[Ilugc] [job]Fwd: Walk-in interview on 04/20/2013 for Java, QE, iOS and Android positions

2013-04-15 Thread Biju Balakrishnan
Hi All,

We have a Walk-in interview scheduled for next Saturday (04/20/2013) for
the Java, QE, iOS and Android positions at our TIDEL Park office.

Job Descriptions of all the positions are provided below:

http://jobs.infoarmy.com/apply/

We will be running an Ad in the Wednesday's Hindu Opportunities. Sivashree
will be sending the Ad copy one it is finalized. We will send additional
details on logistics once they are finalized.

If you know of any potential candidate(s) please refer this to them and ask
them to come for the Walk in interview as this is a great opportunity to
join our amazing team.
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Re: [Ilugc] Linux installation for FREE ! !

2013-04-15 Thread Ganesh Hariharan
Raghu,

Hope you read my SMS, PXE is done...

you can still try in fedora, as I have done on Ubuntu... we can explore the
next ideas..

cya
GHH


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 Hi All,

 I am a Linux Admin working in CollabNet Software Pvt Ltd. I am
 interested in doing linux installations and configurations. Please
 contact me if any help needed.


 My contact numbers: 8056922184, 8608959003


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Re: [Ilugc] Linux installation for FREE ! !

2013-04-15 Thread Ganesh Hariharan
Please IGNORE the earlier mail, Apologies
Regards


On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 4:46 PM, Ganesh Hariharan ghariha...@gmail.comwrote:

 Raghu,

 Hope you read my SMS, PXE is done...

 you can still try in fedora, as I have done on Ubuntu... we can explore
 the next ideas..

 cya
 GHH


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 Hi All,

 I am a Linux Admin working in CollabNet Software Pvt Ltd. I am
 interested in doing linux installations and configurations. Please
 contact me if any help needed.


 My contact numbers: 8056922184, 8608959003


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[Ilugc] Linux command help

2013-04-15 Thread Kumar
Hello All,

I have query of downloading in local machine. I used SSH tool for this.

1. I need to ZIP all Files and Folder from Live server.
2. Download the ZIP files from to Local machine ( Window ).

For 1 : I am using tar -czvf tester.tgz testing/
For 2 : *I am looking for your help *

Looking forward to hear from you
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Re: [Ilugc] Linux command help

2013-04-15 Thread Girish Venkatachalam
Okay, tar zcpf tester.tgz testing

On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Kumar send4ku...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello All,

 I have query of downloading in local machine. I used SSH tool for this.

 1. I need to ZIP all Files and Folder from Live server.
 2. Download the ZIP files from to Local machine ( Window ).

 For 1 : I am using tar -czvf tester.tgz testing/
 For 2 : *I am looking for your help *

 Looking forward to hear from you
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Re: [Ilugc] Linux command help

2013-04-15 Thread Kumar
Will it download in my localmachine from Live Server ?

On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 7:59 PM, Girish Venkatachalam 
girishvenkatacha...@gmail.com wrote:

 Okay, tar zcpf tester.tgz testing

 On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Kumar send4ku...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hello All,
 
  I have query of downloading in local machine. I used SSH tool for this.
 
  1. I need to ZIP all Files and Folder from Live server.
  2. Download the ZIP files from to Local machine ( Window ).
 
  For 1 : I am using tar -czvf tester.tgz testing/
  For 2 : *I am looking for your help *
 
  Looking forward to hear from you
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  With Regards,
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Re: [Ilugc] Linux command help

2013-04-15 Thread RM
On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Kumar send4ku...@gmail.com wrote:
 2. Download the ZIP files from to Local machine ( Window ).

A. You have booted into a live CD and now want to save some files you
created to your harddisk?  See if the harddrive is already mounted,
there should be a file explorer of some kind, if you can write to
that, it is done.

or, is it that

B. Live Server is some kind of Linux box you can ssh into, and you
want to copy files into a local windows box?  In that case, you can
use SCP, there are free tools for Windows to do that - WinSCP or pscp.

or, is it something else?

C. rephrase your question, so that someone can help you.

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Re: [Ilugc] Linux command help

2013-04-15 Thread Kumar
1. Local machine in Windows
2. Live server in Linux

I have to download all project files to local machine.
I used tar -czvf tester.tgz testing/ so I get testing project in TGZ format.


I need a* command in Linux to download ZIP or **TGZ format file in local
machine. *



On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 8:12 PM, RM rmath...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Kumar send4ku...@gmail.com wrote:
  2. Download the ZIP files from to Local machine ( Window ).

 A. You have booted into a live CD and now want to save some files you
 created to your harddisk?  See if the harddrive is already mounted,
 there should be a file explorer of some kind, if you can write to
 that, it is done.

 or, is it that

 B. Live Server is some kind of Linux box you can ssh into, and you
 want to copy files into a local windows box?  In that case, you can
 use SCP, there are free tools for Windows to do that - WinSCP or pscp.

 or, is it something else?

 C. rephrase your question, so that someone can help you.

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Re: [Ilugc] Linux command help

2013-04-15 Thread Kumar
On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 8:25 PM, Kumar send4ku...@gmail.com wrote:

 1. Local machine in Windows
 2. Live server in Linux

 I have to download all project files to local machine.
 I used tar -czvf tester.tgz testing/ so I get testing project in TGZ
 format.

 I need a* command in Linux to download ZIP or **TGZ format file in local
 machine ( D:/test/ ) *



 On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 8:12 PM, RM rmath...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Kumar send4ku...@gmail.com wrote:
  2. Download the ZIP files from to Local machine ( Window ).

 A. You have booted into a live CD and now want to save some files you
 created to your harddisk?  See if the harddrive is already mounted,
 there should be a file explorer of some kind, if you can write to
 that, it is done.

 or, is it that

 B. Live Server is some kind of Linux box you can ssh into, and you
 want to copy files into a local windows box?  In that case, you can
 use SCP, there are free tools for Windows to do that - WinSCP or pscp.

 or, is it something else?

 C. rephrase your question, so that someone can help you.

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Re: [Ilugc] Linux command help

2013-04-15 Thread RM
On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 8:25 PM, Kumar send4ku...@gmail.com wrote:
 I need a* command in Linux to download ZIP or **TGZ format file in local
 machine. *


You want to write to a local Windows machine, from a Linux server?  I
don't know how.  But if you can ssh from Windows into this server, you
can initiate a copy (via pscp/WinSCP) from the Windows side.

Can you ping the Windows machine from the Linux side?  If so, maybe
somebody else can help you do specifically what you want.

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Re: [Ilugc] Linux command help

2013-04-15 Thread Kumar
Shall I use some thing like this

scp -r username of remote machine:remote location location of local
directory

or

wget -O D:/test/testinlocal.tgz tester.tgz

On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 8:53 PM, RM rmath...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 8:25 PM, Kumar send4ku...@gmail.com wrote:
  I need a* command in Linux to download ZIP or **TGZ format file in local
  machine. *
 

 You want to write to a local Windows machine, from a Linux server?  I
 don't know how.  But if you can ssh from Windows into this server, you
 can initiate a copy (via pscp/WinSCP) from the Windows side.

 Can you ping the Windows machine from the Linux side?  If so, maybe
 somebody else can help you do specifically what you want.

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[Ilugc] Legal issues with selling Open Source software

2013-04-15 Thread Mayan Choudhary
Hello Everybody

I hope this is the correct forum for this discussion. If not please point
me to the correct ilist and ignore this email.

I have been doing some reading on legal issues in selling open source OS (
Fedora / Ubuntu ). However I still have some questions unanswered. I tried
contacting both Canonical and RedHat but did not get any response from them
. Below are some of my queries which hopefully I might be able to find
answers to on this ilist :

* Can I sell ubuntu/fedora as it is on my website. I would not directly be
selling the OS but only the services around it . However can I have the OS
uploaded on my website ? Also is it illegal to say that Our company XYZ
provides support for Ubuntu/Fedora ?

* Can I use their logos on my website without Canonical/RedHat's consent ?

* In order to use Ubuntu/Fedora do I have to get rid of all the
Ubuntu/Fedora logos from the ISO and then upload it on the website ? (
There are lot of apps to create a ubuntu based distro however I was
wondering if there is one which can let us get rid of only the Logos/Splash
Screen. The ones we see during installation and during boot and all the
other that are there on the system ) .

* Any other trademark violation that I should be looking at ?

* Any more questions that I should be asking ?


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Re: [Ilugc] Linux command help

2013-04-15 Thread vikas 0380
You can try this

scp username@hostname:/path/to/remote/file /path/to/local/file



On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 9:00 PM, Kumar send4ku...@gmail.com wrote:

 Shall I use some thing like this

 scp -r username of remote machine:remote location location of local
 directory

 or

 wget -O D:/test/testinlocal.tgz tester.tgz

 On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 8:53 PM, RM rmath...@gmail.com wrote:

  On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 8:25 PM, Kumar send4ku...@gmail.com wrote:
   I need a* command in Linux to download ZIP or **TGZ format file in
 local
   machine. *
  
 
  You want to write to a local Windows machine, from a Linux server?  I
  don't know how.  But if you can ssh from Windows into this server, you
  can initiate a copy (via pscp/WinSCP) from the Windows side.
 
  Can you ping the Windows machine from the Linux side?  If so, maybe
  somebody else can help you do specifically what you want.
 
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Re: [Ilugc] Microsoft Office 365 for Education made mandatory for approved institutions by AICTE

2013-04-15 Thread ISHAN BHAGAWATI
hello everyone, myself ishan i am one of the devloper of 'SuperX' a 
linux based operating system which is under the company viz libresoft 
which is formed by few young guys(basically student) from north-east 
india,Our main goal is to promote FOSS adoption in north-east india. We 
recently came to know about this Microsoft Office 365 for Education 
made mandatory for approved institutions by AICTE. and we don't have 
the sufficient resource to go for a PIL or such like steps. At present 
we are planning to throw a RTI against AICTE, we would be glad if you 
could help us in standing against this vendor locking strategy of AICTE. 
I think together we will able to protest strongly against this approval 
of AICTE. Looking forward for your replies


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Re: [Ilugc] Microsoft Office 365 for Education made mandatory for approved institutions by AICTE

2013-04-15 Thread I . bhagawati
hello everyone, myself ishan i am one of the devloper of 'SuperX' a linux 
based operating system which is under the company viz libresoft which is 
formed by few young guys(basically student) from north-east india,Our main 
goal is to promote FOSS adoption in north-east india. We recently came to 
know about this Microsoft Office 365 for Education made mandatory for 
approved institutions by AICTE. and we don't have the sufficient resource to 
go for a PIL or such like steps. At present we are planning to throw a RTI 
against AICTE, we would be glad if you could help us in standing against this 
vendor locking strategy of AICTE. I think together we will able to protest 
strongly against this approval of AICTE. Looking forward for your replies  



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Re: [Ilugc] Linux command help

2013-04-15 Thread Ashwin Dixit
Do you have to necessarily push from Linux? Can't you pull from Windows?
It is unlikely that a typical Windows box is running sshd.
I suggest you install an ssh client on Windows and download the desired
file.

Best wishes,

- Ashwin.

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Re: [Ilugc] Linux command help

2013-04-15 Thread Bharathi Subramanian
Hi, You can try to mount the windoz share using smbmount in Linux and copy
the files into it.
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[Ilugc] some more blurb on UNIX and Linux

2013-04-15 Thread Girish Venkatachalam
This is mostly academic meaning it is useless.

It is only for conversational purposes or to win an argument.

But rarely you will get a chance to apply this knowledge too.

So to repeat UNIX is not dead.

UNIX is not an OS. It is an idea, a philosophy, a way of thinking and
a bunch of implementations,
 toolsets, shell, kernel and so on.

Linux is different from UNIX but Linux is not a form of UNIX. It was
derived from UNIX.

Today also UNIX is live and kicking in several forms though it is not
popular amongst the
 LUG community because most people in LUG are beginners. People who only know
 popular software.

So UNIX is also used in several places both in the form of appliances,
network devices, NAS
 boxes and so on.

FreeBSD is a common derivative of UNIX.

In the case of Linux, there is the concept of a separate kernel, a
separate userland, GNU toolsets,
 distributions and so on.

RPM, Deb packages etc. are a strictly Linux thing.

In the case of UNIX there is no idea of a kernel being pluggable into
a userland.

If you say UNIX it means kernel,userland packaged together as the base
system. Usually
 this also has a mail server, web server, ftp server, make, gcc,sh,ksh
and so on.


Only in the case of Linux you can separate the kernel or OS drivers
and hardware management from the shell and
 rest of userland which is built with GNU tools.

And a distribution has the responsibility of putting these two
together to make a meaningful OS.

In the case of UNIX no such need exists.

A UNIX OS is completely usable.

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[Ilugc] Off-topic: Bitcoin's Potential for Social Change

2013-04-15 Thread Ashwin Dixit
Greetings fellow-Linuxers,

I have a vision to share with you.
Whether you call it a utopia, or a dystopia, I leave up to you.

There is great power in people's numbers.
I feel that a critical mass is gathering behind FOSS and BitCoin.
I feel that these Davids can potentially overthrow Goliaths.

Please read my latest blog article and share your opinion:
http://ownlifeful.blogspot.com/2013/04/bitcoins-potential-for-social-change.html

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Re: [Ilugc] some more blurb on UNIX and Linux

2013-04-15 Thread Sundaram KR


Linux is different from UNIX but Linux is not a form of UNIX. It was derived 
from UNIX. 




What? I mean, what?? When you write something or say something, it is supposed 
to explain your views and thoughts. When a person reads the above 2 sentences, 
how are they supposed to interpret what you said? You are saying UNIX is an OS, 
and Linux is just a kernel.How can Linux be derived from Unix? 




it is not popular amongst the LUG community because most people in LUG are 
beginners. People who only know popular software. 





You have successfully insulted many on this list, and yourself as well, with a 
single statement. Congratulations! Maybe you post here to get responses, rather 
than to enlighten. 




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Re: [Ilugc] Off-topic: Bitcoin's Potential for Social Change

2013-04-15 Thread Karthikeyan A.K
I strongly feel its going to be the future.


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Re: [Ilugc] Microsoft Office 365 for Education made mandatory for approved institutions by AICTE

2013-04-15 Thread A. Mani
On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Arun Khan knu...@gmail.com wrote:
 The words in reference are wrecking havoc


ok, 'rectifying'.

The problem is small groups with vested interests in and outside AICTE
have too much power. They regard it as their private property.


Best

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Re: [Ilugc] Off-topic: Bitcoin's Potential for Social Change

2013-04-15 Thread Ashwin Dixit
Karthikeyan, thanks for your encouragement.

I imagine this scenario --

Rickshaw pullers accept BTC through their smartphones and avoid paying
taxes.

Smartphone running Linux, Bit Wallet's Open Source Clone, and NFC.
The revolution is waiting to happen.

Don't like your government? Don't yell. Stop paying them.
You can still make a living. There are others like you.
Learn the secret handshake, and change the world.
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Re: [Ilugc] Linux command help

2013-04-15 Thread Kumar
Hello All,

Thank you for your response. Here I concluded as

Windows based work station
wont be able to issue scp directly on the server is your windows computer
cant accept that type of command. We need to splitting the files into 2-3
separate tar files, which are only ~ 2-3GB in size then download them one
by one.

linux based workstation
We can use scp [options] username1@source_host:directory1/filename1
username2@destination_host:directory2/filename2



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 Hi, You can try to mount the windoz share using smbmount in Linux and copy
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Re: [Ilugc] Off-topic: Bitcoin's Potential for Social Change

2013-04-15 Thread Karthikeyan A.K
Don't like your government?

I like any uncorrupted government.

Rickshaw pullers and many big corporations hide a lot from taxes.


On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 8:31 AM, Ashwin Dixit ganeshacompu...@gmail.comwrote:

 Karthikeyan, thanks for your encouragement.

 I imagine this scenario --

 Rickshaw pullers accept BTC through their smartphones and avoid paying
 taxes.

 Smartphone running Linux, Bit Wallet's Open Source Clone, and NFC.
 The revolution is waiting to happen.

 Don't like your government? Don't yell. Stop paying them.
 You can still make a living. There are others like you.
 Learn the secret handshake, and change the world.
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Re: [Ilugc] Off-topic: Bitcoin's Potential for Social Change

2013-04-15 Thread Ashwin Dixit
Question is, who pays taxes and keeps government alive? Is government a
convenient fiction that has run its course?
In my opinion, it will become possible for all aspects of human nature to
emerge, without government.
Is that possible, practical, desirable?
Unregulated free trade. Anything you can imagine.
The darkest things, and the best aspects of human nature, set free.
Corruption, purity, everything.
This is not realistic, of course. We already live in a police state, and
have no privacy.
How can the government possibly allow private P2P transactions?
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[Ilugc] [0T] Suggestion: One of My friend facing a problem how linux solve this ?

2013-04-15 Thread jaya kumar
Hai to all

One of my friend is creating a bundle in OSM (Order Service Management)

the requirement is

he need to create a   50 Service Bundles

  in that each bundle  10 sales order id ... .For every sales order id
there is an unique order id

for the first one  acts as Parent and the rest of the Sales order id acts
as child.. the rest of the sales order id taking parent id

Manually he created 1 bundle

we need any technology or whatever .. it may .. be  the rquirement is need
to be done automated

suppose if the requirement comes for 100 or 250 Bundles how can i solve
this ?

I hope u people understand my requirement... How open source solve this ?

 I think so Xml with the help of linux its solves the problem

Please experts share their opinions. how can i resolve this problem 
experts please share their mail ids or skype ids

i think in my perspective we need to write a xml or hmtl code and automate
that sript


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Re: [Ilugc] Linux command help

2013-04-15 Thread Arun Khan
On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 9:00 PM, Kumar send4ku...@gmail.com wrote:
 Shall I use some thing like this

It depends on what service(s) you have setup.

 scp -r username of remote machine:remote location location of local
 directory

This requires a ssh server (supports scp/sftp)

 or

 wget -O D:/test/testinlocal.tgz tester.tgz

requires a http/ftp server.

 On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 8:53 PM, RM rmath...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 8:25 PM, Kumar send4ku...@gmail.com wrote:
  I need a* command in Linux to download ZIP or **TGZ format file in local

Please do *not* top post, use 'inter leaved' posting style.

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Re: [Ilugc] Microsoft Office 365 for Education made mandatory for approved institutions by AICTE

2013-04-15 Thread Arun Khan
On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 8:25 AM, A. Mani a.mani@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Arun Khan knu...@gmail.com wrote:
 The words in reference are wrecking havoc


 ok, 'rectifying'.

 The problem is small groups with vested interests in and outside AICTE
 have too much power. They regard it as their private property.



Agree with the objective but let's use less confrontational language;
all postings are in public archives.

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Re: [Ilugc] Linux command help

2013-04-15 Thread Arun Venkataswamy
On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Kumar send4ku...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello All,

 I have query of downloading in local machine. I used SSH tool for this.

 1. I need to ZIP all Files and Folder from Live server.
 2. Download the ZIP files from to Local machine ( Window ).

 For 1 : I am using tar -czvf tester.tgz testing/
 For 2 : *I am looking for your help *


If you have a http server running in your live Linux machine (apache or
friends), the simplest and quickest way if it is a one time requirement is:

   - Copy the zip/tgz to the htdocs folder (/var/www?)
   - Go to any browser in the windows machine and type in
   http://your-linux-machine-ip/yourbackupfile
   - After download, delete the backup from the public directory.

Regards,
Arun Venkataswamy
http://wondroussky.blogspot.in/

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Re: [Ilugc] some more blurb on UNIX and Linux

2013-04-15 Thread Arun Khan
On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 7:50 AM, Girish Venkatachalam
girishvenkatacha...@gmail.com wrote:
 This is mostly academic meaning it is useless.

It is not academic, need to cite references; I agree with the latter
part of the sentence.

There are many reference material on this subject.

I would urge members to read them and draw their own conclusions.

A nice time line of Unix, Linux and variants.
http://www.computerhope.com/history/unix.htm

UNIX
--
Paper by Dennis Ritchie:
http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/dmr/hist.html

The Open Groups' which now owns the Unix trademark and gives Unix certification:
http://www.unix.org/what_is_unix/history_timeline.html

Wikepedia write up.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix


LINUX

Linux's history (collection of posts by Linus Torvalds)
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~awb/linux.history.html

Wikipedia write up
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux   see the History section

BSD
-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_Software_Distribution

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Re: [Ilugc] Off-topic: Bitcoin's Potential for Social Change

2013-04-15 Thread Tavish Naruka
On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 7:53 AM, Ashwin Dixit ganeshacompu...@gmail.comwrote:

 Greetings fellow-Linuxers,

 I have a vision to share with you.
 Whether you call it a utopia, or a dystopia, I leave up to you.

 There is great power in people's numbers.
 I feel that a critical mass is gathering behind FOSS and BitCoin.
 I feel that these Davids can potentially overthrow Goliaths.

 Please read my latest blog article and share your opinion:

 http://ownlifeful.blogspot.com/2013/04/bitcoins-potential-for-social-change.html


I think that this ongoing experimentation with bitcoins will serve as a
basis for creating
future currency, but in its current form, there is just too much bias
towards early adopters,
and hence no confidence in people who have been too late to the bitcoin
goldrush; and
this will be the downfall of bitcoin in current form.

-- 
Regards
Tavish Naruka
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