[Ilugc] netflow instrumentation

[Girish Venkatachalam]

It is very easy to make money.

It is very easy to create a software product.

It is also easy to sell on the Internet.

Okay?

Do as I say.

Don't ask me why I am poor and unsuccessful. I am only good at giving
 practical advice that works.

Netflow is a Cisco standard for measuring the traffic flows in a network.

By that I mean your LAN.

Nowadays packet traffic determine how busy your hotel business is.

Think of a hotel.

100s of tables, 4 at each and 10 waiters. Food is being served. Plates
are cleaned.

And people walk to wash their hands.

Also cash is collected and change given.

People move around carrying the "business".

In the software equivalent, this happens using packets.

In your LAN, say college LAN some are playing games, some watching
p0rn, some watching
 some youtube movie, some reading up , some playing with network protocols.

Netflow gives you a way to instrument a node in your network, say your
router or firewall to
 passively identify the traffic patterns, how many packets are coming
in from Noda A to Node B,
 how many going out, which protocol and so on.

SNMP or simple network management protocol is used to query a network
entity that runs an SNMP server or
 agent to report the various system statistics. But netflow has
nothing at all to do with SNMP.

Netflow passively measures the traffic flows. And tells you which IP
address is using up how much bandwidth
 and for how long.

It is a really cool tool.

SNMP works differently. You have managers and agents and you query
every node to know which processor,
 how much RAM, what disk usage is there and of course, how many
network interfaces are there, what their
 usages are etc.

SNMP may or may not be enabled.

It works by querying. But netflow will tell you everything by just
running a netflow daemon, a collector that
 sits in the node that sees all the packets in your network. Typically
a forwarder like your default gateway.

And once you have to data, then what?

Create graphs, tell the sys admin that you have to provision more
bandwidth or block p2p traffic and so on.

It is a really fantastic forensic and educational tool to study your
demographics.

What does this have to do with money making?

Well Zoho has been making money using this technology and many others.
They created useful dashboards,
 they created useful tools to collate the data, to visually represent
and analyze this.

Despite there being 100s of free tools they are able to make money. Why?

People pay money for convenience. When they don't have to work hard.

Almost all open source tools require you to work a little bit to see
pretty graphs of netflow.

There you go.

Products don't have to be made from scratch. You can piggyback on a
really good concept.

-Girish

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Re: [Ilugc] 1D1C

[AJIT KUMAR]

Hi
I am using Fedora 18, when i run the above explained(iostat) command it's
giving error. No command found.
Is this command come with default installation or have to install later.


On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 10:26 AM, Dhana Sekar wrote:

> command: iostat
> purpose:Reports Central Processing Unit (CPU) statistics, asynchronous
> input/output (AIO and input/output statistics for the
> entire system,
> adapters, TTY devices, disks and CD-ROMs.
>
> syntax:iostat [ -c ] [ -d ] [ -h ] [ -N ] [ -k | -m ] [ -t ] [ -V ] [
> -x  ]  [-z ] [ device [...] | ALL ]
>[ -p [ device [,...] | ALL ] ] [ interval [count ] ]
>
>
> options:  -c Display the CPU utilization report.
>   -d Display the device utilization report.
>   -h Make the Device Utilization Report easier to read by a
> human.
>   -k Display statistics in kilobytes per second.
>   -m Display statistics in megabytes per second.
>   -N Display the registered device mapper names for any
> device mapper devices.
>   Useful for viewing LVM2 statistics.
>   -p [ { device [,...] | ALL } The -p option displays
> statistics  for  block  devices  and  all
>   their  partitions that are used by the system.
>   -t Print the time for each report displayed. The
>  timestamp  format
>  may  depend  on the value of the S_TIME_FORMAT
> environment variable
>   -V Print version number then exit.
>   -x Display extended statistics.
>   -z Tell iostat to omit output for any devices for which
>  there  was
>   no activity during the sample period.
> examples:
>
>  1. To display a single history since boot report for all
> TTY, CPU, and Disks, type:
>  #iostat
>  2. To display a continuous disk report at two second
> intervals for the disk with the logical name disk1,
>  type:
>  #iostat -d disk1 2
>  3. To display six reports at two second intervals for the
> disk with the logical name disk1, type:
>  #iostat disk1 2 6
>  4. To display six reports at two second intervals for all
> disks, type:
>  #iostat -d 2 6
>  5. To display six reports at two second intervals for
> three disks named disk1, disk2, disk3, type:
>  #iostat disk1 disk2 disk3 2 6
>  6. To print the System throughput report since boot, type:
>  #iostat -s
>  7. To print the Adapter throughput reports at 5-second
> intervals, type:
>  #iostat -a 5
>  8. To print 10 System and Adapter throughput reports at
> 20-second intervals, with only the TTY and
>  CPU report (no disk reports), type:
>  #iostat -sat 20 10
>  9. To display time stamp next to each line of output of
> iostat, type:
>  #iostat -T 60
> 10. To display 6 reports at 2-second intervals on AIO,
> type:
>   #iostat -A 2 6
> 11. To display AIO statistics since boot for queues
> associated with all mounted filesystems, type:
>   #iostat -A -Q
> 12. To display extended drive report for all disks, type:
>   #iostat -D
>
> file:/usr/bin/iostat  Contains the iostat command.
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Re: [Ilugc] 1D1C

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

--- On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 2:08 PM, AJIT KUMAR  wrote:
| I am using Fedora 18, when i run the above explained(iostat) command it's
| giving error. No command found.
| Is this command come with default installation or have to install later.
\--

The way to find out which package provides it is to use:

  $ yum whatprovides "*bin/iostat"

You need to install the sysstat package that provides iostat.

Please don't top-post when you reply.

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Re: [Ilugc] netflow instrumentation

[kavin nath]

Hi Girish,
can you pls provide some dumps about the netflow.

Regards,
kavin


On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Girish Venkatachalam <
girishvenkatacha...@gmail.com> wrote:

> It is very easy to make money.
>
> It is very easy to create a software product.
>
> It is also easy to sell on the Internet.
>
> Okay?
>
> Do as I say.
>
> Don't ask me why I am poor and unsuccessful. I am only good at giving
>  practical advice that works.
>
> Netflow is a Cisco standard for measuring the traffic flows in a network.
>
> By that I mean your LAN.
>
> Nowadays packet traffic determine how busy your hotel business is.
>
> Think of a hotel.
>
> 100s of tables, 4 at each and 10 waiters. Food is being served. Plates
> are cleaned.
>
> And people walk to wash their hands.
>
> Also cash is collected and change given.
>
> People move around carrying the "business".
>
> In the software equivalent, this happens using packets.
>
> In your LAN, say college LAN some are playing games, some watching
> p0rn, some watching
>  some youtube movie, some reading up , some playing with network protocols.
>
> Netflow gives you a way to instrument a node in your network, say your
> router or firewall to
>  passively identify the traffic patterns, how many packets are coming
> in from Noda A to Node B,
>  how many going out, which protocol and so on.
>
> SNMP or simple network management protocol is used to query a network
> entity that runs an SNMP server or
>  agent to report the various system statistics. But netflow has
> nothing at all to do with SNMP.
>
> Netflow passively measures the traffic flows. And tells you which IP
> address is using up how much bandwidth
>  and for how long.
>
> It is a really cool tool.
>
> SNMP works differently. You have managers and agents and you query
> every node to know which processor,
>  how much RAM, what disk usage is there and of course, how many
> network interfaces are there, what their
>  usages are etc.
>
> SNMP may or may not be enabled.
>
> It works by querying. But netflow will tell you everything by just
> running a netflow daemon, a collector that
>  sits in the node that sees all the packets in your network. Typically
> a forwarder like your default gateway.
>
> And once you have to data, then what?
>
> Create graphs, tell the sys admin that you have to provision more
> bandwidth or block p2p traffic and so on.
>
> It is a really fantastic forensic and educational tool to study your
> demographics.
>
> What does this have to do with money making?
>
> Well Zoho has been making money using this technology and many others.
> They created useful dashboards,
>  they created useful tools to collate the data, to visually represent
> and analyze this.
>
> Despite there being 100s of free tools they are able to make money. Why?
>
> People pay money for convenience. When they don't have to work hard.
>
> Almost all open source tools require you to work a little bit to see
> pretty graphs of netflow.
>
> There you go.
>
> Products don't have to be made from scratch. You can piggyback on a
> really good concept.
>
> -Girish
>
> --
> Gayatri Hitech
> http://gayatri-hitech.com
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[Ilugc] It’s hard to monetize free open source software

[balachandar muruganantham]

"It’s hard to monetize free open source software" - Eric Wittman , Songbird
http://www.nextbigwhat.com/songbird-shutdown-297/


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[Ilugc] how to use AWS?

[vijay siva]

Hi to every one.

my task is send to email with using AWS.

so i have sign up for (Amazon Web Services)AWS . and i have got secrete
keys, and keys.i have downloads SDK for PHP and i have copy,past to my
direct path(/opt/lampp/htdocs/amazon/aws)


i have write the initals(fresh) code.below these codes


 'AKIAI3RFK7VX6KPAVWQQ',
'secret' => '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',
));



$bucket = 'bala';

$result = $client->createBucket(array(
'Bucket' => $bucket
));

// Wait until the bucket is created
$client->waitUntil('BucketExists', array('Bucket' => $bucket));
?>

and save these codes and run  browser ,

but its not working, i have found below these errors


Warning: require(aws/aws-autoloader.php) [function.require]: failed to open
stream: No such file or directory in
/opt/lampp/htdocs/amazon/aws/servicefactor.php on line 5

Fatal error: require() [function.require]: Failed opening required
'aws/aws-autoloader.php' (include_path='.:/opt/lampp/lib/php') in
/opt/lampp/htdocs/amazon/aws/servicefactor.php on line 5

if any one know AWS please help with me?
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Re: [Ilugc] how to use AWS?

[Baskaran R]

Hi Vijay,


On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 5:57 PM, vijay siva  wrote:

> Hi to every one.
>
> my task is send to email with using AWS.
>
> so i have sign up for (Amazon Web Services)AWS . and i have got secrete
> keys, and keys.i have downloads SDK for PHP and i have copy,past to my
> direct path(/opt/lampp/htdocs/amazon/aws)
>
>
> i have write the initals(fresh) code.below these codes
>
>
> 
> // Include the SDK using the Composer autoloader
> require 'amazon/aws/aws-autoloader.php';
>
> use Aws\S3\S3Client;
>
> // Instantiate the S3 client with your AWS credentials and desired AWS
> region
> $client = S3Client::factory(array(
> 'key' => 'AKIAI3RFK7VX6KPAVWQQ',
> 'secret' => 'nfvjefVOCfGmCkwDfWtwdyJi12Prvum3K86ab5hZ',
> ));
>
>
>
> $bucket = 'bala';
>
> $result = $client->createBucket(array(
> 'Bucket' => $bucket
> ));
>
> // Wait until the bucket is created
> $client->waitUntil('BucketExists', array('Bucket' => $bucket));
> ?>
>
> and save these codes and run  browser ,
>
> but its not working, i have found below these errors
>
>
> Warning: require(aws/aws-autoloader.php) [function.require]: failed to open
> stream: No such file or directory in
> /opt/lampp/htdocs/amazon/aws/servicefactor.php on line 5
>
> Fatal error: require() [function.require]: Failed opening required
> 'aws/aws-autoloader.php' (include_path='.:/opt/lampp/lib/php') in
> /opt/lampp/htdocs/amazon/aws/servicefactor.php on line 5
>
> if any one know AWS please help with me?
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You have to use AWS Simple Email Service(SES) to send mail.
http://aws.amazon.com/ses/

Currently your using S3, S3 is used for storing files not for email service.

This is a simple PHP library designed for easy interaction with Simple
Email Service. Documentation and example code can be found here:
http://www.orderingdisorder.com/aws/ses/
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Re: [Ilugc] netflow instrumentation

[Girish Venkatachalam]

I am doing it in a future occasion.

I figured out netflow after nearly 4 years. So I am happy.

I shall send a command and dump.

We need two components:

1) netflow collector(softflowd on openbsd)

2) netflow reader (flowd-reader)

Using these two we can obtain the packet flows.

I shall give you a sample soon.

-Girish

On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 5:10 PM, kavin nath  wrote:
> Hi Girish,
> can you pls provide some dumps about the netflow.
>
> Regards,
> kavin
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Girish Venkatachalam <
> girishvenkatacha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> It is very easy to make money.
>>
>> It is very easy to create a software product.
>>
>> It is also easy to sell on the Internet.
>>
>> Okay?
>>
>> Do as I say.
>>
>> Don't ask me why I am poor and unsuccessful. I am only good at giving
>>  practical advice that works.
>>
>> Netflow is a Cisco standard for measuring the traffic flows in a network.
>>
>> By that I mean your LAN.
>>
>> Nowadays packet traffic determine how busy your hotel business is.
>>
>> Think of a hotel.
>>
>> 100s of tables, 4 at each and 10 waiters. Food is being served. Plates
>> are cleaned.
>>
>> And people walk to wash their hands.
>>
>> Also cash is collected and change given.
>>
>> People move around carrying the "business".
>>
>> In the software equivalent, this happens using packets.
>>
>> In your LAN, say college LAN some are playing games, some watching
>> p0rn, some watching
>>  some youtube movie, some reading up , some playing with network protocols.
>>
>> Netflow gives you a way to instrument a node in your network, say your
>> router or firewall to
>>  passively identify the traffic patterns, how many packets are coming
>> in from Noda A to Node B,
>>  how many going out, which protocol and so on.
>>
>> SNMP or simple network management protocol is used to query a network
>> entity that runs an SNMP server or
>>  agent to report the various system statistics. But netflow has
>> nothing at all to do with SNMP.
>>
>> Netflow passively measures the traffic flows. And tells you which IP
>> address is using up how much bandwidth
>>  and for how long.
>>
>> It is a really cool tool.
>>
>> SNMP works differently. You have managers and agents and you query
>> every node to know which processor,
>>  how much RAM, what disk usage is there and of course, how many
>> network interfaces are there, what their
>>  usages are etc.
>>
>> SNMP may or may not be enabled.
>>
>> It works by querying. But netflow will tell you everything by just
>> running a netflow daemon, a collector that
>>  sits in the node that sees all the packets in your network. Typically
>> a forwarder like your default gateway.
>>
>> And once you have to data, then what?
>>
>> Create graphs, tell the sys admin that you have to provision more
>> bandwidth or block p2p traffic and so on.
>>
>> It is a really fantastic forensic and educational tool to study your
>> demographics.
>>
>> What does this have to do with money making?
>>
>> Well Zoho has been making money using this technology and many others.
>> They created useful dashboards,
>>  they created useful tools to collate the data, to visually represent
>> and analyze this.
>>
>> Despite there being 100s of free tools they are able to make money. Why?
>>
>> People pay money for convenience. When they don't have to work hard.
>>
>> Almost all open source tools require you to work a little bit to see
>> pretty graphs of netflow.
>>
>> There you go.
>>
>> Products don't have to be made from scratch. You can piggyback on a
>> really good concept.
>>
>> -Girish
>>
>> --
>> Gayatri Hitech
>> http://gayatri-hitech.com
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>>
>
>
>
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Re: [Ilugc] It’s hard to monetize free open source software

[Girish Venkatachalam]

I have monetized my LiveUSB project.

Nowadays I don't get anything but I have made some cash.

-Girish

2013/6/19 balachandar muruganantham :
> "It’s hard to monetize free open source software" - Eric Wittman , Songbird
> http://www.nextbigwhat.com/songbird-shutdown-297/
>
>
> - balachandar muruganantham
> எனது தமிழ் பக்கங்கள் - http://www.balachandar.net/pakkangal
> தமிழ் புத்தக விற்பனை இணையம் - http://www.chennaishopping.com/ - 300ரூ மேல்
> உள்ள ஆர்டர்களுக்கு, இலவச சேர்க்கை.
> தமிழ்ச் சொல் திருத்தி -
> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tamil-spell-checker-for-firefo/
>
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Re: [Ilugc] how to use AWS?

[Girish Venkatachalam]

Yes yes I use the CPAN modules Net::Amazon::* stuff. I upload, get
logfiles and so on.

-Girish

On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 5:57 PM, vijay siva  wrote:
> Hi to every one.
>
> my task is send to email with using AWS.
>
> so i have sign up for (Amazon Web Services)AWS . and i have got secrete
> keys, and keys.i have downloads SDK for PHP and i have copy,past to my
> direct path(/opt/lampp/htdocs/amazon/aws)
>
>
> i have write the initals(fresh) code.below these codes
>
>
> 
> // Include the SDK using the Composer autoloader
> require 'amazon/aws/aws-autoloader.php';
>
> use Aws\S3\S3Client;
>
> // Instantiate the S3 client with your AWS credentials and desired AWS
> region
> $client = S3Client::factory(array(
> 'key' => 'AKIAI3RFK7VX6KPAVWQQ',
> 'secret' => 'nfvjefVOCfGmCkwDfWtwdyJi12Prvum3K86ab5hZ',
> ));
>
>
>
> $bucket = 'bala';
>
> $result = $client->createBucket(array(
> 'Bucket' => $bucket
> ));
>
> // Wait until the bucket is created
> $client->waitUntil('BucketExists', array('Bucket' => $bucket));
> ?>
>
> and save these codes and run  browser ,
>
> but its not working, i have found below these errors
>
>
> Warning: require(aws/aws-autoloader.php) [function.require]: failed to open
> stream: No such file or directory in
> /opt/lampp/htdocs/amazon/aws/servicefactor.php on line 5
>
> Fatal error: require() [function.require]: Failed opening required
> 'aws/aws-autoloader.php' (include_path='.:/opt/lampp/lib/php') in
> /opt/lampp/htdocs/amazon/aws/servicefactor.php on line 5
>
> if any one know AWS please help with me?
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Re: [Ilugc] It’s hard to monetize free open source software

[Karthikeyan A.K]

Almost my money came from free software.


On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 6:25 PM, Girish Venkatachalam <
girishvenkatacha...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I have monetized my LiveUSB project.
>
> Nowadays I don't get anything but I have made some cash.
>
> -Girish
>
> 2013/6/19 balachandar muruganantham :
> > "It’s hard to monetize free open source software" - Eric Wittman ,
> Songbird
> > http://www.nextbigwhat.com/songbird-shutdown-297/
> >
> >
> > - balachandar muruganantham
> > எனது தமிழ் பக்கங்கள் - http://www.balachandar.net/pakkangal
> > தமிழ் புத்தக விற்பனை இணையம் - http://www.chennaishopping.com/ - 300ரூ
> மேல்
> > உள்ள ஆர்டர்களுக்கு, இலவச சேர்க்கை.
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[Ilugc] 1D1C

[Dhana Sekar]

command: sar

purpose: Collects, reports, or saves system activity information.

1. To report system unit activity, enter:
#sar
2. To report current tty activity for each 2 seconds for the next 40
seconds,
#sar -y -r 2 20
3. To watch system unit for 10 minutes and sort data, enter:
#sar -o temp 60 10
4. To report processor activity for the first two processors, enter:
#sar -u -P 0,1
5. To report message, semaphore, and processor activity for all processors
and system-wide
#sar -mu -P ALL
6. To report all activities with multiple sets of headers for every 2
seconds
for the next 40 seconds
#sar -MA 2 20
7. To report system call, kernel process, and paging activities with
separate
headers for each of the three lines of data at each iteration for every
2
seconds for the next 40 seconds,
#sar -Mckr 2 20


file: /usr/sbin/sar/   contains the sar command
  /bin/sar/   Indicates the symbolic link to the sar command

for more info: #man sar

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Re: [Ilugc] 1D1C

[Guruprasad]

Hi Dhanasekar,

On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 6:51 PM, Dhana Sekar  wrote:
> command: sar
>
> purpose: Collects, reports, or saves system activity information.

It is a very good initiative to send emails every day about various
Linux commands and I fully appreciate that. I feel it would be better
if you added the name of the command in the email so that it becomes
easier to later search for a particular command.

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Re: [Ilugc] 1D1C

[Arun Khan]

On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 6:55 PM, Guruprasad  wrote:

> It is a very good initiative to send emails every day about various
> Linux commands and I fully appreciate that. I feel it would be better
> if you added the name of the command in the email so that it becomes
> easier to later search for a particular command.
>

+1

However, it might also be worthwhile to start a blog and start putting
stuff there - get exposed to a much wider audience.  Others can chip
in with their own favorites.

FWIW - I have discovered dstat; it combines the functionality of some
of the tools posted thus far.

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Re: [Ilugc] 1D1C

[Balachandran Sivakumar]

Hi,

On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 8:20 PM, Arun Khan  wrote:
>
> However, it might also be worthwhile to start a blog and start putting

I think Bharati Subramanian started a blog for his ODOC series, to
which posts could be made via emails. May be he will have some
pointers on how to do that. Thanks


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Re: [Ilugc] It’s hard to monetize free open source software

[Mohan Sundaram]

One needs to deliver something to make money. If software is free, just giving 
software does not deliver any value and this no business can be transacted.

If free shows is used as a bar and deep knowledge of the software, domain and 
integration is packaged and sold as training, configuration services, 
customisation, integration with other packages, there is able money to be made. 

Regards
... Mohan Sundaram
Sent from my mobile. Pardon typos

-Original Message-
From: "Karthikeyan A.K" 
To: ILUG-C 
Sent: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 6:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Ilugc] It’s hard to monetize free open source software

Almost my money came from free software.


On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 6:25 PM, Girish Venkatachalam <
girishvenkatacha...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I have monetized my LiveUSB project.
>
> Nowadays I don't get anything but I have made some cash.
>
> -Girish
>
> 2013/6/19 balachandar muruganantham :
> > "It’s hard to monetize free open source software" - Eric Wittman ,
> Songbird
> > http://www.nextbigwhat.com/songbird-shutdown-297/
> >
> >
> > - balachandar muruganantham
> > எனது தமிழ் பக்கங்கள் - http://www.balachandar.net/pakkangal
> > தமிழ் புத்தக விற்பனை இணையம் - http://www.chennaishopping.com/ - 300ரூ
> மேல்
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Re: [Ilugc] It’s hard to monetize free open source software

[Ashwin Dixit]

On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 7:03 PM, Mohan Sundaram  wrote:

> One needs to deliver something to make money. If software is free, just
> giving software does not deliver any value and this no business can be
> transacted.
>
> If free shows is used as a bar and deep knowledge of the software, domain
> and integration is packaged and sold as training, configuration services,
> customisation, integration with other packages, there is able money to be
> made.
>
> Regards
> ... Mohan Sundaram
> Sent from my mobile. Pardon typos
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "Karthikeyan A.K" 
> To: ILUG-C 
> Sent: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 6:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ilugc] It’s hard to monetize free open source software
>
> Almost my money came from free software.
>
>
+1

Who says there is no money to be made? I am a living counter-example.

I have been programming with Open Source software since 1995.
All my money has come from participating in the Open Source bazaar.
Salaries well above Rs. 1 crore / year are not unheard of in the Open
Source world, if you are in the right place at the right time with the
right skills.
The money to be made comes from your reputation.
And reputation comes from having released quality Open Source software.
Code, publish, self-promote on social media, repeat till you land your
dream gig!

Best of luck!

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Re: [Ilugc] It’s hard to monetize free open source software

[satyaakam goswami]

>
> > Almost my money came from free software.
> >
> >
> +1
>
> Who says there is no money to be made? I am a living counter-example.
>

good to know and hear about it , may god Saraswati and Lakshmi endow you
with more 

I have been programming with Open Source software since 1995.
>

were you using any other email id to post on mailing lists then , is there
a proof of  your claim ?


> All my money has come from participating in the Open Source bazaar.
> Salaries well above Rs. 1 crore / year are not unheard of in the Open
> Source world,


can you cite some examples about people who you know of in this category ?


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Re: [Ilugc] It’s hard to monetize free open source software

[Ashwin Dixit]

On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 7:33 PM, satyaakam goswami wrote:

> >
> > > Almost my money came from free software.
> > >
> > >
> > +1
> >
> > Who says there is no money to be made? I am a living counter-example.
> >
>
> good to know and hear about it , may god Saraswati and Lakshmi endow you
> with more
>
>

Thank you for your kind blessings. The Goddess is mighty.



> I have been programming with Open Source software since 1995.
> >
>
> were you using any other email id to post on mailing lists then , is there
> a proof of  your claim ?
>
>
I felt a little silly, having to "prove this claim". Yet, I did.
I used to be the Webmaster of ei.org and a Perl programmer, in 1995.

http://www.hughes.com.au/hypermail/msql-list/199612/0046.html



>
> > All my money has come from participating in the Open Source bazaar.
> > Salaries well above Rs. 1 crore / year are not unheard of in the Open
> > Source world,
>
>
> can you cite some examples about people who you know of in this category ?
>
>
LOTs of them. Yet, I won't mention any names in order to keep their privacy.
We are all from India. We made it to the exotic shores of USA, learned to
program in Perl, on top of Linux, and Apache, and mySQL, etc.
We all made $200,000+ / year. We were driven home in company limousines,
served delicious lunches, received massages, champagne etc.

And yet, I hear that those benefits have not quite trickled down to India.
The world is up for some shaking upping.
Don't try to emulate success stories of the past. It's pointless.
Write your own success story.

Cheers,

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Re: [Ilugc] It’s hard to monetize free open source software

[satyaakam goswami]

2013/6/19 balachandar muruganantham 

> "It’s hard to monetize free open source software" - Eric Wittman , Songbird
> http://www.nextbigwhat.com/songbird-shutdown-297/


this whole article is misleading and done in a hurry , like blaming the
west for all the rapes in our country.This one is a clear case of
mismanagement in execution ,on the face of it  there was nothing wrong in
the basic idea and they had customers to back them too. Again there are
sparse details we can just speculate.

in any business there are two situations when partners do to get along,
when they have plenty and/or when they do not have any . This looks like a
case when the goose got killed just because of debt.


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Re: [Ilugc] It’s hard to monetize free open source software

[satyaakam goswami]

>
> > > +1
> > >
> > > Who says there is no money to be made? I am a living counter-example.
> > >
> >
> > good to know and hear about it , may god Saraswati and Lakshmi endow you
> > with more
> >
> >
>
> Thank you for your kind blessings. The Goddess is mighty.
>
>
>
> > I have been programming with Open Source software since 1995.
> > >
> >
> > were you using any other email id to post on mailing lists then , is
> there
> > a proof of  your claim ?
> >
> >
> I felt a little silly, having to "prove this claim". Yet, I did.
> I used to be the Webmaster of ei.org and a Perl programmer, in 1995.
>
> http://www.hughes.com.au/hypermail/msql-list/199612/0046.html


No there is nothing to feel bad or silly about it , thanks for sharing now
we all know you  better as a person and from where you are coming :-) .
There is one more thing about this market place where people try to bs so
its good to ask when in doubt and cut through bs.

> > All my money has come from participating in the Open Source bazaar.
> > > Salaries well above Rs. 1 crore / year are not unheard of in the Open
> > > Source world,
> >
> >
> > can you cite some examples about people who you know of in this category
> ?
> >
> >
> LOTs of them. Yet, I won't mention any names in order to keep their
> privacy.
>

yes i understand , any public figures who took this path i would be
interested in learning about them.

We are all from India. We made it to the exotic shores of USA, learned to
> program in Perl, on top of Linux, and Apache, and mySQL, etc.
> We all made $200,000+ / year. We were driven home in company limousines,
> served delicious lunches, received massages, champagne etc.
>

agree this is a different class and case to look into .People who get day
jobs because of there free and open source software skills .


> And yet, I hear that those benefits have not quite trickled down to India.
> The world is up for some shaking upping.
> Don't try to emulate success stories of the past. It's pointless.
> Write your own success story.
>

cool , good to know you better as a person , where are you based out of ?


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Re: [Ilugc] It’s hard to monetize free open source software

[Ashwin Dixit]

On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 8:03 PM, satyaakam goswami wrote:

>
> cool , good to know you better as a person , where are you based out of ?
>
>
I am in Santa Monica, California at the moment.
Attended a conference called, "Bitcoin: The Future of Payments" in San Jose.
Even though there are risks involved, bitcoin and math-based currencies
like it, are the future.
My feeling is -- money itself is going to be open source.
I would urge Indian techies to take special interest in these math-based
currencies.

Cheers,

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Re: [Ilugc] It’s hard to monetize free open source software

[satyaakam goswami]

>
> My feeling is -- money itself is going to be open source.
> I would urge Indian techies to take special interest in these math-based
> currencies.
>

Sure start a new thread to talk about it , may be some of us will share
there views.


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Re: [Ilugc] It’s hard to monetize free open source software

[satyaakam goswami]

On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Karthikeyan A.K wrote:

> Almost my money came from free software.
>

you are back to your old ways :-) , top posting and one liners , the
generation X needs your golden words as to how you did it or doing it so
that they can get there lessons here , even failures are good and ok to
talk about in this context so that they know how not to screw it.


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Re: [Ilugc] It’s hard to monetize free open source software

[satyaakam goswami]

On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:33 AM, Mohan Sundaram  wrote:

> One needs to deliver something to make money. If software is free, just
> giving software does not deliver any value and this no business can be
> transacted.


> If free shows is used as a bar and deep knowledge of the software, domain
> and integration is packaged and sold as training, configuration services,
> customisation, integration with other packages, there is able money to be
> made.
>

in both the above cases you are talking about software as a service , the
point most of the youngsters miss is , there is no tangible direct benefit
from the Free software you write in most of the cases ,  There is one very
big intangible benefit which most of us ignore is the skill development in
the process .This is what makes this person special who is valued in top
dollars by thousands of companies across the world . This is a big market
place in its own and will need a different thread to talk about . so to not
to confuse much the first stop if youngsters can cater to this market place
with skills , once they are employed and once there basic needs and
necessities are taken care of then they can think of taking the next step
towards whatever next big or whatever IMHO.


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[Ilugc] vanishing text with jQuery

[Girish Venkatachalam]

This is a very simple concept with setTimeout() but the animation is
very interesting.

http://awrdev.g3tech.in/timeouts.html




 



$(function() {
$('#add').click(function() {
$(this).attr("disabled", true);
$('#container').append("
How are
you?


This is sample
text


END");
setTimeout("$('h3').fadeOut();", 5000);
setTimeout("$('h2').fadeOut();", 15000);
setTimeout("$('span').fadeOut();", 1);
setTimeout("$('#container').html('
 I am left
still
');$('#add').attr('disabled', false);", 2);
});
})



 Timeouts demo


 Vanishing text demo





It is actually very simple logic.

I have 3 one shot timers. And together they make a nice animation.

And I also do a smart thing.I disable the demo button till the anime is over.

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Re: [Ilugc] It’s hard to monetize free open source software

[Mohan Sundaram]

n both the above cases you are talking about software as a service , the point 
most of the youngsters miss is , there is no tangible direct benefit from the 
Free software you write in most of the cases , There is one very big intangible 
benefit which most of us ignore is the skill development in the process .This 
is what makes this person special who is valued in top dollars by thousands of 
companies across the world . This is a big market place in its own and will 
need a different thread to talk about . so to not to confuse much the first 
stop if youngsters can cater to this market place with skills , once they are 
employed and once there basic needs and necessities are taken care of then they 
can think of taking the next step towards whatever next big or whatever IMHO.


This is definitely true. Being a contributor to open source is a good way to 
build skill. Applauds in this space it's seen as a greater endorsements of 
skill than from an organizational context.
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Re: [Ilugc] how to use AWS?

[Mehul Ved]

On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 5:57 PM, vijay siva  wrote:

> Warning: require(aws/aws-autoloader.php) [function.require]: failed to open
>
stream: No such file or directory in
> /opt/lampp/htdocs/amazon/aws/servicefactor.php on line 5
>
> Fatal error: require() [function.require]: Failed opening required
> 'aws/aws-autoloader.php' (include_path='.:/opt/lampp/lib/php') in
> /opt/lampp/htdocs/amazon/aws/servicefactor.php on line 5
>

This isn't a AWS problem. PHP is throwing an error, telling you that it
can't find the file aws-autoloader.php in the include_path. Probably it
should have been require(aws-autoloader.php)? Check your directory layout
to figure out what's the correct path.
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Re: [Ilugc] It’s hard to monetize free open source software

[Baskar Selvaraj]

On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Mohan Sundaram wrote:

> 
> n both the above cases you are talking about software as a service , the
> point most of the youngsters miss is , there is no tangible direct benefit
> from the Free software you write in most of the cases , There is one very
> big intangible benefit which most of us ignore is the skill development in
> the process .This is what makes this person special who is valued in top
> dollars by thousands of companies across the world . This is a big market
> place in its own and will need a different thread to talk about . so to not
> to confuse much the first stop if youngsters can cater to this market place
> with skills , once they are employed and once there basic needs and
> necessities are taken care of then they can think of taking the next step
> towards whatever next big or whatever IMHO.
> 
>
> This is definitely true. Being a contributor to open source is a good way
> to build skill. Applauds in this space it's seen as a greater endorsements
> of skill than from an organizational context.
>
That's a big true.  As myself being specializing in providing customized
Thinclient solutions for reusing old computers (which I have been doing
since 2002), this expertise has helped my company in bagging a order from
a Government organization for developing Linux based Thinclient OS for
implementing in 10K+ computers.

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Re: [Ilugc] It?s hard to monetize free open source software

[Prem Kurian Philip]

> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:33 AM, Mohan Sundaram 
> wrote:
>
>> One needs to deliver something to make money. If software is free, just
>> giving software does not deliver any value and this no business can be
>> transacted.
>
>
>> If free shows is used as a bar and deep knowledge of the software,
>> domain
>> and integration is packaged and sold as training, configuration
>> services,
>> customisation, integration with other packages, there is able money to
>> be
>> made.
>>
>
> in both the above cases you are talking about software as a service , the
> point most of the youngsters miss is , there is no tangible direct benefit
> from the Free software you write in most of the cases ,  There is one very
> big intangible benefit which most of us ignore is the skill development in
> the process .This is what makes this person special who is valued in top
> dollars by thousands of companies across the world . This is a big market
> place in its own and will need a different thread to talk about . so to
> not
> to confuse much the first stop if youngsters can cater to this market
> place
> with skills , once they are employed and once there basic needs and
> necessities are taken care of then they can think of taking the next step
> towards whatever next big or whatever IMHO.

>From my experience with open source development, there is money to be made
IF the software being developed is more applicable for enterprises rather
than for end consumers.

If you are the author/contributor of an open source product, library or
framework or even if you are not the author but an expert in that product,
companies are willing to pay to have you *consult* with them on the
implementation of that product.

That is where the money is made - in consulting. When I refer to
consulting, I mean:

a) Modifications to the software to meet a specific set of requirements
unique to a client.

b) Implementing the software for the client

c) Rebranding the software with the client's logo, corporate colours. This
can often be charged at a very high rate.

d) Support post implementation

e) Training

Other avenues for revenue generation:

f)  The authors/experts can make money on selling books, guides, and other
sorts of documentation.

g) Some classes of software are dual licensed - open source licensed for
non-commercial use, and commercially licensed for everything else.

h) In the case of software like Mozilla, there may be option to default to
a specific search engine / site. For this the search engine or site will
pony up the funds.

Examples of opensource software which is making a lot of money:

Redhat/JBOSS, Springsource, Eclipse, Joomla, Drupal, Typo3, Liferay,
Alfresco, PostgreSQL, Apache Hadoop.. and most Apache products

In the case of Mozilla,

However, it is unlikely that an end consumer - a retail customer, is going
to pay to receive support or consulting from you.

That was the problem with the Songbird music player. It was a product
intended for individuals to use in their homes. There was a small niche
segment of enterprises who may have been willing to use Songbird for their
own products - example: Philips for the Mp3 players etc, but the value
proposition wasn't strong enough. Someone at Philips can easily download
the source code, make a few changes and brand it as the Philips player.
There wasn't a lot of scope for consulting.

BTW, the name of my company - Songbird Technologies, has nothing
whatsoever to do with the Songbird music player. We were established in
2003 - well before the Songbird player came on the scene.

Regards,
Prem Kurian Philip

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Re: [Ilugc] It’s hard to monetize free open source software

[balachandar muruganantham]

On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Baskar Selvaraj wrote:

> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Mohan Sundaram  >wrote:
>
> > 
> > n both the above cases you are talking about software as a service , the
> > point most of the youngsters miss is , there is no tangible direct
> benefit
> > from the Free software you write in most of the cases , There is one very
> > big intangible benefit which most of us ignore is the skill development
> in
> > the process .This is what makes this person special who is valued in top
> > dollars by thousands of companies across the world . This is a big market
> > place in its own and will need a different thread to talk about . so to
> not
> > to confuse much the first stop if youngsters can cater to this market
> place
> > with skills , once they are employed and once there basic needs and
> > necessities are taken care of then they can think of taking the next step
> > towards whatever next big or whatever IMHO.
> > 
> >
> > This is definitely true. Being a contributor to open source is a good way
> > to build skill. Applauds in this space it's seen as a greater
> endorsements
> > of skill than from an organizational context.
> >
> That's a big true.  As myself being specializing in providing customized
> Thinclient solutions for reusing old computers (which I have been doing
> since 2002), this expertise has helped my company in bagging a order from
> a Government organization for developing Linux based Thinclient OS for
> implementing in 10K+ computers.
>
>
I think the thread has been misunderstood. No one says that we cant make
money using FOSS. people have said that its hard to monetize.

i am sure there are benefits on learning the foss. i myself in this place
because of FOSS.

most of the FOSS developers are service providers atleast in india. I wish
that these developers would one day build FOSS products that will be used
by worldwide users.

In Songbird case, they were trying to monetize the music player which is a
product (alternative to itunes). Its very rare to see FOSS products that
makes huge money as far as i know.

In services sector, yes i completely agree with various people's comments
related to knowledge, training etc. you can flourish using FOSS.

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Re: [Ilugc] how to use AWS?

[vijay siva]

thanks to every one, finally its working.

i have use below these url:

http://www.orderingdisorder.com/aws/ses/


On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Mehul Ved  wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 5:57 PM, vijay siva 
> wrote:
>
> > Warning: require(aws/aws-autoloader.php) [function.require]: failed to
> open
> >
> stream: No such file or directory in
> > /opt/lampp/htdocs/amazon/aws/servicefactor.php on line 5
> >
> > Fatal error: require() [function.require]: Failed opening required
> > 'aws/aws-autoloader.php' (include_path='.:/opt/lampp/lib/php') in
> > /opt/lampp/htdocs/amazon/aws/servicefactor.php on line 5
> >
>
> This isn't a AWS problem. PHP is throwing an error, telling you that it
> can't find the file aws-autoloader.php in the include_path. Probably it
> should have been require(aws-autoloader.php)? Check your directory layout
> to figure out what's the correct path.
> --
> With Regards,
> Mehul Ved
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Re: [Ilugc] It’s hard to monetize free open source software

[satyaakam goswami]

>
> I think the thread has been misunderstood. No one says that we cant make
> money using FOSS. people have said that its hard to monetize.
>

by whom ?

i am sure there are benefits on learning the foss. i myself in this place
> because of FOSS.
>

which place ?

most of the FOSS developers are service providers atleast in india. I wish
> that these developers would one day build FOSS products that will be used
> by worldwide users.
>

they are two completely different ball games . when trying to do
something in there individuals cases.


> In Songbird case, they were trying to monetize the music player which is a
> product (alternative to itunes). Its very rare to see FOSS products that
> makes huge money as far as i know.
>

huge , good and bad are all relative , in fact the whole concept of money
is skewed . Why does one only try to see things with the only one point of
view . What happens to the tons of people who make money using Foss and pay
there Taxes to Govt and help in the economy . Why do we not consider  this
as the one of the ways to get educated when colleges mafias with there
money making schemes are running amok . Why is that someone needs to have
some X amount to be consider successful . I think even the success criteria
in the present society needs to be re looked into . Now we are reaching a
point of being way too OT :-)


-
Satya
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Re: [Ilugc] It?s hard to monetize free open source software

[satyaakam goswami]

>
> BTW, the name of my company - Songbird Technologies, has nothing
> whatsoever to do with the Songbird music player. We were established in
> 2003 - well before the Songbird player came on the scene.
>

Hi Prem,
   can you repost your reply to the thread properly , looks like
you added a  ? to the subject and it became a new thread , thanks for your
inputs .

-Satya
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