended the program. Entire 
 session was hands on.


Great Work. I hope the trained faculty become active members in the 
ilugc mailing list.

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Re: [Ilugc] why it is important to promote linux

2012-07-02 Thread Roshan Mathews

On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 1:36 PM, kenneth gonsalves
law...@thenilgiris.com wrote:
 [...] If one looks at the sites of
 redhat, fedora, suse, debian, mandriva, one finds plentiful mention of
 the word linux. But the word is missing in the sites of two 'popular'
 distros - android and ubuntu.


FWIW, number of times the word linux is visible on page (not in the
source of the page):

|--+-+---|
| Distro   | URL | Count |
|--+-+---|
| Debian   | http://www.debian.org/  | 0 |
| Fedora   | http://fedoraproject.org/   |2* |
| Mandriva | http://www.mandriva.com/en/ |12 |
| Redhat   | http://www.redhat.com/  | 0 |
| Suse | http://www.suse.com/|13 |
| Ubuntu   | http://www.ubuntu.com/  | 0 |
|--+-+---|

*2 for Fedora, not counting a customer quote which mentions it
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 On 26-6-2012 Baskar Selvaraj covered package management, virtualisation
 and networking.
 On 27-6-2012 I covered perl and mysql. K.Baskar covered python gtk,qt and
 gambas
 On 28-6-2012 Ravi Jaya covered PHP, compiling kernel

 we covered Subversion as well part of the third day session.


  On behalf of ILUGC I thank the management and faculty for the opportunity.

+1.


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 Great Work. I hope the trained faculty become active members in the
 ilugc mailing list.

Hope you are not kidding,  at least I guess, they should be passive
participants in the LUG.



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 Great Work. I hope the trained faculty become active members in the
 ilugc mailing list.

 Hope you are not kidding,  at least I guess, they should be passive
 participants in the LUG.


I wasn't kidding. I just think, their contribution to the list will be 
invaluable, even if non-technical, since they have direct contact with 
the students. I don't expect them to be super active but just emailing 
once in a while should be no harm.

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Re: [Ilugc] why it is important to promote linux

On Mon, 2012-07-02 at 14:55 +0530, Roshan Mathews wrote:
 law...@thenilgiris.com wrote:
  [...] If one looks at the sites of
  redhat, fedora, suse, debian, mandriva, one finds plentiful mention
 of
  the word linux. But the word is missing in the sites of two
 'popular'
  distros - android and ubuntu.
 
 
 FWIW, number of times the word linux is visible on page (not in the
 source of the page):
 
 |--+-+---|
 | Distro   | URL | Count |
 |--+-+---|
 | Debian   | http://www.debian.org/  | 0 |
 | Fedora   | http://fedoraproject.org/   |2* |
 | Mandriva | http://www.mandriva.com/en/ |12 |
 | Redhat   | http://www.redhat.com/  | 0 |
 | Suse | http://www.suse.com/|13 |
 | Ubuntu   | http://www.ubuntu.com/  | 0 |
 |--+-+---|
 
 *2 for Fedora, not counting a customer quote which mentions it
  three times.
 
 

I said 'site' not 'page'. 
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Re: [Ilugc] 3 days FDP program at AMS college

On Mon, 2012-07-02 at 15:47 +0530, 0 wrote:
  Hope you are not kidding,  at least I guess, they should be passive
  participants in the LUG.
 
 
 I wasn't kidding. I just think, their contribution to the list will
 be 
 invaluable, even if non-technical, since they have direct contact
 with 
 the students. I don't expect them to be super active but just
 emailing 
 once in a while should be no harm. 

I have been doing FDPs countrwide for the past 6-7 years, and the total
number of staff members who have actively or passively joined LUG lists
is precisely 0.
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Re: [Ilugc] 3 days FDP program at AMS college

2012-07-02 Thread Sundaram KR

 I have been doing FDPs countrwide for the past 6-7 years, and the total
 number of staff members who have actively or passively joined LUG lists
 is precisely 0.
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Did u threaten them or something? ;-)

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Re: [Ilugc] 3 days FDP program at AMS college

2012-07-02 Thread Vignesh Nandha Kumar

On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 4:00 PM, kenneth gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.comwrote:

 I have been doing FDPs countrwide for the past 6-7 years, and the total
 number of staff members who have actively or passively joined LUG lists
 is precisely 0.


I've organised FDP as a student volunteer, working closely with the staff
members (one and half years back). From my observation, most of them
attended FDPs just for the certificates. They believe such certificates add
value to their profile and that it helps in their career growth; no
different from the attitude of majority of students. Yes, it was shocking.

There were very few staff who attended with genuine interest. But making
that interest sustain requires lot more effort than such 2-3 day
programmes, IMHO.

P.S: I'm not generalising things. I'm just saying what I observed.

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Re: [Ilugc] 3 days FDP program at AMS college

On Mon, 2012-07-02 at 16:03 +0530, Sundaram KR wrote:
  I have been doing FDPs countrwide for the past 6-7 years, and the
 total
  number of staff members who have actively or passively joined LUG
 lists
  is precisely 0.
 --
 
 Did u threaten them or something? ;-) 

it is the nature of staff members in our colleges to be terrified of
appearing foolish in front of students, so they avoid any forums where
there is a possibility of this happening.
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Re: [Ilugc] why it is important to promote linux

2012-07-02 Thread Roshan Mathews

On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 3:56 PM, kenneth gonsalves
law...@thenilgiris.com wrote:
 On Mon, 2012-07-02 at 14:55 +0530, Roshan Mathews wrote:
 law...@thenilgiris.com wrote:
  [...] If one looks at the sites of
  redhat, fedora, suse, debian, mandriva, one finds plentiful mention
 of
  the word linux. But the word is missing in the sites of two
 'popular'
  distros - android and ubuntu.
 

 FWIW, number of times the word linux is visible on page (not in the
 source of the page):


 I said 'site' not 'page'.


Number of Google search results for linux on site:

|--+---|
| Search phrase| Count |
|--+---|
| linux site:debian.org| 2,430,000 |
| linux site:fedoraproject.org |   193,000 |
| linux site:mandriva.com  |   186,000 |
| linux site:redhat.com| 1,440,000 |
| linux site:suse.com  |   159,000 |
| linux site:ubuntu.com| 1,460,000 |
|--+---|

Also relevant, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty_and_doubt

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Re: [Ilugc] 3 days FDP program at AMS college

2012-07-02 Thread Asokan Pichai

On 2 July 2012 16:20, kenneth gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com wrote:

 On Mon, 2012-07-02 at 16:03 +0530, Sundaram KR wrote:
   I have been doing FDPs countrwide for the past 6-7 years, and the
  total
   number of staff members who have actively or passively joined LUG
  lists
   is precisely 0.
  --
 
  Did u threaten them or something? ;-)

 it is the nature of staff members in our colleges to be terrified of
 appearing foolish in front of students, so they avoid any forums where
 there is a possibility of this happening.


Hmmm. Possible. But I believe it is lot more mundane than that. Life goes on
whether they know something or not. So there is no real need to learn, much
less learn *after* a training program.

As has been mentioned more than once, the only driver for many people
-- teachers, students all-- if not a vast majority, is the certificate.

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Re: [Ilugc] why it is important to promote linux

On Mon, 2012-07-02 at 14:46 +0530, 0 wrote:
  So let us promote - and encourage others to promote - Linux (or, if
 you
  so desire GNU/Linux.
 
 In my opinion, fragmenting the Linux brand as Ubuntu or Android or
 other 
 brands is a good thing. For long, one person has embezzled the credit 
 for the work of the entire community.

quote
Linus Torvalds shared the Linux kernel on some internet groups for MINIX
users. Linus first called the operating system Freax. The name Freax
came from joining up the English words free and freak, and adding an
X to the name because Unix has an X in its name. Ari Lemmke, who worked
with Linus at the University, was responsible for the servers that Freax
was stored on. Ari did not think Freax was a good name, so he called the
project Linux without asking Linus. Later, Linus agreed that Linux was
a better name for his project.
/quote

quote
Embezzlement is the act of dishonestly withholding assets for the
purpose of conversion (theft), of such assets by one or more individuals
to whom such assets have been entrusted, to be held and/or used for
other purposes.
/quote

quote
The practice of quoting out of context, sometimes referred to as
contextomy or quote mining, is a logical fallacy and a type of false
attribution in which a passage is removed from its surrounding matter in
such a way as to distort its intended meaning.
/quote

The context in this post is the huge financial and propaganda effort
being put in by Microsoft to prevent the spread of linux (or call it
open source or foss) - it is not the ongoing quarrel between various
people on the assignment of credit for creating parts of the open source
software ecosystem. If you want to have a thread on that subject feel
free to start your own.


[...]

 Even though, I support RMS on GNU/Linux name, to fully represent the
 end 
 product, the name should be totally random or a representation of the 
 community as a whole.

unfortunately the train left the station 20 years back.
 
 I would say promote Linux as a product but not as a brand.

whatever this means
 
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Re: [Ilugc] 3 days FDP program at AMS college



 I've organised FDP as a student volunteer, working closely with the staff
 members (one and half years back). From my observation, most of them
 attended FDPs just for the certificates.

+1,
Even I heard from some faculty's they used to bunk these workshops , skip
one or two day in between, they would be prompt on the last day to collect
their  certifications.



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Re: [Ilugc] why it is important to promote linux

On Mon, 2012-07-02 at 16:35 +0530, Roshan Mathews wrote:
 Number of Google search results for linux on site:
 
 |--+---|
 | Search phrase| Count |
 |--+---|
 | linux site:debian.org| 2,430,000 |
 | linux site:fedoraproject.org |   193,000 |
 | linux site:mandriva.com  |   186,000 |
 | linux site:redhat.com| 1,440,000 |
 | linux site:suse.com  |   159,000 |
 | linux site:ubuntu.com| 1,460,000 |
 |--+---| 

congratulations - I am sure you went through each of these links to find
out where they were on the site, in what context they were there,
whether they were put there by the authors of the site and how visible
they are to the viewers of the site.

And here's one more which you can add to your collection of useless
statistics:

site:microsoft.com linux322,000


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Re: [Ilugc] 3 days FDP program at AMS college

On Mon, 2012-07-02 at 16:47 +0530, ravi jaya wrote:
  I've organised FDP as a student volunteer, working closely with the
 staff
  members (one and half years back). From my observation, most of them
  attended FDPs just for the certificates.
 
 +1,
 Even I heard from some faculty's they used to bunk these workshops ,
 skip
 one or two day in between, they would be prompt on the last day to
 collect
 their  certifications.
 
 

they usually stay until the free lunch before bunking
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[Ilugc] What the topic for next weeks discussion ?

2012-07-02 Thread Balasubramaniam Natarajan

Hi

Ilugc members what is the topic for next week meeting ?

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Re: [Ilugc] Ubuntu powered Laptops and Desktops

On Thu, 2012-06-28 at 15:30 +0530, Sundaram KR wrote:
 @Kenneth - Which distro you use often? And why? 
 
 
 
 Strangely enough, I recall Kenneth using Ubuntu :) 
 
 

that is why I am qualified to talk about the advantages (for me and my
family) of using fedora over Ubuntu. I have used it for years, and still
spend a lot of time using it in helping my students to debug their
problems (many of them have ubuntu). Most people who rave about ubuntu
have no experience of other distros and are not qualified to compare.
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Re: [Ilugc] What the topic for next weeks discussion ?

2012-07-02 Thread Balasubramaniam Natarajan



 Ilugc members what is the topic for next week meeting ?

 Actually I meant on what topic people are going to take sessions ?

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Re: [Ilugc] What the topic for next weeks discussion ?

2012-07-02 Thread Guruprasad

Hi,

On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Balasubramaniam Natarajan
bala150...@gmail.com wrote:


 Ilugc members what is the topic for next week meeting ?

 Actually I meant on what topic people are going to take sessions ?

You are manually quoting your reply in your emails, which can be
confusing to a lot of people. Kindly check your email client settings,
if you are using one and that is doing the quoting for you. Don't
manually add a '' to the lines containing your reply.

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Re: [Ilugc] why it is important to promote linux

2012-07-02 Thread Roshan Mathews

On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 4:57 PM, kenneth gonsalves
law...@thenilgiris.com wrote:
 congratulations - I am sure you went through each of these links to find
 out where they were on the site, in what context they were there,
 whether they were put there by the authors of the site and how visible
 they are to the viewers of the site.


Those were just some random stats I found after reading your original
FUD.  But then, I'm sure that when you were saying site and not
page, you went through all the sites to do your due diligence?

 And here's one more which you can add to your collection of useless
 statistics:

 site:microsoft.com linux322,000


Why is that useless?  According to the Linux Foundation [1], Microsoft
was one of the largest corporate contributors of Linux in 2011.

[1] 
http://arstechnica.com/business/2012/04/linux-kernel-in-2011-15-million-total-lines-of-code-and-microsoft-is-a-top-contributor/

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Re: [Ilugc] Ubuntu powered Laptops and Desktops

 Kennedy is inclined towards Fedora, and

I believe you are referring Kenneth. not JFK.

Pavithran is inclined towards Mint. What's the big deal! Buy Ubuntu
 oriented PC, uninstall Ubuntu, install Mint/Fedora whatever, use our


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Re: [Ilugc] What the topic for next weeks discussion ?

2012-07-02 Thread Balasubramaniam Natarajan


 You are manually quoting your reply in your emails, which can be
 confusing to a lot of people. Kindly check your email client settings,
 if you are using one and that is doing the quoting for you. Don't
 manually add a '' to the lines containing your reply.


No I did not add another Quote manually,  Not to pin point you Guru however
I believe there are lots of policing around :-( which is really confusing
than the problem itself :-(.

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Re: [Ilugc] why it is important to promote linux

2012-07-02 Thread Balachandran Sivakumar

Hi,

On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Roshan Mathews rmath...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 4:57 PM, kenneth gonsalves
 law...@thenilgiris.com wrote:

 Those were just some random stats I found after reading your original
 FUD.  But then, I'm sure that when you were saying site and not

  I don't think it is a FUD. Until recently, they never mentioned
the term Linux anywhere prominently. It was only recently that they
added it up somewhere, I guess it was their about page when people
started asking pointed questions about it. And I don't the the actual
number of occurrences of the term is of any use. As long as it is not
prominent(by prominent, I mean frequently visited pages, and the
ability to view it without having to do lots of scrolling), it is as
good as not being mentioned at all. Even then, I don't know how the
count across the whole site matters. Thanks


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Re: [Ilugc] why it is important to promote linux

On Mon, 2012-07-02 at 17:32 +0530, Roshan Mathews wrote:
congratulations - I am sure you went through each of these links to
find
out where they were on the site, in what context they were there,
whether they were put there by the authors of the site and how
visible
they are to the viewers of the site.

Those were just some random stats I found after reading your original
FUD. But then, I'm sure that when you were saying site and not
page, you went through all the sites to do your due diligence?

yes I did - spent some hours looking at the sites in question from the
end user perspective to get an overall impression on how much importance
is given to linux.

And here's one more which you can add to your collection of useless
statistics:

site:microsoft.com linux322,000

Why is that useless?

this one is better

site:microsoft.com how to remove linux 28,800 results

According to the Linux Foundation [1], Microsoft
was one of the largest corporate contributors of Linux in 2011.

[1]
http://arstechnica.com/business/2012/04/linux-kernel-in-2011-15-million-total-lines-of-code-and-microsoft-is-a-top-contributor/

I am sure you read all the comments on this article. And of course the
original pdf from the linux foundation.
quote
It is amusing to note that Linus Torvalds (1,113 total changes, 231
since 2.6.35) does not appear in either top-30
list of contributors.
/quote

wow - $bill contributes more to the kernel than Linus!

In general, it is a fallacy to equate number of lines of code
contributed to contribution as such. A lot of other factors need to be
considered - these factors are adequately explained in the pdf and in
the comments on the article itself. 1% of the total contributed code -
where the contribution is completely self serving ...

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 The context in this post is the huge financial and propaganda effort
 being put in by Microsoft to prevent the spread of linux (or call it
 open source or foss) - it is not the ongoing quarrel between various
 people on the assignment of credit for creating parts of the open source
 software ecosystem. If you want to have a thread on that subject feel
 free to start your own.

I apologize for trying to take the thread in a different direction, It 
was not intentional. When I read your interesting opinion on 
Ubuntu/Android and how Microsoft might have had a hand in them not using 
the term Linux, the first thing that popped into my head was Its a 
good thing (debatable, of course). And, I misread the subject of the 
email as why it is important to promote linux (brand).

Microsoft's efforts to prevent the spread of Linux has died down a bit 
in the last few years. Even Microsoft Azure cloud service now offers 
GNU/Linux as a choice of virtual machine,

http://www.infoworld.com/d/open-source-software/microsoft-run-linux-azure-195068

I am sure many of us have tried to promote GNU/Linux through word of 
mouth but that works only to a certain extent.


 I would say promote Linux as a product but not as a brand.

 whatever this means


What that means is, the word Linux is not important. Promote the 
features, softwares, and the freedom that GNU/Linux offers.

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Re: [Ilugc] Ubuntu powered Laptops and Desktops

2012-07-02 Thread Niam Computech

yes Kenneth. Sorry, typo.

On 07/02/2012 05:33 PM, ravi jaya wrote:
 Kennedy is inclined towards Fedora, and

 I believe you are referring Kenneth. not JFK.

 Pavithran is inclined towards Mint. What's the big deal! Buy Ubuntu
 oriented PC, uninstall Ubuntu, install Mint/Fedora whatever, use our




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Re: [Ilugc] why it is important to promote linux

2012-07-02 Thread Niam Computech

I always ask myself why people waste time discussing / fighting over 
useless talks rather than spending this time on something productive. 
Ubuntu, Redhat, Debian, Fedora, Mint, Gentoo are all based on Linux. 
Linux is their heart, lungs, legs, arms etc but they all have different 
shapes, sizes etc like human beings do.

Example- How many people like beer? Beer is beer right? Thunderbolt is 
beer, haywards is beer, tuborg is beer, kingfisher is beer. Now all 
these are beer brands, do they have to write on labels everywhere that 
they are beer. When someone goes to wineshop and asks for haywards, the 
guy on counter knows he is asking for beer. Linux and all other 
derivatives are same. Gnome, KDE, Gimp etc are all part GNU/Linux.

If we all have to contribute to FOSS or GNU/Linux then just pick what 
you like and start contributing towards it.

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Re: [Ilugc] 3 days FDP program at AMS college

2012-07-02 Thread Abdur Rahman

Hi... I am student of this college and i am regular member of ilugc...
I was planning for this from 3 years and my graduation is over and
failed to organize it... I am proud that ilugc has reached and
fullfilled my dream thank you every one who made it possible...

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[Ilugc] problem in accessing files using bluetooth connection

2012-07-02 Thread Dinesh Infotech

Hi,
  I'm using ubuntu 10.10. I paired my system with my mobile samsung
G-6712 via bluetooth connection.I can see the folders, and can send files
to the phone and pull files from the phone. But, when I access my Music
folder it gives me an error:

The folder contents could not be displayed.
Couldn't parse the incoming data

pls help me out.


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Re: [Ilugc] why it is important to promote linux

2012-07-02 Thread Arun Prakash

Hello,


 Example- How many people like beer? Beer is beer right? Thunderbolt is
 beer, haywards is beer, tuborg is beer, kingfisher is beer. Now all
 these are beer brands, do they have to write on labels everywhere that
 they are beer. When someone goes to wineshop and asks for haywards, the
 guy on counter knows he is asking for beer.


Its not the matter of beer, it is like Dalda and Xerox .
Most people donot know that it is Vanaspathi and Photocopy.

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[Ilugc] [Commercial] Python and Perl Workshop based training

2012-07-02 Thread Madeeswer V

Hi,

Corporate style workshop based training for Python Programming and Perl
Programming.

Python workshop is happening from July 3rd to July 6th

Content:
http://www.ignitemindz.com/index.php/python-programming-workshop-based-training-in-chennai-on-may-05-and-may-06http://www.ignitemindz.com/index.php/android-app-development-workshop-based-training-in-chennai-on-april-28-and-april-29

Perl  workshop is happening on July 7th and July 8th (16 hours)

Content:
http://www.ignitemindz.com/index.php/advanced-linux-shell-scripting-workshop-based-training-in-chennai-on-may-12th-and-may-13th


Registration: * regis...@ignitemindz.com
*Contact Number: 9092774587

Interested people, kindly contact me.


Venu:

IgniteMindZ
No 2/8, 2nd Floor, Saradambal St,
T.Nagar,
Chennai.


 Nearest Place: Vidyodaya School Valluvar Kottam



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Re: [Ilugc] Mail Server error in ubuntu 11.10

2012-07-02 Thread Balachandran Sivakumar

Hi,

On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Marikkannan Rajagopal
mail2marikkan...@gmail.com wrote:
 Telnet Communication reply:

 root@bloomingfeld:/var/www# telnet localhost smtp
 Trying 127.0.0.1...
 Connected to localhost.
 Escape character is '^]'.
 220 bloomingfeld.be ESMTP Postfix (Ubuntu)
 ehlo bloomingfeld.be
 250-bloomingfeld.be

  Do you have mydestination param set correctly in main.cf? Have
you set any recipient_restrictions ? Though it might not be directly
relevant, are you using SASL auth ? Thanks


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Re: [Ilugc] why it is important to promote linux

On Mon, 2012-07-02 at 18:35 +0530, 0 wrote:
  whatever this means
 
 
 What that means is, the word Linux is not important. Promote the 
 features, softwares, and the freedom that GNU/Linux offers. 

this is precisely what I am saying.
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