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2015-05-26 Thread kadavul
Which is the best RedHat training center in chennai?
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2015-04-14 Thread buvanesh
Hi!
i am Buvanesh kumar from Tiruppur.
i want to be a sysadmin in Linux. i am completed RHCE  globle certified.
my backround is BE in EEE. I love very much Linux. so i was studied in self 
way.  is there a way a company rejecting because of my backround degree?
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2015-01-16 Thread Raj Kumar
Hi team,
I need a Python scripter(any version)
Most of the python scripter from the various sites which are not working
.pls send me the download link or the software.
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2014-09-09 Thread E.gokul raj
in our college facebook blocked. how to open.
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2014-03-28 Thread Sounthar Cs
Hi there,

4K video is just for future protection.
Video will look good when people use higher than 1080p in future.
Also, our master video we upload is 4K but youtube serves in several
formats to fit bandwidth and device.
other than that, yes, we use just text as of now.


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2013-11-22 Thread Thiagaraja Pillai
MicroSoft Licesing and Budget Trouble for the Schools

The MicroSoft started their pinch on TN Schools,

The Regional Partners and the MS Inside Sales Executive call the
schools, one by one, and forcing them to buy MS licese for OS and Office
applications, a Minimum of Rs. 6 lakhs.
Already the schools are not giving sufficient Salary for the Staff, if this
expenses are added , then the situvation will be pathetic.

If i am correct, as per TN Govt School Syllabus, the schools should have MS
Win XP [ or Win 7 ] home edition license for 10 computers along with MS
office Home/ Student Edition. approximately 1 lakh,

where as many schools have more than 40 computers , so the budget is around
4 lakhs.

When one school member replied as Here after,we will not use MS products,
so you will not touble us ? then MS men replied This is for the already
used software ?!!! Also he added  How will you teach without MS products
?.

As per the current TN Syllabus , for 10th Std, There is no computer science.
for 12th Std( only for Computer Sc. Group,)   StarOffice and C++ required.
[ Turbo C is needed, gcc is not practised / not accepted ]
In 11th Std, Computer Sc. Group , Windows XP is needed.


What is the Solution ?
# Format Everything and Go for any GNU/Linux [ i prefere Mint ]
# Use any Turbo C like complier / or train in gcc

Is it necesary to for the Already Used MS products ?

OR ANY OTHER SOLUTION ?


thiagu
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2013-10-16 Thread Bala Murugan
Hi,

Just now I started learning Ruby on Rails in Linux. I installed that
framework
but I don't know how to start that framework.
and i have a great confusion about
Ruby,Ruby on Rails,Gem,Bundler,Passenger,jwelery box Please help me.

Thanks in advance
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2013-09-20 Thread Rajesh kumar
Hi,

I am running a debian pc with Ratpoison installed.

I have installed trayer and nm-applet. Whenever i startx i am getting the
trayer with nm-applet. But nm-applet is not editable. I am unable to add
new connection etc.,

I create the polkit in
/etc/polkit-1/localauthority/50-rules.d/org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.pkla
But still options are greyed out.

Any Help

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2013-08-15 Thread Mohamed Thasleem
I am trying to implement fedena v 2.3. I have a problem with a feature of
the fedena.

When I try to send internal messages, either the recipient doesn't receive
the message or it doesn't appear in the Sent Box.

The same problem is discussed in the fedena forum
http://www.projectfedena.org/forum/9-support-and-troubleshooting/topics/724-internal-messaging-service-is-not-working
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2013-08-03 Thread Satya Prakash Prasad
Hi,

I am a working software professional and has great desire to work on
Embedded and Linux Internals projects. I have a desktop with Linux OS so I
am able to practice Linux OS internals - but not sure how to proceed on
Embedded systems. I wish start and do projects from home as it gives a
great insight and learning doing everything from self.

But I have not much idea to begin - whom to approach or what *home* based
projects to start with - cost of devices required - is there a group online
that can help me in my personal setup and clarifications when required. I
have heard of IEEE - is it worth that I should do IEEE projects personally.

Is there a body who takes care of people like us voluntary or
professionally?

Thanks in advance.

Regards,
Prakash
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2013-08-01 Thread Satya Prakash Prasad
Hi,

I am very interested to learn Linux Internals and Embedded Systems and have
made some progress in that. Now I feel the need to buy devices so that I
can continue self-practice.  Should I go for Raspberry PI or something else?

Where can I can get groups who help beginners implementing projects of
industry standards?

I am not sure what project will give me a good exposure also where to go to
seek help - can anyone please guide me appropriately?

Thanks in advance.

Regards,
Prakash
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2013-07-05 Thread ARUN PALANIAPPAN
Dear Friends,

I filed my Income Tax Returns Online. I got a message for ITR-V as below
(Content trimmed)

2013/7/5 donotre...@incometaxindia.gov.in

Dear ***,

 The e-Filing of Income Tax Return for  for ITR-1 of 2013 has been
 successfully submitted.

 Your ITR-V/Acknowledgment is attached and to open, you will need Adobe
 Acrobat Reader. If you do not have an Adobe Acrobat Reader, please visit
 the following link to download it:
 www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html



I had mailed the Webmaster of Income Tax Dept [
webmas...@incometaxindia.gov.in] as follows:


Dear Sir,

 I have filed my Income tax Returns Online. I recieved a mail from
 donotre...@incometaxindia.gov.in as an acknowledgement. The mail reads

 Your ITR-V/Acknowledgment is attached and to open, you will need Adobe
 Acrobat Reader. If you do not have an Adobe Acrobat Reader, please visit
 the following link to download it:
 www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html


 I would like to bring to your notice that there are many other PDF viewers
 available for viewing the File. They have been listed in Wikipedia Page
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PDF_software . Many among them are
 Open Source Solutions (against a proprietary Adobe Reader).

 I request you to kindly replace the above sentences with Your
 ITR-V/Acknowledgment is attached and to open, you will need a PDF Viewer.
 You can use any among those mentioned in the Wikipedia Page 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PDF_software
 .


I request ILUGC members also to write to the Webmaster in this regard

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2013-04-07 Thread kadavul
Hi friends,

 i am getting un-understandable error like this while copiling c
program in Redhat EL-5. why?

[12ei010@localhost ~]$ cc calloc.c

calloc.c: In function *ΓÇÿmainΓÇÖ:*

calloc.c:8: error: expected *ΓÇÿ;ΓÇÖ* before *ΓÇÿprintfΓÇÖ*

calloc.c:11: error: *ΓÇÿnullΓÇÖ* undeclared (first use in this function)

calloc.c:11: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once

calloc.c:11: error: for each function it appears in.)

calloc.c:18: error: expected *ΓÇÿ;ΓÇÖ* before *ΓÇÿ:ΓÇÖ* token

[12ei010@localhost ~]$ cat calloc.c

#includestdio.h

#includestdlib.h

int main()

{

int i,n;

int *pointerData;

clrscr()

printf(Enter number of items to be stored: );

scanf(%d, i);

pointerData =(int*) calloc(i,sizeof(int));

if(pointerData==null)

exit(1);

for(n=0;ni;n++)

{

printf(Enter number #%d: ,n);

scanf(%d, pointerData[n]);

}

printf(You have entered : ):

for (n=0;ni;n++)

printf (%d,pointerData[n]);

getch();

return 0;

}

[12ei010@localhost ~]




Thanks and regards,

Samy

9600100357
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2013-01-04 Thread Raja Chinnathambi

http://olivierplusquellec.net/work.at.home.php?SID=680
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2012-12-03 Thread Jansi Yesu Nayagi


 
your lovely friend,
jansi
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2012-06-20 Thread Jacob G Podipara
From: Jacob G Podipara podi...@gmail.com
To: ILUG-C ilugc@ae.iitm.ac.in
Cc: 
Bcc: 
Subject: Gluttony
Reply-To: 

Greed is, like lust and gluttony, a sin of excess.It breeds on itself.
  
An ephithet I think may apply to the constant upgrades pushed by PC 
manufacturers and the various
timed launches. This is with reference to my query regarding minimal PC's and 
hardware thereof.
Just rhetorical.
 Podi
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2012-05-29 Thread mannu kannan
http://carmenfitness.co.uk/images/mysite.php?movement1.jpg
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2012-05-20 Thread A. Mani
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/05/new-74-android-mini-computer-is-slightly-larger-than-a-thumb-drive/

\quote
Chinese retailers have started selling a miniature Linux computer that
is housed in a 3.5-inch plastic case slightly larger than a USB thumb
drive. Individual units are available online for $74.

The small computer has an AllWinner A10 single-core 1.5GHz ARM CPU, a
Mali 400 GPU, and 512MB of RAM. An HDMI port on the exterior allows
users to plug the computer into a television. It outputs at 1080p and
is said to be capable of playing high-definition video.

The device also has a full-sized USB port with host support for input
devices, a conventional micro-USB port, a microSD slot, and an
internal 802.11 b/g WiFi antenna. The computer can boot from a microSD
card and is capable of running Android 4.0 and other ARM-compatible
Linux platforms.
.
\unquote



Best

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2012-04-22 Thread R.I.P-7
sir,can you send me the password for ilugc?
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2012-03-17 Thread rmariya sagaya asirvatham
Hi ilugcs

I have an idea to Start ilugc group in my home City Thoothukudi,Is there
any group already exist?.

What is the procedure to do.

Please share with me.

With thanks
Asiyr
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2012-01-19 Thread narendra babu
Hello all ,

please find one below intresting cloud OS , i tried it and liked the concept 
which is already there for some time. it can dual boot with windows just like 
any other OS and very simple installation . 

http://www.jolicloud.com/download 


Joli OS is a free and easy way to turn any computer up to 10 years old into a 
cool new cloud device. Get on the Web and instantly connect to all your Web 
apps, files and services using the computer you already own. You may never need 
to buy a new computer again.
It’s easy. Just download Joli OS. It installs in just 10 minutes

lots of applications 


Hope you will enjoy it 

thanks
Narendra
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2012-01-09 Thread g.t rao
Greetings,


I am tried to install HP 1020 printer. and got success on linux mint. then
i tried Canon LBP2900 on mint but didn't get success. Now i am trying to
install on Ubuntu 10.04. But still facing problem.

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2011-12-15 Thread Dinesh Infotech
Hi all,
  I am using ubuntu 10.10. when i tried to update or install
package via terminal i got the following error...


root@nithin-Inspiron-N5010:/home/nithin# apt-get update
E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11: Resource
temporarily unavailable)
E: Unable to lock directory /var/lib/apt/lists/
--
root@nithin-Inspiron-N5010:/home/nithin# apt-get install vlc
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Package vlc is not available, but is referred to by another package.
This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
is only available from another source

W: Duplicate sources.list entry
http://ppa.launchpad.net/cairo-dock-team/ppa/ubuntu/ maverick/main
i386 Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ppa.launchpad.net_cairo-dock-team_ppa_ubuntu_dists_maverick_main_binary-i386_Packages)
W: Duplicate sources.list entry
http://ppa.launchpad.net/cairo-dock-team/ppa/ubuntu/ maverick/main
i386 Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ppa.launchpad.net_cairo-dock-team_ppa_ubuntu_dists_maverick_main_binary-i386_Packages)
W: Duplicate sources.list entry
http://ppa.launchpad.net/cairo-dock-team/ppa/ubuntu/ maverick/main
i386 Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ppa.launchpad.net_cairo-dock-team_ppa_ubuntu_dists_maverick_main_binary-i386_Packages)
W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
E: Package 'vlc' has no installation candidate


please help me out.thanks in advance..
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2011-12-14 Thread yuvaraj csts

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2011-11-20 Thread Prasanna Venkadesh
Dear folks,

One of my friend get this error message

 gcc: internal error: bus error (program cc1) 

while trying to install a Network Simulator named NCTUNS previously called
Estinet Network simulator and Emulator in Virtual Box that runs Fedora 12
as a guest Operating System.

Can any one suggest solutions to fix this? Thanks in advance

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2011-11-05 Thread Aathi Narayanan
how to install dreamlinux in core 2 duo processor with partisioning in 2 os
i want install in my laptop is
1.dreamlinux
2.windows 7  with the help of partisioning
please help me  how to install dreamlinux with procedures...
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2011-10-04 Thread Usha Subramanian
Hi all,

Anyone happened to decode the zend guard protected code? Any one could
suggest for any tools avilable to decode...
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2011-09-08 Thread Amit Dey
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href=http://livingtraditionspresentations.com/b.old/wp-content/themes/my-blog/images/inmdamamazon.htm;http://livingtraditionspresentations.com/b.old/wp-content/themes/my-blog/images/inmdamamazon.htm/a
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2011-08-22 Thread yuva raj

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2011-08-20 Thread Dinesh
Hello sir/mam,
 i'm need to setup a private cloud...no one is aware
of that in my collegegot information that using eucalyptus as
middle-ware software we can configure cloud in linux..it is too
difficult for me too install thatplz help me out.
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2011-08-03 Thread Gopi M
I try to make a kernel compilation on ubuntu. 

I created the virtual image then what will i do the next step. i dont know?
 
Please can anyone help me?
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2011-07-08 Thread Sathishkumar M
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2011-06-08 Thread sundar raj
Dear All,

  I am Sundar currently working as FMS support engineer at
tirunelveli location.
I am new to linux and i would like to involve myself in any projects
like (setting foss lab)
in arround these place(tirunelveli ,nagecoil,tuticorin) to lear or
improve myself .
Kindly do the needful.


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2011-05-20 Thread ramesh kumar

please help
 fedora linux 12  in k12linux live server projects 
configuration method 


live cd k12linux mounting method and configuration 
  
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2011-04-03 Thread பத்மநாதன்
  hi,
I have limited bsnl broadband account,

To check datausage from bsnl i have
to go to this site http://selfcare.sdc.bsnl.co.in. The problem is this site
work only in internet explorer, I have tried to install old internet
explorer but its not working. Help me to access this site from ubuntu.

Regards,
Balaji sivanath
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2011-04-03 Thread பத்மநாதன்
  hi,
I have limited bsnl broadband account,

Now a days, Everyone gives data limit. :-)

 to check datausage from bsnl i have to go to this site 
 http://selfcare.sdc.bsnl.co.in. The problem is this site work only in 
 internet explorer, I have tried to install old internet
explorer but its not working. Help me to access this site from ubuntu.

Network monitor gives enough data usage for
every usage ( present session only) in Ubuntu and debian. I am using
this, try it. If you are using BSNL Broad and, then try 'DataFox'
add-on. Very nice one. It displays usage on  bottom of the browser
with time graph.


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2011-03-23 Thread karthi keyan
I need the information  how  to go  suse linuxin single user mode
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2011-01-11 Thread madhavan raghavan
hi everyone ,

  I am final year student from SRM , I got placed in a
leading services company , But i do not wanna work there as job at
services companies are monotonous , can you people suggest me some
good product companies to start my career with .


Regards
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2011-01-04 Thread valar
i like to subscribe

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2010-09-23 Thread arockiya selva
hi friends,
 i am new to linux and i want to learn programming languages in linux.so can
you suggest which one is best for me, note that i am an engineering student.
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2010-08-26 Thread durga devi
Dear ILUG Members,

  I am new to ubuntu.
 Tell me how to install simplejson 2.1.1
I need to install Simplejson for Cassandra admin GUI client

   For that I install chiton while running

   du...@sybrant-desktop:~cassandra_admin_GUI/driftx-chiton-bd91965/bin$
./chiton-client
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File ./chiton-client, line 6, in module
from chiton.viewer import ChitonViewer
ImportError: No module named chiton.viewer

I also set the PYHTONPATH=/usr/local/lib/python2.6


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2010-08-23 Thread durga devi
Dear ILUG members,

   I am new to Linux and ILUGC

From this link http://tinyurl.com/24gdgkv   http://tinyurl.com/24gdgkv
I set the PYHTONPATH as  export
PYTHONPATH=/home/durga/driftx-Telephus-fb32fc7/:/home/durga/driftx-chiton-bd91965/:/usr/bin/python/
And i run the  /driftx-chiton-bd91965/bin/./chiton-client

I had the following Problem http://pastebin.com/29T12wef

 I am unble to sort out where this problem is occurring while in
 installation.

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2010-07-19 Thread Prem Kurian Philip
 From: sivaji j.g sivaji2...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Ilugc] [Tamil] ???   ???
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 tamil are correct. For example if you look at fsm.co.in - which is a
 business
 website run by the 'Tamil heroes' on this list, you will understand how
 much
 love they have for Tamil. I will continue to post in Tamil lists.


 I usually ignore your mails because they are often impatient, immature and
 aggressive, this one is not an exception.

 FSM is run by a well known person in this list, often recognized for his
 FOSS Tamil computing contribution, you can't deny that of course he is a
 hero in that context.

 I request you not to mess up personal interest with business.

 In short you seem to lack the maturity of expressing thougths in a right
 way. Your earlier post confirms the same.

Please avoid insulting people on this list. If you are so worked up about
this, please do communicate with Kg directly. Your opinion on Kg isn't so
important that the entire world needs to know.

Regards,
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Re: [Ilugc] (no subject)

2010-07-19 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Monday 19 July 2010 17:19:23 Prem Kurian Philip wrote:
  In short you seem to lack the maturity of expressing thougths in a right
  way. Your earlier post confirms the same.
 
 Please avoid insulting people on this list. If you are so worked up about
 this, please do communicate with Kg directly. Your opinion on Kg isn't so
 important that the entire world needs to know.
 

not a problem - anyway I did not see the mail as it went to /dev/null
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2010-07-12 Thread kango gopal madhwaraj
Dear All,

Where can I get information ( white papers ) about the following

a) How is open source software developed when compared to traditional
   software development ( commercial development )
b) How are open source projects designed when compared to traditional   
   software ( Design differences between open and closed systems )
c) How is maintenance carried out in open source projects when compared to 
   traditional software

Please help me where good papers or current work on this is going on.

Thanking you,

Madhwaraj



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2010-07-12 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Monday 12 July 2010 11:37:51 kango gopal madhwaraj wrote:
 here can I get information ( white papers ) about the following
 
 a) How is open source software developed when compared to traditional
software development ( commercial development )
 b) How are open source projects designed when compared to traditional   
software ( Design differences between open and closed systems )
 c) How is maintenance carried out in open source projects when compared to 
traditional software
 
 Please help me where good papers or current work on this is going on.
 

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2010-06-09 Thread kannan krishnamurthy
Hi

I have installed the astaro software (UTM) in my work place In my work as one 
of the VMs.

Iam having 2 on board NIC's and one pci broadcom NIC total 3 NICs.

In my work place we are having 5 different types of network say for example a) 
for full browsing (research systems (192.168.1.x)), b) LAN  (192.168.100.x 
Restricted sites are allowed), c) Accounts department (192.168.20.x), d) Wifi 
(192.168.50.x)

Now i do not have any managed switches in my office.

a) I want to do VLAN for my LAN users and accounts depart.
b) I want to give restricted browsing for LAN and Accounts (same as what sites 
are allowed to Lan users will have access to accounts users). But accounts and 
LAN users will have different segments.
c) Wifi users will have no restrictions on the browsing and it will not come 
into LAN, browsing or accounts.

I want to configure this in astaro. I am able to ping from my system to astaro 
but iam unable to browse.

Can you please help me in this,

Thanks in advance.


KANNAN.A.K.


  

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2010-03-31 Thread himesh ragu
hi, i want to know how to connect mobile broad band in kubuntu 9.10...

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2010-03-31 Thread Hrishikesh Murali
Hi,

On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 9:32 PM, himesh ragu himesh.r...@gmail.com wrote:

 hi, i want to know how to connect mobile broad band in kubuntu 9.10...


Be a little more specific in your questions.
- Which company is the mobile broadband device?
- Have you googled for the answer before asking here?

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2010-03-31 Thread aishwarya .
On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 9:32 PM, himesh ragu himesh.r...@gmail.com wrote:

 hi, i want to know how to connect mobile broad band in kubuntu 9.10...


Read the mailing list guidelines, there should be a specific SUBJECT for
your mail

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[Ilugc] FOSS subject adoption!

2010-01-12 Thread benedict nicholas
Dear friends,

I just want to know some statistical data which I believe NRCFOSS and others 
can provide me for sharing with my higher-ups who have enquired with me.

1. NRCFOSS's FOSS Elective has been adopted by how many colleges and 
Universities in  India?
2. Is FOSS subject, a part of curriculum in Colleges/Universities abroad?

With regards,
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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS subject adoption!

2010-01-12 Thread Aanjhan R
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 9:19 PM, benedict nicholas
benedictnicho...@yahoo.com wrote:
 2. Is FOSS subject, a part of curriculum in Colleges/Universities abroad?

In universities abroad, generally there is no separate subject/course
teaching Open Source. However, people encourage / use a number of
open-source tools/applications (e.g. moodle, mediawiki, *nix) for
their regular courses (I am yet to see a lab/univ using turboC ;) ).
They also strive to open-source whatever work they produce from their
research. In fact , off-late there are a number of research groups who
push themselves to publish reproducible results; i.e. one can pick up
their tools, code and some platform details and reproduce the results
in-order to facilitate improvements by other research groups around
the globe.

Some university have Open Source labs like http://open.utoronto.ca/
and http://osuosl.org/

There might be _very_ special(ised) cases where they have a separate
course titled Free and Open Source Software. I am not aware of many.

Hope that helps.

Regards,
Aanjhan
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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS subject adoption!

2010-01-12 Thread Sri Ramadoss M
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 1:49 AM, benedict nicholas
benedictnicho...@yahoo.com wrote:
 2. Is FOSS subject, a part of curriculum in Colleges/Universities abroad?

I have personally witnessed, UniSIM of Singapore offering a
specialized course on Free  Open Source.

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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS subject adoption!

2010-01-12 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Wednesday 13 Jan 2010 1:49:56 am benedict nicholas wrote:
 I just want to know some statistical data which I believe NRCFOSS and
  others can provide me for sharing with my higher-ups who have enquired
  with me.
 
 1. NRCFOSS's FOSS Elective has been adopted by how many colleges and
  Universities in  India?

http://www.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in/list/
  2. Is FOSS subject, a part of curriculum in
  Colleges/Universities abroad?

better universities abroad go for concept based education rather than tool 
based education. So the idea of FOSS as such does not enter. However many 
countries in the European Union are working on FOSS syllabi. 


 

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2010-01-05 Thread nagaraj naga
hi 
 
 
 how to lock the properties in panel for users. and how to disable the desktop 
background. 
 
 


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2010-01-05 Thread Mehul Ved
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 3:59 PM, nagaraj naga naga_kis...@yahoo.co.in wrote:
 hi


  how to lock the properties in panel for users. and how to disable the 
 desktop background.

Search for pessulus and sabayon. Here I am assuming you are using
GNOME because from your description it sounds to me that you are using
GNOME.
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2009-12-08 Thread Dister Kemp
Vagmim,
Great analysis.

Opensource is all great, but still I hope you do acknowledge
the fact that big names like M$, Oracle, Sun (well.. now Oracle)
dominate the space as well. So certification is a value-addition
in some sense.

-D


On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Vagmi Mudumbai vagmi.mudum...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi Mathivanan,

 You should first understand how certifications work from the
 perspective of a vendor who offers such certification say Microsoft,
 Redhat or SAP. The vendor has an economic interest in selling his
 product to a company. The company which buys a product (or a service
 in case of Redhat) wants to know if the product/service they buy can
 be used by people they are going to employ. This is where the
 brilliance of marketing sets in.

 They con the students and candidates in the job market that there are
 several jobs awaiting them if only clear the certification in their
 technology. They then go and talk to all the colleges and institutes
 like NIIT and convince them to market the certification and giving
 them the necessary materials to make it a course. They then contact
 book authors who fill in pages and pages with mind numbing facts about
 the technology. The institute in the meanwhile has started tailoring a
 course to and claims that it can get you from a dud to a certified
 professional in 3 months. As with any statistical distribution in a
 country with a billion people, a sizable few take up the
 certifications. The first few batches are always tough. Only the good
 guys clear the first 3 or 4 batches. But good guys like to share
 knowledge. So they share the dumps with the world.

 The vendor does nothing to oppose this as they need that pool of
 skills in the market. After they have got enough number of people with
 the piece of paper with the name of the vendor and a printed signature
 of the CEO/founder of the company, the marketing department gets busy
 making powerpoint slides. The slides have graph of stating the number
 of people who have finished the certification and how easy it would be
 for their customers to find the right skills. And since the numbers
 (supply) are aplenty and the licensed customers are a few (demand), by
 the laws of economics, they should have no problem in finding people
 with the right skills (and a cheap pay).

 The mindless HR then goes and recruits people with certifications.
 So if you notice, if you are a good candidate, you can lower your
 value just by getting certified. There are alternative means to
 improve your employability. You can start contributing to open source
 for a start. Do not pick difficult projects. If you cannot find a
 project, try building something. Try creating a simple webapp or a
 game. I am seeing too many freshers with Biometric AI-Driven Neural
 Network Enabled Grid Based Path Finding World Domination Engine on
 their resumes. And they want me to believe that they did it in 3
 months without being able to write fizz buzz in their favorite
 language.

 As an employer myself, I would recommend you to do the following. Take
 up a small project. A small pong game or a simple webapp that solves
 your problem and document all your learnings in a blog. This will make
 you a better writer and a better programmer. Use open source
 technologies. Apart from being the best choice in terms of freedoms
 that you get, you also get to interact directly with better
 programmers in mailing lists like these.

 To pioneer a change, I, on behalf of Artha42 (http://www.artha42.com),
 am ready mentor a select group of students every year. Your work will
 be entirely open sourced. I promise that you will not write a single
 line of proprietary code. That said, we are not google. We are a small
 startup with limited resources. We cannot hold something as large as
 the Google Summer of Code. But we can do something smaller. If you are
 interested in such an internship opportunity, do drop in a line to
 careers at artha42 dot com.

 Regards,
 Vagmi

 http://blog.vagmim.com

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 make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies. And the
 other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious
 deficiencies. C.A.R. Hoare.
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2009-12-08 Thread Vagmi Mudumbai
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 7:36 PM, Dister Kemp dister.k...@gmail.com wrote:
 Vagmim,
    Great analysis.

Thanks a lot.

 Opensource is all great, but still I hope you do acknowledge
 the fact that big names like M$, Oracle, Sun (well.. now Oracle)
 dominate the space as well. So certification is a value-addition
 in some sense.


Agreed. I am just trying to explain the economics behind it. But tell
me. If you are hiring, which do you think is better? A guy with an
active blog about his experiences and learnings of whatever technology
he is working on or a guy who just has a certificate on his resume.
The problem is that there are so many people doing certifications the
wrong way (read dumps) that the marginal value of the certificate is
close to zero. One other reason why most certifications are multiple
choice questions is that the test can be cheaply administered to a
large number of candidates. The marginal cost for the organization to
hand out yet another certificate is the cost to store your certificate
details and the printout of the certificate they give. In contrast,
you pay several tens of thousands to get that database entry and a
printed parchment. You must understand that certification is a viable
and profitable revenue source for a company like MS/Oracle/Sun. They
will never tell you that their certificates are worthless.

You might gain some knowledge by preparing for such a test but you do
not have to pay them that money. You can use that knowledge in
building something on your own and sharing your experience via a blog.
All the companies that you mentioned above are critically aware that
developers and administrators are the backbone of their ecosystem. All
of them give away free versions of their software under educational
license. Even Microsoft has dirt cheap/free student licenses. Oracle
gives away their database for free for personal use. Solaris and the
Java stack is free for developers.

There is nothing that justifies a high price for the certification.
Now coming to the choice of technologies, let me put forth this
argument. Why would you want to get certified in Java/Sun/Oracle? You
want to be employed by one of the companies using these products. You
have to get into the minds of the managers who buy such products.
These products clearly cost more and are harder to customize. ASP.NET
begets with it the entire stack. I have seen companies who think ah..
IIS is free until they find the need to configure DNS and active
directory and SQL Server licensing limitations. They are ready to bear
the cost because they know that they can get cheap developers and
admins to offset the cost on the license. Consequently, most of the
ASP.NET sites are crap. Not because the technology is inferior but the
marketing machinery is optimized for targeting the largest section of
the market. This in other words is called mediocrity. It is a
fail-fail for everyone. MS fails as people know that asp.net sites are
very maintenance heavy. The client fails to get a quality solution and
vendor is stuck forever with mediocre people. Every one of the company
you mentioned above targets this segment of the market. All I ask of
is for people to realize this.

We are hackers and we like to create things. That is what gives us
satisfaction. And building things requires you to focus single
handedly on that task. This is the discipline that is most required
out of current generation of students. They need to focus on one
project, use all the resources that they can exploit and finish it.
This is way harder than it sounds and thats why many people do not do
it. This is why I made the offer of being a mentor. I can help them to
focus and provide them with the resources with the best of my
abilities. Basically I want to find smart people and train them on how
to get things done.

My intentions are not entirely altruistic. I do have a selfish motive
behind this. I would be able to identify good candidates in this
process and can build my team. The interns get to work on a real
project and show it to the world. It is a win-win situation.

 -D

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2009-12-08 Thread Yogesh
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 8:45 PM, Vagmi Mudumbai vagmi.mudum...@gmail.comwrote:

 If you are hiring, which do you think is better? A guy with an
 active blog about his experiences and learnings of whatever technology
 he is working on or a guy who just has a certificate on his resume.


 The guy with an active blog.

you pay several tens of thousands to get that database entry and a
 printed parchment. You must understand that certification is a viable
 and profitable revenue source for a company like MS/Oracle/Sun. They
 will never tell you that their certificates are worthless.


True. But how do I find out how good I am? How do i gauge my skills if I am
to work for a professional organization dealing with Linux ?

certifications?? vendor lock-in...


http://lpi.org - Yes, I know it's expensive ( 160USD - 260USD) but Vendor
neutral


   We are hackers and we like to create things.


Reinventing the wheel is not a good idea ;-) so improvise things 

And building things requires you to focus single handedly on that task.
 They need to focus on one project, use all the resources that they can
 exploit and finish it. This is way harder than it sounds and thats why many
 people do not do
 it.

Agreed..
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Re: [Ilugc] (no subject)

2009-12-08 Thread Gourav Shah
i have interested to write unix based certifications. which is the best one

 certification for today and future. plz tell me.


I would suggest LPI certifications, which are vendor neutral.
http://www.lpi.org/

thanks
gourav
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2009-12-07 Thread Mathivanan
Hi,
i have interested to write unix based certifications. which is the best one
certification for today and future. plz tell me.

thanks
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Re: [Ilugc] (no subject)

2009-12-07 Thread Ravi Jaya
Hi,
 i have interested to write unix based certifications.

Great, Please let we know which flavor of UNIX your are interested in
AIX, HPUX, Solaris, ...


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2009-12-07 Thread Vagmi Mudumbai
Hi Mathivanan,

You should first understand how certifications work from the
perspective of a vendor who offers such certification say Microsoft,
Redhat or SAP. The vendor has an economic interest in selling his
product to a company. The company which buys a product (or a service
in case of Redhat) wants to know if the product/service they buy can
be used by people they are going to employ. This is where the
brilliance of marketing sets in.

They con the students and candidates in the job market that there are
several jobs awaiting them if only clear the certification in their
technology. They then go and talk to all the colleges and institutes
like NIIT and convince them to market the certification and giving
them the necessary materials to make it a course. They then contact
book authors who fill in pages and pages with mind numbing facts about
the technology. The institute in the meanwhile has started tailoring a
course to and claims that it can get you from a dud to a certified
professional in 3 months. As with any statistical distribution in a
country with a billion people, a sizable few take up the
certifications. The first few batches are always tough. Only the good
guys clear the first 3 or 4 batches. But good guys like to share
knowledge. So they share the dumps with the world.

The vendor does nothing to oppose this as they need that pool of
skills in the market. After they have got enough number of people with
the piece of paper with the name of the vendor and a printed signature
of the CEO/founder of the company, the marketing department gets busy
making powerpoint slides. The slides have graph of stating the number
of people who have finished the certification and how easy it would be
for their customers to find the right skills. And since the numbers
(supply) are aplenty and the licensed customers are a few (demand), by
the laws of economics, they should have no problem in finding people
with the right skills (and a cheap pay).

The mindless HR then goes and recruits people with certifications.
So if you notice, if you are a good candidate, you can lower your
value just by getting certified. There are alternative means to
improve your employability. You can start contributing to open source
for a start. Do not pick difficult projects. If you cannot find a
project, try building something. Try creating a simple webapp or a
game. I am seeing too many freshers with Biometric AI-Driven Neural
Network Enabled Grid Based Path Finding World Domination Engine on
their resumes. And they want me to believe that they did it in 3
months without being able to write fizz buzz in their favorite
language.

As an employer myself, I would recommend you to do the following. Take
up a small project. A small pong game or a simple webapp that solves
your problem and document all your learnings in a blog. This will make
you a better writer and a better programmer. Use open source
technologies. Apart from being the best choice in terms of freedoms
that you get, you also get to interact directly with better
programmers in mailing lists like these.

To pioneer a change, I, on behalf of Artha42 (http://www.artha42.com),
am ready mentor a select group of students every year. Your work will
be entirely open sourced. I promise that you will not write a single
line of proprietary code. That said, we are not google. We are a small
startup with limited resources. We cannot hold something as large as
the Google Summer of Code. But we can do something smaller. If you are
interested in such an internship opportunity, do drop in a line to
careers at artha42 dot com.

Regards,
Vagmi

http://blog.vagmim.com

“There are two ways of constructing a software design. One way is to
make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies. And the
other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious
deficiencies. C.A.R. Hoare.
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2009-12-04 Thread saravanan ganesan
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Re: [Ilugc] (no subject) Plone.

2009-09-12 Thread Dhakshina Moorthy K.M.

Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 08:36:22 +0530
From: Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com
Subject: Re: [Ilugc] (no subject)
 if you want to customise, forget plone. But it is good for quick and dirty
sites where you can leave the hard work for the user.

Not exactly true.
I as a lay user could install plone with multi instance zope on our intranet 
without a hitch.
I am yet to come across an addon like reflecto.

Dhakshina Moorthy,K.M.

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Re: [Ilugc] (no subject)

2009-09-12 Thread Selvakumar Rajeswaran
- Original Message 

From: Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com
To: ILUG-C ilugc@ae.iitm.ac.in
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 4:54:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Ilugc] (no subject)


we are waiting for you to suggest a suitable subject - or maybe we are just 
talking about nothing?

The best place to talk about nothing is to create a seperate mailing list like 
nothing user group [nug] or talk nothing group [tng].

If any volunteers create such new group pls inform me to my private email id 
(not ilugc) so that I would also subscribe to that [nug] or [tng].

And there we can possibly talk something usefully nothing.

Thanks,
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Re: [Ilugc] (no subject)

2009-09-11 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Friday 11 Sep 2009 11:27:22 am anthoni wrote:
 Prem Kurian Philip wrote:
  If you prefer using Python and like more speed, you can look at the
  upcoming Cobra language.
  http://cobra-language.com/docs/python/

 Brilliant!

 Cobra seems to have just those things I miss in Python.
 Hope it gets as popular as Python.
 Go Cobra!

what about batteries? does it have the number of batteries built in and third 
party modules that python has?
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Re: [Ilugc] (no subject)

2009-09-11 Thread Anthoni Shogan

Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:

On Friday 11 Sep 2009 11:27:22 am anthoni wrote:
  

Prem Kurian Philip wrote:


If you prefer using Python and like more speed, you can look at the
upcoming Cobra language.
http://cobra-language.com/docs/python/
  

Brilliant!

Cobra seems to have just those things I miss in Python.
Hope it gets as popular as Python.
Go Cobra!



what about batteries? does it have the number of batteries built in and third 
party modules that python has?
  
I seriously doubt that and from the web site I couldn't find anything 
regarding this.

As of now the language itself is very young.
I hope as the language matures batteries will get added eventually.

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Re: [Ilugc] (no subject)

2009-09-11 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Friday 11 Sep 2009 12:10:00 pm Anthoni Shogan wrote:
  what about batteries? does it have the number of batteries built in and
  third party modules that python has?
   

 I seriously doubt that and from the web site I couldn't find anything
 regarding this.
 As of now the language itself is very young.
 I hope as the language matures batteries will get added eventually.

some years ago a lot people I respect were trying to get me to shift to Ruby, 
but with out sufficient batteries included, I decided not to shift.
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Re: [Ilugc] (no subject)

2009-09-11 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Friday 11 Sep 2009 1:16:04 pm Mano wrote:
  some years ago a lot people I respect were trying to get me to shift to
  Ruby,
  but with out sufficient batteries included, I decided not to shift.

 Toys can make do with batteries. Production apps need custom designed power
 plants ;-)

 I think your position here is opposing your position on using a CMS for
 ilugc site!!

in what way?
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Re: [Ilugc] (no subject) Prem Kurian Pls have some meaningfull subject line

2009-09-11 Thread Selvakumar Rajeswaran
Prem Kurian Philip

Pls have some meaningfull subject line instead of (no subject).

Thanks,
Selvakumar



- Original Message 
From: Prem Kurian Philip p...@songbirdtech.com
To: ilugc@ae.iitm.ac.in
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 8:24:46 PM
Subject: [Ilugc] (no subject)

Kg,

Since we are on the topic of frameworks, have you looked at Scala and the
Lift Framework? What I find amazing is the performance - it is on par or
slightly faster than plain Java on many benchmarks. To put that in
perspective, it is several times faster than groovy, ruby and python. This
is because scala runs directly on the JVM.

Take a look:
http://liftweb.net/

By the way, I have done considerable programming on python and have used
plone. Fact is, I have used plone to run our own intranet here at
Songbird. I think it is an excellent framework - but a bit complicated to
customize.

If you prefer using Python and like more speed, you can look at the
upcoming Cobra language.
http://cobra-language.com/docs/python/

They are porting this to work over the jvm as well. May be interesting to
port Django over to use Cobra. Cobra and python are similar enough and so
it may not be that difficult.

Regards,
Prem



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Re: [Ilugc] (no subject) Prem Kurian Pls have some meaningfull subject line

2009-09-11 Thread Arun SAG
Mr. Selvakumar Rajeswaran ,

On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Selvakumar Rajeswaran
selva_...@yahoo.comwrote:

 Prem Kurian Philip

 Pls have some meaningfull subject line instead of (no subject).


Please do not top post :)
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Re: Re: [Ilugc] (no subject)

2009-09-11 Thread Prem Kurian Philip
From: Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com

 Cobra seems to have just those things I miss in Python.
 Hope it gets as popular as Python.
 Go Cobra!

what about batteries? does it have the number of batteries built in and
third party modules that python has?

Unfortunately no. No batteries are provided and it has to be hand cranked
for now :)

The language is still quite young - but because it runs on .NET/Mono (and
is being ported to JVM), it should be possible to use the .NET or the Java
libraries.

IMPORTANT NOTICE: This is just a guess. I haven't actually used Cobra yet.
What I like about Cobra is the fact that it is very similar to python but
really fast, has built-in unit testing support, does not have the awful
self parameter needed in python, catches typos at compile time rather
than run time etc.

By the way, Scala can use any java library - Spring framework, hibernate
etc. Scala is quite similar to Cobra.

Regards,
Prem


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Re: [Ilugc] (no subject) Prem Kurian Pls have some meaningfull subject line

2009-09-11 Thread Prem Kurian Philip
From: Selvakumar Rajeswaran selva_...@yahoo.com

Pls have some meaningfull subject line instead of (no subject).

Apologies. It was actually a mistake. I noticed that I hadn't filled in
the subject only after I had already sent the email.

Regards,
Prem



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Re: [Ilugc] (no subject)

2009-09-11 Thread Rajagopal Swaminathan
What exactly is the subject of this thread???

I have lost track of this discussion.

I find it strange that in a list where every newcomer is sermoned  to
read a thousand words before posting to list and a whole thread goes
on without a subject line!

Regards

Rajagopal
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Re: [Ilugc] (no subject)

2009-09-11 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Saturday 12 Sep 2009 12:19:17 am Rajagopal Swaminathan wrote:
 I find it strange that in a list where every newcomer is sermoned  to
 read a thousand words before posting to list and a whole thread goes
 on without a subject line!

we are waiting for you to suggest a suitable subject - or maybe we are just 
talking about nothing?
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Re: [Ilugc] (no subject) Prem Kurian Pls have some meaningfull subject line

2009-09-11 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Friday 11 Sep 2009 3:16:44 pm Prem Kurian Philip wrote:
 From: Selvakumar Rajeswaran selva_...@yahoo.com

 Pls have some meaningfull subject line instead of (no subject).

 Apologies. It was actually a mistake. I noticed that I hadn't filled in
 the subject only after I had already sent the email.

doesnt the mail client barf when there is no subject?
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[Ilugc] (no subject)

2009-09-10 Thread Prem Kurian Philip

 As these CMSs are more frequently used, attacks against these CMSs will
 also be higher and also also the people working on fixing these holes -
 which is why you see lot more security patches in the more popular CMSs.

plone is a very widely used CMS - where are the security patches? I do not
think their site even has a security page, feed or mailing list. So the
logic is flawed

There is no such thing as a software without vulnerability. Even OpenBSD
has had a few vulnerabilities over the years.

Anyway, here is plone's page:
http://dev.plone.org/plone/search?q=vulnerabilitynoquickjump=1ticket=onchangeset=onmilestone=onwiki=on

I have given vulnerability as the search word. Please try using any of
the others such as security etc.

Also, since Plone is based on Zope, zope's vulnerabilities affect plone as
well. Finding zope's bug reporting page for security vulnerabilities is
left as an exercise for the reader :)

Regards,
Prem



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Re: [Ilugc] (no subject)

2009-09-10 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Thursday 10 Sep 2009 6:06:44 pm Prem Kurian Philip wrote:
  As these CMSs are more frequently used, attacks against these CMSs will
  also be higher and also also the people working on fixing these holes -
  which is why you see lot more security patches in the more popular CMSs.
 
 plone is a very widely used CMS - where are the security patches? I do not
 think their site even has a security page, feed or mailing list. So the
 logic is flawed

 There is no such thing as a software without vulnerability. Even OpenBSD
 has had a few vulnerabilities over the years.

true - but when using good software one can comfortably sleep at night.

 Anyway, here is plone's page:
 http://dev.plone.org/plone/search?q=vulnerabilitynoquickjump=1ticket=onc
hangeset=onmilestone=onwiki=on

stunning - 10 holes in 4 years as compared to 63 in drupal for 2009 alone. And 
looking at the 'holes' in plone, I do not see anything mission critical

 I have given vulnerability as the search word. Please try using any of
 the others such as security etc.

 Also, since Plone is based on Zope, zope's vulnerabilities affect plone as
 well. Finding zope's bug reporting page for security vulnerabilities is
 left as an exercise for the reader :)

actually, Zope is so paranoid about security that even an admin would find it 
difficult to crack it ;-)

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Re: [Ilugc] (no subject)

2009-09-10 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Thursday 10 Sep 2009 8:24:46 pm Prem Kurian Philip wrote:
 Since we are on the topic of frameworks, have you looked at Scala and the
 Lift Framework? What I find amazing is the performance - it is on par or
 slightly faster than plain Java on many benchmarks. To put that in
 perspective, it is several times faster than groovy, ruby and python. This
 is because scala runs directly on the JVM.

 Take a look:
 http://liftweb.net/

frankly I am too old to learn a new language, and am happy with django and 
python

 By the way, I have done considerable programming on python and have used
 plone. Fact is, I have used plone to run our own intranet here at
 Songbird. I think it is an excellent framework - but a bit complicated to
 customize.

if you want to customise, forget plone. But it is good for quick and dirty 
sites where you can leave the hard work for the user. Another nice thing is 
that you just need one plone installation per server - you can create multiple 
plone sites and manage the domains with the VHM. And if you upgrade, you just 
need to upgrade one installation. As far as I can see, drupal requires a 
separate copy for each site - I may be wrong. If I am right, then running 10 
sites on the server and making 50 hot fixes in 2009 - I will be doing 500 
separate maintainance upgrades in a period of 9 months! I will need to hire an 
engineer just to do this. The same 10 sites could run on one install of django 
- which can be upgraded with a simple 'svn up' - and that can be put in cron 
and run once a month or so. So I would conclude that drupal is a good tool for 
an enlightened end user who just running one or two sites - but not an option 
for a professional who is maintaining a large number of sites. I have one app 
running on django on webfaction which is in daily active use - I have not 
visited it or touched it in any way for the last two years.

 If you prefer using Python and like more speed, you can look at the
 upcoming Cobra language.
 http://cobra-language.com/docs/python/

 They are porting this to work over the jvm as well. May be interesting to
 port Django over to use Cobra. Cobra and python are similar enough and so
 it may not be that difficult.

probably some one will do it - I think django is already ported to jython and 
ipython

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Re: Re: [Ilugc] (no subject)

2009-09-10 Thread Prem Kurian Philip
From: Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com

stunning - 10 holes in 4 years as compared to 63 in drupal for 2009
alone. And looking at the 'holes' in plone, I do not see anything
mission critical

Actually, Drupal's bug reporting system accepts bug reports even for third
party modules. Many of those modules are absolutely not needed for the
default install of Drupal and are needed only for some specialised
functionality.

Also, note that those 10 holes are only for plone - if you include bugs in
zope, zopedb etc into the equation, the number grows. If you also include
third party modules, the number becomes even larger.

Regards,
Prem

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Re: [Ilugc] (no subject)

2009-09-10 Thread balachandar muruganantham
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 8:36 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves
law...@thenilgiris.comwrote:


  By the way, I have done considerable programming on python and have used
  plone. Fact is, I have used plone to run our own intranet here at
  Songbird. I think it is an excellent framework - but a bit complicated to
  customize.

 if you want to customise, forget plone. But it is good for quick and dirty
 sites where you can leave the hard work for the user. Another nice thing is
 that you just need one plone installation per server - you can create
 multiple
 plone sites and manage the domains with the VHM. And if you upgrade, you
 just
 need to upgrade one installation. As far as I can see, drupal requires a
 separate copy for each site - I may be wrong. If I am right, then running
 10
 sites on the server and making 50 hot fixes in 2009 -


i think you need to learn about the tool before talking about it. you can
host as many as sites with single drupal source

please check http://drupal.org/getting-started/6/install/multi-site


 I will be doing 500
 separate maintainance upgrades in a period of 9 months! I will need to hire
 an
 engineer just to do this.


you can upgrade just drupal core. if you want site specific modules, that
too is possible. drupal has db upgrade too. hiring a drupal pro is easier
than a django pro if you need. for drupal, you do not need an engineer to do
things.


 The same 10 sites could run on one install of django
 - which can be upgraded with a simple 'svn up' - and that can be put in
 cron
 and run once a month or so.


i wonder how you could do 'svn up' on production site without testing
compatibility with new version.


 So I would conclude that drupal is a good tool for
 an enlightened end user who just running one or two sites - but not an
 option
 for a professional who is maintaining a large number of sites.


you need to understand drupal better. few pointers below
http://recovery.gov/ used drupal - http://buytaert.net/obama-using-drupal
Australian Prime Minister using Drupal http://www.pm.gov.au -
http://buytaert.net/australian-prime-minister-using-drupal


 I have one app
 running on django on webfaction which is in daily active use - I have not
 visited it or touched it in any way for the last two years.


if you have not touched it or visited it, that means no features being added
or you didn't find any bugs.

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Re: [Ilugc] (no subject)

2009-09-10 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Friday 11 Sep 2009 11:03:49 am balachandar muruganantham wrote:
 i wonder how you could do 'svn up' on production site without testing
 compatibility with new version.

obviously by doing svn up on my local machine a few days before the scheduled 
production svn up and checking that nothing is broken - and anyway django 
gives adequate warning whenever a backward incompatible change is going to be 
implemented
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Re: [Ilugc] (no subject)

2009-09-10 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Friday 11 Sep 2009 11:03:49 am balachandar muruganantham wrote:
  need to upgrade one installation. As far as I can see, drupal requires a
  separate copy for each site - I may be wrong. If I am right, then running
  10
  sites on the server and making 50 hot fixes in 2009 -

 i think you need to learn about the tool before talking about it. you can
 host as many as sites with single drupal source

 please check http://drupal.org/getting-started/6/install/multi-site

as mentioned I said that I could be wrong
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Re: [Ilugc] (no subject)

2009-09-10 Thread anthoni

Prem Kurian Philip wrote:

If you prefer using Python and like more speed, you can look at the
upcoming Cobra language.
http://cobra-language.com/docs/python/

Brilliant!

Cobra seems to have just those things I miss in Python.
Hope it gets as popular as Python.
Go Cobra!
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[Ilugc] (no subject)

2009-08-29 Thread Vignesh Nandha kumar
It is so glad to knw abt the kerala govt's plan to give ubuntu
preloaded laptops to MLA's If i am right I think TN govt also
supplied govt schools wit systems having open suse...
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Re: [Ilugc] (no subject)

2009-08-29 Thread Shrinivasan T
Hi,

 It is so glad to knw abt the kerala govt's plan to give ubuntu
 preloaded laptops to MLA's

Yes. Kerala govt does this great job.

Note: please add proper subject in mails.

REad
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[Ilugc] (no subject)

2009-03-09 Thread Ramjee Gmail
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[Ilugc] (no subject)

2009-02-18 Thread K.C. Ramakrishna
selva_...@yahoo.com wrote:
 I wanna make my team interactions, coordinating day-to-day activities, 
 scheduling etc. through web.
 Can anyone pls point me to some effective web service for this.

I think you are looking for basecamp - http://www.basecamphq.com/


  
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[Ilugc] (no subject)

2008-12-22 Thread lakshmi m
i just want know how to upload file store that in database and retrieve from
their and how to store uploaded file in user specified location in php.
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2008-10-09 Thread siva moorthy

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