Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Indian Court Order

2012-06-03 Thread Gaurav Paliwal
Hey,

Does someone know what are all the websites which Indian Court has ordered
> to close down ?
>

Don't know about official full list, but two such list is here :

http://pastehtml.com/view/bywiha3f9.txt
http://kafila.org/2012/05/26/list-of-websites-blocked-in-india/


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Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Indian Court Order

2012-06-03 Thread Girish Venkatachalam
You can setup a VPN connection to a US machine and browse the sites. ;)

On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 1:06 PM, Gaurav  Paliwal
 wrote:
> Hey,
>
> Does someone know what are all the websites which Indian Court has ordered
>> to close down ?
>>
>
> Don't know about official full list, but two such list is here :
>
> http://pastehtml.com/view/bywiha3f9.txt
> http://kafila.org/2012/05/26/list-of-websites-blocked-in-india/
>
>
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Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Indian Court Order

2012-06-03 Thread Balasubramaniam Natarajan
>
> You can setup a VPN connection to a US machine and browse the sites. ;)
>

Being in Security field I need not go that far, however I would love to
know what is the reason behind blocking the same.  I want to be ethical in
what ever I do :-)

If there is a link which states this is the reason why these are blocked I
would love it.

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Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Indian Court Order

2012-06-03 Thread 0
> You can setup a VPN connection to a US machine and browse the sites. ;)
>

Or get BSNL connection :).

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Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Indian Court Order

2012-06-03 Thread Balasubramaniam Natarajan
Does it mean that C0urt_order does not apply to BeeYesNL ?

Or get BSNL connection :).
>
>

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Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Indian Court Order

2012-06-03 Thread Arun Khan
On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 8:54 AM, Girish Venkatachalam
 wrote:
> You can setup a VPN connection to a US machine and browse the sites. ;)

or use a web anonymizer.

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Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Indian Court Order

2012-06-03 Thread 0

> Does it mean that C0urt_order does not apply to BeeYesNL ?
>

AFAIK, They just don't implement it. The person who obtained the order, 
in a way, implements it for their customers and customers of some of 
their competitors. I doubt, they would dare to question BSNL. Of course, 
this is just my opinion.

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Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Indian Court Order

2012-06-03 Thread Mehul Ved
On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 7:14 PM, 0 <0...@0throot.com> wrote:
>
>> Does it mean that C0urt_order does not apply to BeeYesNL ?
>>
>
> AFAIK, They just don't implement it. The person who obtained the order,
> in a way, implements it for their customers and customers of some of
> their competitors. I doubt, they would dare to question BSNL. Of course,
> this is just my opinion.

>From the varying degree of blocking I saw of the sites 2 weeks back, I
am pretty sure it's the ISP who does.
And it makes no sense why ISP will allow third party to touch their
infrastructure to block the sites.
And usually it isn't ISPs who get these court orders sanctioned.
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Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Indian Court Order

2012-06-03 Thread 0

> Well in the recent case, there was an court order obtained by
> copyrightlabs and it has been implemented by all ISPs including BSNL
> and MTNL. In fact ISPs like Reliance and Airtel have removed the bans
> but MTNL atleast still continues.
> See 
> http://www.medianama.com/2012/03/223-producers-of-tamil-film-3-get-court-order-making-isps-responsible-for-checking-piracy/
> And these stupid ISPs pretty much blocked whole of legal sites like
> pastebin, again it still continues on my MTNL connection.
>

I guess, these ISPs have just gone wild and blocked a lot of things even 
the ones not in the court order. Apparently, as per the hindu article, 
this is a mistake and was not intended.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/chennai/article3429836.ece

"Harish Ram, CEO, Copyright Labs, hired by producers of the movie 3, R K 
Productions Private Limited, for the online anti-piracy management of 
the movie, said that the ISPs had misinterpreted the order. “Instead of 
blocking specific URLs that were screening the movie, they blocked the 
whole sites,” he said.."

I wonder if there is a clause in the court order to remove the block 
after a specific period of time. IMO, the ISPs might just forget to 
remove the block and its us who face problems in the end.

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Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Indian Court Order

2012-06-04 Thread Arun Khan
On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 11:43 PM, Mehul Ved  wrote:
> And these stupid ISPs pretty much blocked whole of legal sites like
> pastebin, again it still continues on my MTNL connection.

My web site has been subjected to this kind of blockage both from Tata
and MTNL.

At first I thought my site was down but it was accessible through
Anonymizers and to friends and colleagues in Europe, North America.
No response to trouble ticket @ Tata and with MTNL no expectation that
they will understand the problem.

Fortunately, in my case I had already planned to move the content to
another hosting company - it just happened 2 weeks sooner than
planned.

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Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Indian Court Order

2012-06-04 Thread ARUN PALANIAPPAN
I think that all have not been blocked...
Still, few are opening!

2012/6/4 Arun Khan 

> On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 11:43 PM, Mehul Ved  wrote:
> > And these stupid ISPs pretty much blocked whole of legal sites like
> > pastebin, again it still continues on my MTNL connection.
>
> My web site has been subjected to this kind of blockage both from Tata
> and MTNL.
>
> At first I thought my site was down but it was accessible through
> Anonymizers and to friends and colleagues in Europe, North America.
> No response to trouble ticket @ Tata and with MTNL no expectation that
> they will understand the problem.
>
> Fortunately, in my case I had already planned to move the content to
> another hosting company - it just happened 2 weeks sooner than
> planned.
>
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Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Indian Court Order

2012-06-05 Thread Raja Subramanian
On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Girish Venkatachalam
 wrote:
>
> You can setup a VPN connection to a US machine and browse the sites. ;)

VPN not needed. If you have shell access to an external machine
you can use SSH port forwarding and configure it as a SOCKS
proxy in your browser.

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Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Indian Court Order

2012-06-05 Thread Manokaran K
There was this recent uproar about Reliance.

The following is a snippet from India anon ops press conf:

[14:38] The target ISP was Reliance.
[14:38] And we got the entire list of the blocked sites from them.
[14:38] And guess what it contained.
[14:39] It contained the list of all Government blocked sites.
[14:39] but it contained more too,
[14:40] It contained sites and URL that neither the public not the
Government has even heard of.
[14:40] Example is : links linking to search results and blogs on SATISH
SETH
[14:41] who was an executive in reliance, for some reason reliance had to
block him [ Of course for PROFIT REASONS]

I read somewhere they had even briefly blocked all blogs of the striking
pilots of Air India! I think this was because the govt leaned on them. I
wouldn't  be surprised if the other ISPs also obliged.

More here:
http://www.medianama.com/2012/05/223-anonymous-india-protest-reliance/

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Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Indian Court Order

2012-06-05 Thread kenneth gonsalves
On Tue, 2012-06-05 at 16:26 +0530, Raja Subramanian wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Girish Venkatachalam
>  wrote:
> >
> > You can setup a VPN connection to a US machine and browse the
> sites. ;)
> 
> VPN not needed. If you have shell access to an external machine
> you can use SSH port forwarding and configure it as a SOCKS
> proxy in your browser. 

which port number would one have to forward?
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Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Indian Court Order

2012-06-05 Thread Raja Subramanian
On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 4:38 PM, kenneth gonsalves
 wrote:
> which port number would one have to forward?

On your local desktop, run

ssh -D 8080 shell.example.org

and set your browser's proxy to SOCKS localhost 8080.

http://www.debian-administration.org/article/SSH_dynamic_port_forwarding_with_SOCKS

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Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Indian Court Order

2012-06-05 Thread kenneth gonsalves
On Tue, 2012-06-05 at 16:49 +0530, Raja Subramanian wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 4:38 PM, kenneth gonsalves
>  wrote:
> > which port number would one have to forward?
> 
> On your local desktop, run
> 
> ssh -D 8080 shell.example.org
> 
> and set your browser's proxy to SOCKS localhost 8080. 

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Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Indian Court Order

2012-06-07 Thread Deepak Babu
On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 6:05 PM, kenneth gonsalves wrote:

> On Tue, 2012-06-05 at 16:49 +0530, Raja Subramanian wrote:
> > On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 4:38 PM, kenneth gonsalves
> >  wrote:
> > > which port number would one have to forward?
> >
> > On your local desktop, run
> >
> > ssh -D 8080 shell.example.org
> >
> > and set your browser's proxy to SOCKS localhost 8080.
>
>
Well, I use this: https://www.torproject.org/ (Anonymity Online: Protect
your privacy. Defend yourself against network surveillance and traffic
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Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Indian Court Order

2012-06-07 Thread Raja Subramanian
On Jun 7, 2012 6:18 PM, "Deepak Babu"  wrote:
>
> Well, I use this: https://www.torproject.org/ (Anonymity Online: Protect
> your privacy. Defend yourself against network surveillance and traffic
> analysis. )

My advise is to never use tor. It is used for lot of illegal activity and
heavily monitored by law enforcement. You become guilty by association.

Running tor in any enterprise network will set off several security
triggers. You will have a lot of explaining to do.

It's not worth the risk.

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Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Indian Court Order

2012-06-08 Thread Yogesh Girikumar
On 7 June 2012 18:31, Raja Subramanian  wrote:

> My advise is to never use tor. It is used for lot of illegal activity and
> heavily monitored by law enforcement. You become guilty by association.

I don't agree.. what do you mean by a lot of illegal activity? The
thread so far has been about "illegally" accessing sites that are
blocked in India.. :) I don't see your point here.. And how exactly
does law enforcement agents monitor tor??

> Running tor in any enterprise network will set off several security
> triggers. You will have a lot of explaining to do.

True.

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Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Indian Court Order

2012-06-08 Thread Tushar Rishabadas
> blocked in India.. :) I don't see your point here.. And how exactly
> does law enforcement agents monitor tor??
>
Lawful Intercept requests to record Tor Traffic. Tor's signature is well
known afaik. ISP's don't like having TOR on their networks as they are
"used by terrorists". Some actively block it. Whether the leo's can decode
the captured traffic is another story 8-)
You're better off with ssh to access the internets. Does not raise as many
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Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Indian Court Order

2012-06-08 Thread Raja Subramanian
On Jun 8, 2012 4:18 PM, "Yogesh Girikumar"  wrote:
> I don't agree.. what do you mean by a lot of illegal activity?

Among other things, tor has been used for child pornography. Which is why
any tor traffic is taken very seriously and closely monitored.

It makes no sense to use tor to access something perfectly legitimate sites
like pastebin.

> And how exactly does law enforcement agents monitor tor??

Every ISP in India (and most of the world) is mandated to provide
wiretapping service for law enforcement agencies.

See the CALEA.

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