Re: [Ilugc] [OT]free hosting
On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 12:14 PM, kenneth gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.comwrote: by the end user? If you mean by the person choosing to host with such services, partly yes - to the extent of 'selecting' which predefined OS stack we'd like to use. Cheers, -Suraj -- Career Gear - Industry Driven Talent Factory http://careergear.in/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT]free hosting
On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 12:14 PM, kenneth gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.comwrote: On Sat, 2011-12-17 at 11:49 +0530, Suraj Kumar wrote: Not quite. VPSes, whether achieved using Paravirtualization (like Xen) or using Compartmentalization (like OpenVZ) limits / binds one to the same kernel but everything else above it can be changed. by the end user? I use Linode VPS http://www.linode.com/faq.cfm Apart from a wide choice of distributions the end user can select, there is an option to upload your own distribution. Regards, Arun ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT]free hosting
On Thu, 2011-12-15 at 10:17 +0530, Suraj Kumar wrote: On Wed, 2011-12-14 at 18:24 +0530, Suraj Kumar wrote: dotcloud is a VPS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_private_server and due to its inherently 'compartmentalized' nature it allows a hosting service provider to divide a physical server into logical spaces. it is not a VPS. Then please explain what it is other than saying it is not a VPS. Would like to know (they are too abstract on their website). a VPS as I understand it is a share on a server which as far as the user is concerned is a full server with root access. The only thing one cannot do in most VPSs is install a new distro. One can upgrade to a new release of the installed distro. Dotcloud does not even give shell access, let alone root access. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT]free hosting
a VPS as I understand it is a share on a server which as far as the user is concerned is a full server with root access. The only thing one cannot do in most VPSs is install a new distro. One can upgrade to a new release of the installed distro. Dotcloud does not even give shell access, let alone root access. In many cases, You can re-image your VPS with a new distro. It should be pretty much the same as removing your VPS and creating a new one. Dotcloud does provide a shell but I highly doubt that it will be bash or any other full fledged shell. http://docs.dotcloud.com/guides/backups/ -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT]free hosting
On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 11:39 AM, kenneth gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.comwrote: a VPS as I understand it is a share on a server which as far as the user is concerned is a full server with root access. The only thing one cannot do in most VPSs is install a new distro. One can upgrade to a new release of the installed distro. Not quite. VPSes, whether achieved using Paravirtualization (like Xen) or using Compartmentalization (like OpenVZ) limits / binds one to the same kernel but everything else above it can be changed. For instance, in OpenVZ, it is possible to run fedora / ubuntu / centos / etc., all on the same physical machine. cheers, -suraj -- Career Gear - Industry Driven Talent Factory http://careergear.in/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT]free hosting
On Sat, 2011-12-17 at 11:49 +0530, Suraj Kumar wrote: a VPS as I understand it is a share on a server which as far as the user is concerned is a full server with root access. The only thing one cannot do in most VPSs is install a new distro. One can upgrade to a new release of the installed distro. Not quite. VPSes, whether achieved using Paravirtualization (like Xen) or using Compartmentalization (like OpenVZ) limits / binds one to the same kernel but everything else above it can be changed. by the end user? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT]free hosting
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 11:34 AM, 0 0...@0throot.com wrote: I find dotcloud.com very interesting - it may not be open source, but supports many open source stacks. Its an interesting system. I wonder how they protect their system from malicious users, considering they provide a service to run background processes. http://docs.dotcloud.com/guides/daemons/ dotcloud is a VPS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_private_server and due to its inherently 'compartmentalized' nature it allows a hosting service provider to divide a physical server into logical spaces. There are many other VPS providers such as 'linode.com' who provide VPS instances of many GNU/Linux stacks. regards, -Suraj -- Career Gear - Industry Driven Talent Factory http://careergear.in/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT]free hosting
On Wed, 2011-12-14 at 18:24 +0530, Suraj Kumar wrote: dotcloud is a VPS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_private_server and due to its inherently 'compartmentalized' nature it allows a hosting service provider to divide a physical server into logical spaces. it is not a VPS. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT]free hosting
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 8:03 AM, kenneth gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.comwrote: On Wed, 2011-12-14 at 18:24 +0530, Suraj Kumar wrote: dotcloud is a VPS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_private_server and due to its inherently 'compartmentalized' nature it allows a hosting service provider to divide a physical server into logical spaces. it is not a VPS. Then please explain what it is other than saying it is not a VPS. Would like to know (they are too abstract on their website). ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT]free hosting
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 10:17 AM, Suraj Kumar su...@careergear.in wrote: On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 8:03 AM, kenneth gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com wrote: On Wed, 2011-12-14 at 18:24 +0530, Suraj Kumar wrote: dotcloud is a VPS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_private_server and due to its inherently 'compartmentalized' nature it allows a hosting service provider to divide a physical server into logical spaces. it is not a VPS. Then please explain what it is other than saying it is not a VPS. Would like to know (they are too abstract on their website). Never mind - they build on top of Amazon EC2 and sell themselves as a platform as a service. Business/Marketing jargon but they are essentially still a VPS (IMO, a VPS--) underneath. -- Career Gear - Industry Driven Talent Factory http://careergear.in/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT]free hosting
Never mind - they build on top of Amazon EC2 and sell themselves as a platform as a service. Business/Marketing jargon but they are essentially still a VPS (IMO, a VPS--) underneath. No, they are not. VPS and PaaS are very different. dotcloud seems to offer various services you can use to build you application while in a VPS you can go nuts and do *whatever* you want with your guest OS since you get root access. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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Hi, Never mind - they build on top of Amazon EC2 and sell themselves as a platform as a service. They don't sell it as Platform as a Service (which is known as PaaS) but they say that it is Infrastructure as a Service (IaaS). There is lot of difference between the two and of course Amazon has also an offering for PaaS on their IaaS. Right now everybody is offering more of IaaS but may be three to four years down the line, it becomes a commodity item (IaaS) and the real juice lies with PaaS. All the best! Regards Ravi Kumar -- Career Gear - Industry Driven Talent Factory http://careergear.in/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT]free hosting
Right. They offer the services of ops which in the VPS world is to be done on one's own. Not necessarily, because there are also fully managed VPS providers who do the ops for you. But you are right, it is something similar. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] [OT]free hosting
hi, I find dotcloud.com very interesting - it may not be open source, but supports many open source stacks. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
