[Ilugc] [JOB] Need Part time Consulting Expert - Python

[Balakumar Muthu]

Hi All,

One of my friend's startup needs a part time consulting expert in Python,
Flask, angular.js, aws, mongo-redis/dynamo-db or datastore. Interested
persons could reach me at b...@coworkable.com.

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[Ilugc] Call for speakers - April month meet

[Shrinivasan T]

Friends.

We have our april month meet on 13.4.2013

If you are interested in giving any talk/demo

reply here or to me offlist with the following details.

Topic
Description
Duration
About speaker
links to read.

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Re: [Ilugc] Call for speakers - April month meet

[Balasubramaniam Natarajan]

Is it possible that this be conducted online using *something like* webex
?  In that case I guess more people would log in from their home and we
will have greater audience.


On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 7:03 AM, Shrinivasan T wrote:

> Friends.
>
> We have our april month meet on 13.4.2013
>
> If you are interested in giving any talk/demo
>
> reply here or to me offlist with the following details.
>
> Topic
> Description
> Duration
> About speaker
> links to read.
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> Regards,
> T.Shrinivasan
>
>
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Re: [Ilugc] Call for speakers - April month meet

[Balasubramaniam Natarajan]

On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Balasubramaniam Natarajan <
bala150...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Is it possible that this be conducted online using *something like* webex
> ?  In that case I guess more people would log in from their home and we
> will have greater audience.
>
>
>
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Re: [Ilugc] Call for speakers - April month meet

[Thyagarajan தியாகராஜன்]

Hi all,

> Is it possible that this be conducted online using *something like* webex

> > ?  In that case I guess more people would log in from their home and we
> > will have greater audience.
>

This kind of suggestions were raised in the past.
The joy of ilugc meetings are lectures, personal interactions and canteen.
IMPO, 'Each one catch one'  ( I mean bringing the near and dear ones to
ilugc meeting) will be good for the purpose of meeting  :).

regards,

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Re: [Ilugc] Call for speakers - April month meet

[Thyagarajan தியாகராஜன்]

Hi Shrini,Ramadoss & Karthikeyan,

Note: I am not hijacking this thread.

Can we have "Sorkandu" team formation as one of the item for the ilugc
meeting.
Like figuring out the deliverables and timelines for the project.
Training part for the members on RoR.

regards,

Thyagarajan Shanmugham.



On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 7:20 PM, Thyagarajan தியாகராஜன் <
citizenof...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
>
> > Is it possible that this be conducted online using *something like* webex
>
>>  > ?  In that case I guess more people would log in from their home and we
>> > will have greater audience.
>>
>
> This kind of suggestions were raised in the past.
> The joy of ilugc meetings are lectures, personal interactions and canteen.
> IMPO, 'Each one catch one'  ( I mean bringing the near and dear ones to
> ilugc meeting) will be good for the purpose of meeting  :).
>
> regards,
>
> Thyagarajan Shanmugham.
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Re: [Ilugc] Call for speakers - April month meet

[Karthikeyan A.K]

On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 7:30 PM, Thyagarajan தியாகராஜன் <
citizenof...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Shrini,Ramadoss & Karthikeyan,
>
> Note: I am not hijacking this thread.
>
> Can we have "Sorkandu" team formation as one of the item for the ilugc
> meeting.
> Like figuring out the deliverables and timelines for the project.
> Training part for the members on RoR.
>
> regards,
>
> Thyagarajan Shanmugham.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 7:20 PM, Thyagarajan தியாகராஜன் <
> citizenof...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
Hello People,

Yes, will speak about Sorkandu project currently hosted here
https://github.com/mindaslab/tamil_corpus

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[Ilugc] Why India Should Use Open-Source Software

[Ganesha Computes]

Hello,

I have compiled an outline, advocating the use of Open-Source Software.
This list could be used by anyone wishing to make a case for Open-Source
Software.
You might not agree with all of it, but I would like to hear your views.

Please help me improve this further:

http://ownlifeful.blogspot.com/2013/04/india-and-open-source-software.html

Thanks,

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Re: [Ilugc] Why India Should Use Open-Source Software

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 10:14 PM, Ganesha Computes
 wrote:
> I have compiled an outline, advocating the use of Open-Source Software.
> This list could be used by anyone wishing to make a case for Open-Source
> Software.
> You might not agree with all of it, but I would like to hear your views.
>
> Please help me improve this further:
>
> http://ownlifeful.blogspot.com/2013/04/india-and-open-source-software.html

You write

"How should India use Open-Source Software?


1. Create a national Operating System distribution derived from Ubuntu Linux.

2. Mandate the use of the national distribution for all branches of
government, and in public education.

3. Teach only non-proprietary programming languages in the Computer
Science curriculum."

We had a discussion on #1 which didn't see much participation from
you. For the rest, you may also want to read


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Re: [Ilugc] Free Linux distros

[A. Mani]

On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 7:19 PM, ashwin kesavan  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I recently crossed upon a old article in gnu.org. RMS recommends the
> following distros in the webpage http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-
> distros.html .
> BLAG
> Dragora
> Dynebolic
> gNewSense
> Musix GNU+Linux
> Parabola
> Trisquel
> Ututo
>
> Has anyone used them ? How usable is it ?
>


They will work fine.
You can also install freedora kernel in fedora.

The differences will crop up in some hardware that requires blobs for
enhanced functionality.

Check your use of blobs first.


Best

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Re: [Ilugc] Why India Should Use Open-Source Software

[Ganesha Computes]

sankarshan, thanks for the link!

While creating a national Linux distribution is an expensive and complex
task, IMHO the advantages outweigh the disadvantages.
It's hard, not impossible!

Cheers,

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Re: [Ilugc] Why India Should Use Open-Source Software

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 10:33 PM, Ganesha Computes
 wrote:
> While creating a national Linux distribution is an expensive and complex
> task, IMHO the advantages outweigh the disadvantages.
> It's hard, not impossible!

Creating a distribution/spin/derivative is remarkably easy. If you
conclude as you did, then I have totally failed in my explanation. I'd
like to understand more as to why you think creating a distribution is
imperative when contrasted to creating policies, frameworks and, being
able to provide incentive for adoption of those.


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Re: [Ilugc] Why India Should Use Open-Source Software

[Joerg Simon]

On 08.04.2013 19:06, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 10:33 PM, Ganesha Computes
>  wrote:
>> While creating a national Linux distribution is an expensive and complex
>> task, IMHO the advantages outweigh the disadvantages.
>> It's hard, not impossible!
> 
> Creating a distribution/spin/derivative is remarkably easy. If you
> conclude as you did, then I have totally failed in my explanation. I'd
> like to understand more as to why you think creating a distribution is
> imperative when contrasted to creating policies, frameworks and, being
> able to provide incentive for adoption of those.

+1 - exactly, because it is not expensive and because it is easy and
smart to fork from existing work - Open Source is the first choice! Do
not invent the wheel twice! Of course besides all the other aspects like
transparency, freedom and security.

As example, i maintain the OSSTMM Lab as a Fork from the Fedora Security
Lab completely alone and the Fedora Security Lab as a official Fedora
Spin is maintained by Fabian Affolter and me - in part-time work, also
not much efforts - right? [1]

I am moving and watching around in indias non-profit and open source
eco-system since a while, i see that there is a trend in missing the
benefits of Free and Open Standards and Open Source Software by blowing
up the projects with big tamtam, management-overhead, building board of
directors (who just do nothing, not even the lobbying the are hired for
;)) and by building huge marketing around it, before the product itself
is near a state to become attributable etc. etc.

In the Open Source Security Eco System in Europe there are even
scammer-warnings about some india non-profits who make nice
marketing-face to just wash their black-money or to receive fundings
from the government and from entities outside of India. In no way i
imply this is your intention!!! But ganeshacomputes, if you really want
to bring your idea to fly, build a prototype, show it to the people,
teach them, have some success stories. And if it is really good - your
sponsor will show up!

peace and long life

Joerg

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Re: [Ilugc] Why India Should Use Open-Source Software

[Joerg Simon]

On 08.04.2013 19:46, Joerg Simon wrote:
> is near a state to become attributable etc. etc.

s/attributable/distributable/

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[Ilugc] Call for speakers - April month meet

[Alagunambi Welkin]

> Can we have "Sorkandu" team formation as one of the item for the ilugc
meeting. Like figuring out the deliverables and timelines for the project.
Training part for the members on RoR.

Would be a great idea, and especially your contribution :), ill
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Re: [Ilugc] Why India Should Use Open-Source Software

[Karthikeyan A.K]

http://bosslinux.in/

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Re: [Ilugc] Call for speakers - April month meet

[Karthikeyan A.K]

On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 12:42 AM, Alagunambi Welkin <
alagunambiwel...@fsftn.org> wrote:

> > Can we have "Sorkandu" team formation as one of the item for the ilugc
> meeting. Like figuring out the deliverables and timelines for the project.
> Training part for the members on RoR.
>
> Would be a great idea, and especially your contribution :), ill
> announce it to the interested people.
>
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Re: [Ilugc] where we use input redirection?

[Mohan R]

On Sun, 2013-04-07 at 21:15 -0700, Ganesha Computes wrote:
> Mohan R,
> 
> What's the difference between?

You question itself have answer, you are passing the file as "argument",

$ cat testfile.txt

and you are passing the file as "standard input",

$ cat < testfile.txt

Its all depends on how the program (in this case 'cat') has been
written. You can write your program to get input file from argument as
well as get input file from stdin.

Here is a simple example:

Mycat.bash:

#!/bin/bash
test "${#}" -le "0" && INPUTDATA=$(cat) || INPUTDATA=$(cat "${1}")
echo "${INPUTDATA}"


$ chmod 755 ./Mycat.bash
$ cat > testfile.txt
hello world
$ Mycat.bash testfile.txt
hello world
$ Mycat.bash < testfile.txt
hello world
$ 

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[Ilugc] [OT] Suggestion

[jaya kumar]

hai to all

Some people dont have time to attend Ilugc meetings, and they dont have
time. For them atleast why cant we use to share Webex Recording sessions .
Those who are active in ILUGC can please record their sessions through
webex and share their webex recordings to lug members ...


Is it my idea worthable ?


Comments & Critiicisms are welcome ?



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Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Suggestion

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 7:04 AM, jaya kumar  wrote:
> Some people dont have time to attend Ilugc meetings, and they dont have
> time. For them atleast why cant we use to share Webex Recording sessions .
> Those who are active in ILUGC can please record their sessions through
> webex and share their webex recordings to lug members ...

G+ Hangouts on air (on YouTube!) are another option.


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Re: [Ilugc] Why India Should Use Open-Source Software

[A. Mani]

On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 10:14 PM, Ganesha Computes
 wrote:
> I have compiled an outline, advocating the use of Open-Source Software.
> This list could be used by anyone wishing to make a case for Open-Source
> Software.
> You might not agree with all of it, but I would like to hear your views.
>
> Please help me improve this further:
>
> http://ownlifeful.blogspot.com/2013/04/india-and-open-source-software.html

I would expect any reasonable write up to work out the details and
relate to existing material.

See  http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.html

With only OSS the entire ecosystem will collapse under the existing
market order.


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Re: [Ilugc] Why India Should Use Open-Source Software

[Ashwin Dixit]

Why create a national Linux distribution?
Why not just adopt a set of standards and loose guidelines, and create
incentives for OSS adoption?
Why not let the best of breed solution emerge bottom-up, rather than be
forced top-down?
Why not choose FreeBSD for that matter?

1. Fragmented package managers: There are too many different package
managers and package formats. e.g., rpm and pkg
Choosing one distribution eliminates that confusion.

2. Application compatibility: We want to catalyze the application
ecosystem. We want applications to run everywhere without hassle.
The national distribution will help that goal.

3. Domestic security audit: The whole point of creating the national distro
is so that Indian programmers can vet the Ubuntu source-code for
vulnerabilities.
It's not that we don't trust the international community. Pragmatically
speaking, domestic due diligence is necessary with any technologies we
adopt.

4. Scope for future internationalization of applications. I want to see
applications internationalized and reused in China, and India, and
elsewhere.
If we're all using Ubuntu, and following the same I18N practices, this goal
is achievable.

5. Reduce government waste:  The government, trying to create indirect
incentives for adoption of OSS will make a bureaucratic mess of things.
Having an unambiguous standard, codified in the form of the national
distribution, may be the more efficient way.

Hence, I conclude: "One distribution to bind them all!"
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Re: [Ilugc] Why India Should Use Open-Source Software

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 8:30 AM, Ashwin Dixit  wrote:

> Why not choose FreeBSD for that matter?

You can. As long as you can get application vendors to certify against
FreeBSD with the release cycle cadence.

> 1. Fragmented package managers: There are too many different package
> managers and package formats. e.g., rpm and pkg
> Choosing one distribution eliminates that confusion.

Or, it locks you down to a choice you made attempting to solve the
problems in *now* timespace.

> 2. Application compatibility: We want to catalyze the application
> ecosystem. We want applications to run everywhere without hassle.
> The national distribution will help that goal.

Again, it will not. Application vendors want to limit the lines of
distributions they certify against. Certification is expensive,
time-consuming. Adding a new distribution/line-item is frowned upon.

Both large and small ISVs provide archives, debs and rpms of the
package. Some bundle in their own installer.

> 3. Domestic security audit: The whole point of creating the national distro
> is so that Indian programmers can vet the Ubuntu source-code for
> vulnerabilities.
> It's not that we don't trust the international community. Pragmatically
> speaking, domestic due diligence is necessary with any technologies we
> adopt.

To undertake a domestic security audit you will first require a
domestic security guide. Once you have that guide - it is a matter of
interest for distributions to comply with it.

> 4. Scope for future internationalization of applications. I want to see
> applications internationalized and reused in China, and India, and
> elsewhere.
> If we're all using Ubuntu, and following the same I18N practices, this goal
> is achievable.

i18n and l10n works best when it is upstream. If you create a silo,
what you get is what happened with BOSSLinux - a very fine, well
funded private garden of contributions.

> 5. Reduce government waste:  The government, trying to create indirect
> incentives for adoption of OSS will make a bureaucratic mess of things.
> Having an unambiguous standard, codified in the form of the national
> distribution, may be the more efficient way.

A standard/guide/policy is not equivalent to a national distribution.

> Hence, I conclude: "One distribution to bind them all!"

Hmm...


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Re: [Ilugc] Why India Should Use Open-Source Software

[Ashwin Dixit]

China has a national distro, and it's making me envious for India.
If they can do it, why can't we?
Granted, China is more homogenous than India.
They value consensus in China. We value diversity in India.
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[Ilugc] [OT] Suggestion

[Alagunambi Welkin]

Not a Free Software, it is just a Freeware

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Re: [Ilugc] Why India Should Use Open-Source Software

[Srinivasan Sundararajan]

> Hence, I conclude: "One distribution to bind them all!"
One distribution to cater to every need might turn out to be a mega
monolith -- just as the  proprietary group tend to do: even if you want
only two tasks to be done, they are bundled with 200 other things. this
leads to increase in cost, up/run time, etc.

of course, one mega repository of the distribution with structured
interfaces can go a great way. the issues there will be how to comfortably
download, customise and bundle packages for the specific user group. an
average user cannot do this, and this might be an opportunity for
intermediate/expert FOSS members to offers their services. such
intermediaries can take it from the global repositories!

srinivasan.
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Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Suggestion

[Karthikeyan A.K]

Yes 100%. Just use some cheap camera to record it and put it on youtube or
something.


On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 7:04 AM, jaya kumar wrote:

> hai to all
>
> Some people dont have time to attend Ilugc meetings, and they dont have
> time. For them atleast why cant we use to share Webex Recording sessions .
> Those who are active in ILUGC can please record their sessions through
> webex and share their webex recordings to lug members ...
>
>
> Is it my idea worthable ?
>
>
> Comments & Critiicisms are welcome ?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
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Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Suggestion

[Raman.P]

--- On Tue, 9/4/13, Karthikeyan A.K  wrote:

> Yes 100%. Just use some cheap camera
> to record it and put it on youtube or
> something.

Problem is not with camera or technology or idea. Who will do it is the 
question. Anyone who has time and necessary knowhow is welcome to do it.

As I repeatedly emphasis 'physical volunteer' is what is required. We have too 
many ideas/suggestions/plans/roadmap/milestones/todo/goals ... but too little 
volunteers.

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Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Suggestion

[Raman.P]

--- On Tue, 9/4/13, Karthikeyan A.K  wrote:

> Yes 100%. Just use some cheap camera
> to record it and put it on youtube or
> something.

Problem is not with camera or technology or idea. Who will do it is the 
question. Anyone who has time and necessary knowhow is welcome to do it.

As I repeatedly emphasis 'physical volunteer' is what is required. We have too 
many ideas/suggestions/plans/roadmap/milestones/todo/goals ... but too little 
volunteers.

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[Ilugc] [JOBS] Senior poistion

[Asokan Pichai]

An elearning organization is building a product using FOSS.

They are looking for an `architect'. Please contact me off-list if you
think you would like to discuss your profile.

Some of the skills needed:

Experience in FOSS development
Knowledge of sufficient range oof technologies and toolchains -- "Everying
you need can be done using {Django|RoR|Lisp}" is not likely to resonate
with them.
Ability to relate client requirements at a design and architecture level
Cloud experience
Good communication and presentation skills
Preferably product experience

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[Ilugc] Fwd: Enrolling as speaker for April month meet - FOSS philosophy & goals

[Shrinivasan T]

We got another confirmed talk.

-- Forwarded message --
From: Kumaravel Sambandam 
Date: Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 11:19 PM
Subject: Enrolling as speaker for April month meet - FOSS philosophy & goals
To: tshriniva...@gmail.com


Hi Shrinivasan,

I am very interesting to speak about "FOSS Philosophy & goals".

Topic - FOSS philosophy & goals
Description - Understand the power of FOSS and contribute to FOSS
Duration - 30 mins.
About speaker - Kumaravel. Working as Technical Lead at Hcl Technologies,
chennai.

links to read -
http://freeopensourcesoftware.org/index.php?title=FOSS_Philosophy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_and_open-source_software


Thanks & Regards,

S.Kumaravel,

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[Ilugc] [OT] Google Giving Perfect Results ?

[jaya kumar]

Hai to all


Suppose a candidate searching the same key word in different Laptops in the
same area under the same network in same room . why it giving different
results ?

why there is different results for the same keyword ?  Is it worth to a
particular search for a common man ?

why it shows different results... ?

Is it Semantic Web will solve this Resolve ?

Comments & Criticizims are welcome ...!

Please don't suggest * DUCKDUCKGO*  will solve's the Problem  :)

Thanks

Kumar
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Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Google Giving Perfect Results ?

[Karthikeyan A.K]

Why not try yacy?


On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 12:03 PM, jaya kumar wrote:

> Hai to all
>
>
> Suppose a candidate searching the same key word in different Laptops in the
> same area under the same network in same room . why it giving different
> results ?
>
> why there is different results for the same keyword ?  Is it worth to a
> particular search for a common man ?
>
> why it shows different results... ?
>
> Is it Semantic Web will solve this Resolve ?
>
> Comments & Criticizims are welcome ...!
>
> Please don't suggest * DUCKDUCKGO*  will solve's the Problem  :)
>
> Thanks
>
> Kumar
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Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Google Giving Perfect Results ?

[AJIT KUMAR]

Hi ,

As Google search result is based on Google PageRank() algorithm, which have
many parameter and google is adding per year basis.
so result vary based on the input parameter.
In your case :considerable parameters are
1. keyword (same)
2. network, internet etc.( same)
3. browsing History of browser (different for different person)
   Google store without login browser history for (180days) mapped with
browsers
  if you are logged in then google will store your browsing history for
always.

so search result varies due to browsing history parameter.


Hope it will be useful for better understanding google it.
and let me know the your search output.





On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 12:03 PM, jaya kumar wrote:

> Hai to all
>
>
> Suppose a candidate searching the same key word in different Laptops in the
> same area under the same network in same room . why it giving different
> results ?
>
> why there is different results for the same keyword ?  Is it worth to a
> particular search for a common man ?
>
> why it shows different results... ?
>
> Is it Semantic Web will solve this Resolve ?
>
> Comments & Criticizims are welcome ...!
>
> Please don't suggest * DUCKDUCKGO*  will solve's the Problem  :)
>
> Thanks
>
> Kumar
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> http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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