Re: [Ilugc] Ubuntu powered Laptops and Desktops
On Thu, 2012-06-28 at 15:30 +0530, Sundaram KR wrote: @Kenneth - Which distro you use often? And why? Strangely enough, I recall Kenneth using Ubuntu :) that is why I am qualified to talk about the advantages (for me and my family) of using fedora over Ubuntu. I have used it for years, and still spend a lot of time using it in helping my students to debug their problems (many of them have ubuntu). Most people who rave about ubuntu have no experience of other distros and are not qualified to compare. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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Kennedy is inclined towards Fedora, and I believe you are referring Kenneth. not JFK. Pavithran is inclined towards Mint. What's the big deal! Buy Ubuntu oriented PC, uninstall Ubuntu, install Mint/Fedora whatever, use our -- Ravi Jaya Mob: 97909 16181 Site: www.ravijaya.info ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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yes Kenneth. Sorry, typo. On 07/02/2012 05:33 PM, ravi jaya wrote: Kennedy is inclined towards Fedora, and I believe you are referring Kenneth. not JFK. Pavithran is inclined towards Mint. What's the big deal! Buy Ubuntu oriented PC, uninstall Ubuntu, install Mint/Fedora whatever, use our ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Ubuntu powered Laptops and Desktops
Satya, thanks for reply, damn written english ;-) On 06/28/2012 08:33 AM, satyaakam goswami wrote: also there is fun in making a custom distro and especially making it work on your own hardware, What's the fun in it? Open source means contribution irrespective of how you can. fun has many connotations the one i meant was being happy doing it , not something like making fun out of someones effort . but again there is a cost to you and your company maintaining the Distro , which must be factored in somewhere before you start opening things up. There is cost involved in whatever you start. Running these mailing lists cost but someone is paying for this right. Even getting education costs. again wanted to point at the budgeting for the resources and the effort it will take to maintain. Guys, please reply as I am looking for people to join me to work on this. Niam Computech is the first company in India to take such an initiative and we are 100% self-bootstrapped (as of now). hmm i have doubts about your claims, i think companies like Esys and many more tried this before , first rule in a community engagement never claim i/we are so and so .. it does not matter who you are or what we you do , Please advise what can be used than we and I? be yourself you be just fine your product and services will speak about you , also looking at the development of the ecosystem it will happen once you have the critical mass. Obviously. its is so obvious but people tend to forget and get focus on the paraphernalia so much that they miss the point , if you are aware and focussed on this part good for you. there are many other critical things to the game some time later. i suggest you read this article http://jace.zaiki.in/2012/06/26/technology-outsource-vs-open-source to begin with. Everyone has different pathway to get to wherever they want to go. I liked the article but I don't understand how is it related to Ubuntu and PCs. Hasgeek guys are great. If it is community (we) but was started by one guy (I). I hope you get my point. well the point is not who it is what , will wait and watch . -Satya * * ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Ubuntu powered Laptops and Desktops
Hi I am not here to fight. We all are biased to something what we like or dislike. I just said few good words about Ubuntu. Isn't Ubuntu a Linux distro? Did I criticize other Linux distros? I don't understand how come I have antagonized a good part of LUG community. Please explain? I would have appreciated ILUGC if guys would have come forward asking that if Niam PCs can support Fedora or Mandriva or Gentoo or Mint etc rather than fighting over if someone is biased towards Ubuntu. Is it a crime to pick Ubuntu over others? @Kenneth - Which distro you use often? And why? On 06/28/2012 06:03 AM, kenneth gonsalves wrote: On Wed, 2012-06-27 at 19:16 +0530, Niam Computech Private Limited wrote: @Tushar - Ubuntu is inclined more towards end-user with nice UI and loaded apps. Also, the LTS support is awesome with such a large community. Unity HUD just rocks. as is fedora, suse, mandriva, debian, mint ... you just antagonised a good part of the LUG community ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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kenneth wrote: as is fedora, suse, mandriva, debian, mint ... you just antagonised a good part of the LUG community Speak for yourself. Why should anyone get antagonised that someone is offering Ubuntu PCs. If you dont use it or like it, dont buy. No need to kick up some havoc on the mailing list with assumed intentions of others. ...KRS ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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@Kenneth - Which distro you use often? And why? Strangely enough, I recall Kenneth using Ubuntu :) ...KRS ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Ubuntu powered Laptops and Desktops
On Thu, 2012-06-28 at 15:24 +0530, Niam Computech wrote: I would have appreciated ILUGC if guys would have come forward asking that if Niam PCs can support Fedora or Mandriva or Gentoo or Mint etc rather than fighting over if someone is biased towards Ubuntu. Is it a crime to pick Ubuntu over others? certainly not. But it is not very nice to say it is the best, most popular distro with the best support and community. @Kenneth - Which distro you use often? And why? fedora - it has the latest libraries for my type programming which ubuntu does not have. Wife and kids also like it as the distro treats them well (all of us had our honeymoon with ubuntu and got fed up). -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Ubuntu powered Laptops and Desktops
On Thu, 2012-06-28 at 15:26 +0530, Sundaram KR wrote: kenneth wrote: as is fedora, suse, mandriva, debian, mint ... you just antagonised a good part of the LUG community Speak for yourself. Why should anyone get antagonised that someone is offering Ubuntu PCs. If you dont use it or like it, dont buy. I did not get antagonised by him offing ubuntu - dell is doing it, I am not bothered (I wont buy of course). What antagonises me is the tone used by ubuntu fanbhois - that ubuntu is the best greatest etc etc. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Ubuntu powered Laptops and Desktops
On 28 June 2012 15:48, kenneth gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com wrote: not bothered (I wont buy of course). What antagonises me is the tone used by ubuntu fanbhois - that ubuntu is the best greatest etc etc. +1 and as far as I can speak most of the community members do hate the unity desktop . Distro watch still shows that linuxmint is the top 1 distro for more than 6 months . Agreed that distrowatch doesnt reflect this community as such but it does reflect an active community interested in linux distros . Ubuntu is inclined more towards end-user with nice UI and loaded apps Linux mint directly beats ubuntu in this aspect and Fedora / Mandriva/Suse/PC Linux do have the same friendly UI with loaded apps. Regards, Pavithran -- pavithran sakamuri http://look-pavi.blogspot.com ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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Boys please respect Linux community all these are Linux derivatives. I am inclined towards Ubuntu, Kennedy is inclined towards Fedora, and Pavithran is inclined towards Mint. What's the big deal! Buy Ubuntu oriented PC, uninstall Ubuntu, install Mint/Fedora whatever, use our open source drivers (as they will be written targeting Linux as generic). OR write your own drivers for your fav distros and give back to community. On 06/28/2012 04:31 PM, pavithran wrote: On 28 June 2012 15:48, kenneth gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com wrote: not bothered (I wont buy of course). What antagonises me is the tone used by ubuntu fanbhois - that ubuntu is the best greatest etc etc. Kindly chill. Don't get so annoyed. +1 and as far as I can speak most of the community members do hate the unity desktop . Distro watch still shows that linuxmint is the top 1 distro for more than 6 months . Agreed that distrowatch doesnt reflect this community as such but it does reflect an active community interested in linux distros . Ubuntu is inclined more towards end-user with nice UI and loaded apps Linux mint directly beats ubuntu in this aspect and Fedora / Mandriva/Suse/PC Linux do have the same friendly UI with loaded apps. Fighting over distros doesn't help community. We launched Ubuntu powered Desktops and Laptops because we felt it is right for community and our business. Full stop. Regards, Pavithran ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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On Thursday 28 June 2012 04:31 PM, pavithran wrote: Linux mint directly beats ubuntu in this aspect and Fedora / Mandriva/Suse/PC Linux do have the same friendly UI with loaded apps. Linux Mint shares Ubuntu's repo. isn't it? Also by default plays MP3 etc., Isn't it? Then is there something to wonder? ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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On 28 June 2012 13:52, ஆமாச்சு ama...@amachu.net wrote: On Thursday 28 June 2012 04:31 PM, pavithran wrote: Linux mint directly beats ubuntu in this aspect and Fedora / Mandriva/Suse/PC Linux do have the same friendly UI with loaded apps. Linux Mint shares Ubuntu's repo. isn't it? Also by default plays MP3 etc., Isn't it? Then is there something to wonder? Linux mint is more fully loaded than ubuntu with all codecs etc in buillt into the distro . And its not always based on ubuntu . There is a Debian derrivative called LMDE . Regards, Pavithran -- pavithran sakamuri http://look-pavi.blogspot.com ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Ubuntu powered Laptops and Desktops
Hi Niam, I am using Ubuntu for quite long and a satisfied user of ubuntu. Thanks for the initiative considering ubuntu as the (good/better/best) platform. Please keep the list informed about your products. Kindly tag [COMMERCIAL] for your future mails. regards, Thyagarajan Shanmugham. ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Ubuntu powered Laptops and Desktops
On 28.06.2012 17:30, pavithran wrote: Linux mint is more fully loaded than ubuntu with all codecs etc in buillt into the distro . yes. then there is no wonder that it tops at distrowatch. does Linux Mint care to promote Ogg/ Webm? And its not always based on ubuntu . The popular one is Ubuntu based ;-) There is a Debian derrivative called LMDE . that is not the popular one ;-) going [OT] ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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Linux Mint is based on Ubuntu. Check http://www.linuxmint.com/oldreleases.php LMDE (Linux Mint Debian Edition) is separate distro from Mint team which is based on Debian than Ubuntu. On 06/28/2012 05:30 PM, pavithran wrote: On 28 June 2012 13:52, ஆமாச்சு ama...@amachu.net wrote: On Thursday 28 June 2012 04:31 PM, pavithran wrote: Linux mint directly beats ubuntu in this aspect and Fedora / Mandriva/Suse/PC Linux do have the same friendly UI with loaded apps. Linux Mint shares Ubuntu's repo. isn't it? Also by default plays MP3 etc., Isn't it? Then is there something to wonder? Linux mint is more fully loaded than ubuntu with all codecs etc in buillt into the distro . And its not always based on ubuntu . There is a Debian derrivative called LMDE . Regards, Pavithran ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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Hi Thygarajan, thanks for the support. I will take care of tag for future posts. On 06/28/2012 07:48 PM, Thyagarajan தியாகராஜன் wrote: Hi Niam, I am using Ubuntu for quite long and a satisfied user of ubuntu. Thanks for the initiative considering ubuntu as the (good/better/best) platform. Please keep the list informed about your products. Kindly tag [COMMERCIAL] for your future mails. regards, Thyagarajan Shanmugham. ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] Ubuntu powered Laptops and Desktops
Hi Chennai Linux members, We have launched Ubuntu powered Laptops, Desktops at affordable rates for Indian consumers. These product models will be running on customized fork of Ubuntu 12.04 LTS which will be more stable and will have some of our own featured applications. The products will be available during 3rd quarter of 2012 tentatively before Diwali Festival. Requirement - We are looking for software developers, customer support execs, hardware engineers to support us. If interested please reply. I am more inclined towards developing an open community, and we will be supporting only Ubuntu OS. Please check http://www.niamcomputech.com Thanks and regards. ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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I am more inclined towards developing an open community, and we will be supporting only Ubuntu OS. nice initiative, but why only ubuntu? ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 6:43 PM, Niam Computech Private Limited niamcomput...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Chennai Linux members, We have launched Ubuntu powered Laptops, Desktops at affordable rates for Indian consumers. These product models will be running on customized fork of Ubuntu 12.04 LTS which will be more stable and will have some of our own featured applications. What are those applications , do you have a list of them somewhere , can we take try the Distro somewhere ? The products will be available during 3rd quarter of 2012 tentatively before Diwali Festival. Requirement - We are looking for software developers, customer support execs, hardware engineers to support us. If interested please reply. as a person who is talking about hiring it is always good to reveal once individual identity instead of writing from a generic email id . I am more inclined towards developing an open community, and we will be supporting only Ubuntu OS. good where is the repository , from where one should be able to build from scratch , where is that one can report bugs ? -Satya fossevents.in ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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Thanks for the response and questions. @Satya - We are working on everything and by July end all websites, micro-websites, bugtrackers, application list etc will be online. Please keep track of www.niamcomputech.com .. My name is Chetan and I am owner of Niam Computech. You can contact me directly by emailing chetan.mit...@niamcomputech.com @Tushar - Ubuntu is inclined more towards end-user with nice UI and loaded apps. Also, the LTS support is awesome with such a large community. Unity HUD just rocks. Guys, please reply as I am looking for people to join me to work on this. Niam Computech is the first company in India to take such an initiative and we are 100% self-bootstrapped (as of now). On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 6:43 PM, Niam Computech Private Limited niamcomput...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Chennai Linux members, We have launched Ubuntu powered Laptops, Desktops at affordable rates for Indian consumers. These product models will be running on customized fork of Ubuntu 12.04 LTS which will be more stable and will have some of our own featured applications. The products will be available during 3rd quarter of 2012 tentatively before Diwali Festival. Requirement - We are looking for software developers, customer support execs, hardware engineers to support us. If interested please reply. I am more inclined towards developing an open community, and we will be supporting only Ubuntu OS. Please check http://www.niamcomputech.com Thanks and regards. ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Ubuntu powered Laptops and Desktops
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:16 PM, Niam Computech Private Limited niamcomput...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the response and questions. @Satya - We are working on everything and by July end all websites, micro-websites, bugtrackers, application list etc will be online. Please keep track of www.niamcomputech.com .. My name is Chetan and I am owner of Niam Computech. You can contact me directly by emailing chetan.mit...@niamcomputech.com Thanks Chetan will keep a track of it . @Tushar - Ubuntu is inclined more towards end-user with nice UI and loaded apps. Also, the LTS support is awesome with such a large community. Unity HUD just rocks. No idea i am on Linux Mint as of now since i did not like Unity bloat :-) , also there is fun in making a custom distro and especially making it work on your own hardware , but again there is a cost to you and your company maintaining the Distro , which must be factored in somewhere before you start opening things up. Guys, please reply as I am looking for people to join me to work on this. Niam Computech is the first company in India to take such an initiative and we are 100% self-bootstrapped (as of now). hmm i have doubts about your claims, i think companies like Esys and many more tried this before , first rule in a community engagement never claim i/we are so and so .. it does not matter who you are or what we you do , your product and services will speak about you , also looking at the development of the ecosystem it will happen once you have the critical mass . there are many other critical things to the game some time later. i suggest you read this article http://jace.zaiki.in/2012/06/26/technology-outsource-vs-open-source to begin with. all the best in your journey... -Satya fossevents.in ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Ubuntu powered Laptops and Desktops
On Wednesday 27 June 2012 06:43 PM, Niam Computech Private Limited wrote: Hi Chennai Linux members, We have launched Ubuntu powered Laptops, Desktops at affordable rates for Indian consumers. These product models will be running on customized fork of Ubuntu 12.04 LTS which will be more stable and will have some of our own featured applications. The products will be available during 3rd quarter of 2012 tentatively before Diwali Festival. Requirement - We are looking for software developers, customer support execs, hardware engineers to support us. If interested please reply. I am more inclined towards developing an open community, and we will be supporting only Ubuntu OS. Please check http://www.niamcomputech.com Thanks and regards. Who is speaking on behalf of Niyam Computech? Why generic name? Would be good to know you. Adds more value. ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Ubuntu powered Laptops and Desktops
On Wednesday 27 June 2012 06:43 PM, Niam Computech Private Limited wrote: Hi Chennai Linux members, We have launched Ubuntu powered Laptops, Desktops at affordable rates for Indian consumers. These product models will be running on customized fork of Ubuntu 12.04 LTS which will be more stable and will have some of our own featured applications. Much needed initiative. Keep going. ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Ubuntu powered Laptops and Desktops
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 6:43 PM, Niam Computech Private Limited niamcomput...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Chennai Linux members, snip Add [COMMERCIAL] tag to such mails Best A. Mani -- A. Mani CU, ASL, CLC, AMS, CMS http://www.logicamani.in http://www.logicamani.co.cc ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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My comments inline. On 6/27/2012 7:37 PM, satyaakam goswami wrote: On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:16 PM, Niam Computech Private Limited niamcomput...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the response and questions. @Satya - We are working on everything and by July end all websites, micro-websites, bugtrackers, application list etc will be online. Please keep track of www.niamcomputech.com .. My name is Chetan and I am owner of Niam Computech. You can contact me directly by emailing chetan.mit...@niamcomputech.com Thanks Chetan will keep a track of it . Thanks. @Tushar - Ubuntu is inclined more towards end-user with nice UI and loaded apps. Also, the LTS support is awesome with such a large community. Unity HUD just rocks. No idea i am on Linux Mint as of now since i did not like Unity bloat :-) , It is not a bloat. also there is fun in making a custom distro and especially making it work on your own hardware, What's the fun in it? Open source means contribution irrespective of how you can. but again there is a cost to you and your company maintaining the Distro , which must be factored in somewhere before you start opening things up. There is cost involved in whatever you start. Running these mailing lists cost but someone is paying for this right. Even getting education costs. Guys, please reply as I am looking for people to join me to work on this. Niam Computech is the first company in India to take such an initiative and we are 100% self-bootstrapped (as of now). hmm i have doubts about your claims, i think companies like Esys and many more tried this before , first rule in a community engagement never claim i/we are so and so .. it does not matter who you are or what we you do , Please advise what can be used than we and I? your product and services will speak about you , also looking at the development of the ecosystem it will happen once you have the critical mass. Obviously. there are many other critical things to the game some time later. i suggest you read this article http://jace.zaiki.in/2012/06/26/technology-outsource-vs-open-source to begin with. Everyone has different pathway to get to wherever they want to go. I liked the article but I don't understand how is it related to Ubuntu and PCs. Hasgeek guys are great. If it is community (we) but was started by one guy (I). I hope you get my point. all the best in your journey... Thanks! -Satya fossevents.in ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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Ok will be taken care of next time. On 6/27/2012 10:36 PM, A. Mani wrote: On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 6:43 PM, Niam Computech Private Limited niamcomput...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Chennai Linux members, snip Add [COMMERCIAL] tag to such mails Best A. Mani ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Ubuntu powered Laptops and Desktops
On Wed, 2012-06-27 at 19:16 +0530, Niam Computech Private Limited wrote: @Tushar - Ubuntu is inclined more towards end-user with nice UI and loaded apps. Also, the LTS support is awesome with such a large community. Unity HUD just rocks. as is fedora, suse, mandriva, debian, mint ... you just antagonised a good part of the LUG community -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Ubuntu powered Laptops and Desktops
also there is fun in making a custom distro and especially making it work on your own hardware, What's the fun in it? Open source means contribution irrespective of how you can. fun has many connotations the one i meant was being happy doing it , not something like making fun out of someones effort . but again there is a cost to you and your company maintaining the Distro , which must be factored in somewhere before you start opening things up. There is cost involved in whatever you start. Running these mailing lists cost but someone is paying for this right. Even getting education costs. again wanted to point at the budgeting for the resources and the effort it will take to maintain. Guys, please reply as I am looking for people to join me to work on this. Niam Computech is the first company in India to take such an initiative and we are 100% self-bootstrapped (as of now). hmm i have doubts about your claims, i think companies like Esys and many more tried this before , first rule in a community engagement never claim i/we are so and so .. it does not matter who you are or what we you do , Please advise what can be used than we and I? be yourself you be just fine your product and services will speak about you , also looking at the development of the ecosystem it will happen once you have the critical mass. Obviously. its is so obvious but people tend to forget and get focus on the paraphernalia so much that they miss the point , if you are aware and focussed on this part good for you. there are many other critical things to the game some time later. i suggest you read this article http://jace.zaiki.in/2012/06/26/technology-outsource-vs-open-source to begin with. Everyone has different pathway to get to wherever they want to go. I liked the article but I don't understand how is it related to Ubuntu and PCs. Hasgeek guys are great. If it is community (we) but was started by one guy (I). I hope you get my point. well the point is not who it is what , will wait and watch . -Satya * * ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
