[Ilugc] open source final year projects
Considering all the hype about open source projects being better than the traditional internships in the big companies, due to a variety of reasons has intrigued me quite a bit. They say that I can choose any module of any software and develop it in whatever manner I like. Assuming all the above stated naiveties are, in fact, true, a) how do I find these projects? b) who would be my internship mentor? c) on what basis will he take me up? these are only a few of the questions that propped up in my head spontaneously. It would be really kind of all you people if you could satiate my queries. Note: Quite ostensibly, I am a newcomer to the open source area, albeit I possess a considerable amount of experience in programming (C,C++,Java) ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] open source final year projects
> Note: Quite ostensibly, I am a newcomer to the open source area, albeit I > possess a considerable amount of experience in programming (C,C++,Java) http://shakthimaan.com/downloads/glv/presentations/gnubie.html http://www.shakthimaan.com/downloads/glv/presentations/i-want-2-do-project-tell-me-wat-2-do.pdf satyaakam.net ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] open source final year projects
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 11:46 PM, satyaakam goswami wrote: >> Note: Quite ostensibly, I am a newcomer to the open source area, albeit I >> possess a considerable amount of experience in programming (C,C++,Java) > > http://shakthimaan.com/downloads/glv/presentations/gnubie.html > http://www.shakthimaan.com/downloads/glv/presentations/i-want-2-do-project-tell-me-wat-2-do.pdf > more http://producingoss.com/en/producingoss.html satyaakam.net ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] open source final year projects
Hi, --- On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 11:36 PM, Eknath Venkataramani wrote: | They say \-- They ... who? --- | that I can choose any module of any | software and develop it in whatever manner I like. \-- ... if it is only for your use. But, if you intend to submit it back to the project (upstream), you need to work with them. --- | Assuming all the above stated naiveties are, in fact, true, | a) how do I find these projects? \-- For a start: http://savannah.gnu.org http://sf.net http://freshmeat.net --- | b) who would be my internship mentor? \-- Existing project team members who are interested. --- | c) on what basis will he take me up? \-- It is best for you to talk to them. --- | possess a considerable amount of experience in programming (C,C++,Java) \-- You _never_ attempt to do a project in a language that you know, but, you take the programming language that helps you to implement a project, or solve a problem in the required domain space. Use programming languages as tools. You haven't specified your area/domain of interest, time-frame of the project, and what are your expectations out of the project. SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] open source final year projects
Well,1) By *they*, I meant all the people in my college whom I have gathered some kind of information. I really do not know if what they say is true or not 2) Yes I want to submit it back to project heads(upstream) because I would want to do my my final year project in whatever I am taking up. Or is it something you suggest against? 3) Domain of interest: Cryptography (for now at least, because I haven't found anything else this appealing). 4) Time frame:(official) Jan '10 - May '10. Unofficially I can start working as soon as I get to know what I have to do. 5) Expectation: a) A project good enough for the professors (of whichever department) to take me as a student in a good US university for my MS. Rather simply put, a project that would add a lot of weight to my statement of purpose enough to make them want me in their college (or am I being overly ambitious?). b) A minimal stipend (Quite evidently, my project mentor wouldn't be a professor from my institution(or am I wrong?). If so, then according to my college's final year project specifications, 'a student is allowed to undergo only an _internship_ outside the college'. And by internship, they mean 'a project giving the student some amount of money in the form of a stipend' or 'the student must already be placed in that company'. ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] open source final year projects
thank you. but these links are about starting your own projects, which means I'll have to come up with something totally new (or) invent something (it sounds creepy). I will, of course, look into freshmeat and satyaakam. On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 11:46 PM, satyaakam goswami wrote: > > Note: Quite ostensibly, I am a newcomer to the open source area, albeit I > > possess a considerable amount of experience in programming (C,C++,Java) > > http://shakthimaan.com/downloads/glv/presentations/gnubie.html > > http://www.shakthimaan.com/downloads/glv/presentations/i-want-2-do-project-tell-me-wat-2-do.pdf > > satyaakam.net > ___ > To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with > "unsubscribe " > in the subject or body of the message. > http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc > ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] open source final year projects
On Saturday 01 Aug 2009 12:40:26 am Eknath Venkataramani wrote: > thank you. but these links are about starting your own projects, which > means I'll have to come up with something totally new (or) invent something > (it sounds creepy). I will, of course, look into freshmeat and satyaakam. since you are new to open source this may be of interest to you: http://nrcfosshelpline.in/code/wiki/MailingListEtiquette -- regards kg http://lawgon.livejournal.com ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] open source final year projects
Hi, My thoughts below: --- On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 12:36 AM, Eknath Venkataramani wrote: | 2) Yes I want to submit it back to project heads(upstream) because I would | want to do my my final year project in whatever I am taking up. Or is it | something you suggest against? \-- There is nothing for or against. You can always submit your changes upstream. --- | a) A project good enough for the professors (of whichever | department) to take me as a student in a good US university for my MS. | Rather simply put, a project that would add a lot of weight to my statement | of purpose enough to make them want me in their college (or am I being | overly ambitious?). \-- 1. It is not ambitious, but, has a very cunning motive. IMO, you should always work on F/OSS projects because it teaches you something new, and you enjoy doing it, and contributing to it, and not for the motives you have mentioned. 2. What hasn't been learnt and practised very well in 3 1/2 years of "engineering" cannot be undone by one final semester "project". This is yet another of those common statements that I hear from students, "Let me do one good project, and hopefully get a job or an MS". --- | b) A minimal stipend (Quite evidently, my project mentor | wouldn't be a professor from my institution(or am I wrong?). If so, then | according to my college's final year project specifications, 'a student is | allowed to undergo only an _internship_ outside the college'. And by | internship, they mean 'a project giving the student some amount of money in | the form of a stipend' or 'the student must already be placed in that | company'. \-- That is a shame! Are they running an educational institution or doing business? 3. You always work on a Free Software project because it teaches you something, and that you enjoy the freedom of source, knowledge and fellowship, and not for the above 'motives'. Sure, you could get 'money', 'fame', 'job', 'admit for post-graduation', but, those are only side-effects. SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] open source final year projects
@kenneth, I am sorry. On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 6:44 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Saturday 01 Aug 2009 12:40:26 am Eknath Venkataramani wrote: > > thank you. but these links are about starting your own projects, which > > means I'll have to come up with something totally new (or) invent > something > > (it sounds creepy). I will, of course, look into freshmeat and satyaakam. > > since you are new to open source this may be of interest to you: > http://nrcfosshelpline.in/code/wiki/MailingListEtiquette > > -- > regards > kg > http://lawgon.livejournal.com > ___ > To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with > "unsubscribe " > in the subject or body of the message. > http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc > ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] open source final year projects
on Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Eknath Venkataramani wrote: > @kenneth, > I am sorry. > On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 6:44 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves > wrote: > >> On Saturday 01 Aug 2009 12:40:26 am Eknath Venkataramani wrote: >> > thank you. but these links are about starting your own projects, which >> > means I'll have to come up with something totally new (or) invent >> something >> > (it sounds creepy). I will, of course, look into freshmeat and satyaakam. >> >> since you are new to open source this may be of interest to you: >> http://nrcfosshelpline.in/code/wiki/MailingListEtiquette Sorry for what you did not understand what Kenneth meant ? or you are sorry about top posting looking at this mail it does not look like you read the link carefully . satyaakam.net ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] open source final year projects
I am a little confused here... 1) Does the motive really matter assuming the quality would be undeterred? 2) Yes it is a shame. Yes it is business, they are doing. 3) I guess I have no choice but to bank on a good project since _I_ have wasted my engineering life in this sordid institution. 4) I saw the sites you wanted me to go through. The obstacle there was that it is a freaking ocean out there and I am to pick a drop of water out of that. I am really confused as to which project I should choose even within a particular sub category :( PS: I shall take up your advice about the motive.. On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Shakthi Kannan wrote: > Hi, > > My thoughts below: > > --- On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 12:36 AM, Eknath > Venkataramani wrote: > | 2) Yes I want to submit it back to project heads(upstream) because I > would > | want to do my my final year project in whatever I am taking up. Or is it > | something you suggest against? > \-- > > There is nothing for or against. You can always submit your changes > upstream. > > --- > | a) A project good enough for the professors (of whichever > | department) to take me as a student in a good US university for my MS. > | Rather simply put, a project that would add a lot of weight to my > statement > | of purpose enough to make them want me in their college (or am I being > | overly ambitious?). > \-- > > 1. It is not ambitious, but, has a very cunning motive. IMO, you > should always work on F/OSS projects because it teaches you something > new, and you enjoy doing it, and contributing to it, and not for the > motives you have mentioned. > > 2. What hasn't been learnt and practised very well in 3 1/2 years of > "engineering" cannot be undone by one final semester "project". This > is yet another of those common statements that I hear from students, > "Let me do one good project, and hopefully get a job or an MS". > > --- > | b) A minimal stipend (Quite evidently, my project mentor > | wouldn't be a professor from my institution(or am I wrong?). If so, then > | according to my college's final year project specifications, 'a student > is > | allowed to undergo only an _internship_ outside the college'. And by > | internship, they mean 'a project giving the student some amount of money > in > | the form of a stipend' or 'the student must already be placed in that > | company'. > \-- > > That is a shame! Are they running an educational institution or doing > business? > > 3. You always work on a Free Software project because it teaches you > something, and that you enjoy the freedom of source, knowledge and > fellowship, and not for the above 'motives'. > > Sure, you could get 'money', 'fame', 'job', 'admit for > post-graduation', but, those are only side-effects. > > SK > > -- > Shakthi Kannan > http://www.shakthimaan.com > ___ > To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with > "unsubscribe " > in the subject or body of the message. > http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc > ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] open source final year projects
> > > > Sorry for what you did not understand what Kenneth meant ? or you are > sorry about top posting looking at this mail it does not look like you > read the link carefully . > Is this fine? ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] open source final year projects
Hi, --- On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Eknath Venkataramani wrote: | 1) Does the motive really matter assuming the | quality would be undeterred? \-- The point is that this misconceived attitude will continue to propogate during your MS, and I am afraid it might not help much in the long run. --- | 2) Yes it is a shame. Yes it is business, they are doing. \-- Sorry to hear that. --- | 3) I guess I have no choice but to bank on a good project since _I_ have | wasted my engineering life in this sordid institution. \-- That is also an excuse that students give for not doing self-study. Nobody prevented you from working on F/OSS projects. --- | 4) I saw the sites you wanted me to go through. The obstacle there was that | it is a freaking ocean out there and I am to pick a drop of water out of | that. I am really confused as to which project I should choose even within a | particular sub category :( \-- What you need to do: 1. Find F/OSS projects online that work with cryptography. Maybe they need something to be implemented, and you can contact the developer mailing list, and start working on it. Developers will be able to help you on mailing lists, IRC. 2. The "i-want-2-do-project. tell-me-wat-2-do" is not meant only for new projects. It has all the information that we have discussed. Please re-read it again, and let us know if you have any queries. There is an IRC live commentary for the presentation here: http://shakthimaan.com/downloads/irclogs/2009/2009-06-27_mbuf_iwanttodoprojects.log http://dgplug.org/irclogs/2009/2009-06-27_mbuf_iwanttodoprojects.log If you do 'good work' as how you have been promising on the quality, the developers will themselves give recommendations, or you could give your code to the "professors" working on cryptography. Atleast, most F/OSS projects have people working from Academia, Industry and so on, so you might even find a professor there. The point is that you need to prove yourself with your *work* first, for people to see, rather, than have a wild goose chase. You should never do things that are forced on to you, including F/OSS, because, you will easily quit, or hate it for the rest of your life. The important thing is that you always do things because you love working with it, and you will do that very well, for the same reason. As always, you are welcome to agree to disagree with me. SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] open source final year projects
Eknath Venkataramani wrote: I am a little confused here... 1) Does the motive really matter assuming the quality would be undeterred? Of course, doing a bad thing with high quality is no good than doing good thing with bad quality ;) 2) Yes it is a shame. Yes it is business, they are doing. Well, most corporates/organizations will offer you a decent stipend if you do your interns there. But the problem is you will most probably be not working on anything that they are going to make use of. Unless when your work is at par to their expectations on their own employee's performance or you have done something far too useful for them to neglect, it's just another intern for them. Mostly it is a passive talent hunt for future employees. 3) I guess I have no choice but to bank on a good project since _I_ have wasted my engineering life in this sordid institution. There is a saying in Tamil, "Ikkaraiku a'karai pachhai". A talented archer will still hit the target with a bamboo bow. It doesn't matter how your institution is, which in my personal experience every institution is more or less the same, it's your own personal aspirations, self-motivated initiatives and hard work which is going to pay. It's *your* damned life and future, and it is utter irresponsibility to blame others for making a mess of it. 4) I saw the sites you wanted me to go through. The obstacle there was that it is a freaking ocean out there and I am to pick a drop of water out of that. I am really confused as to which project I should choose even within a particular sub category :( Everybody have to start from some shore and swim. If you don't start from somewhere, you are never going to swim in the ocean one day :) At worst case, close your eyes and pick one, take it as a challenge and contribute to the project. It will at least surely prove to be a learning experience and will help you pick better projects next time. -- With Regards, Parthan SR "technofreak" GPG Key 2FF01026 Fingerprint 5707 ECBD 8D8D 8E6E 28F8 DFA5 938B D861 2FF0 1026 Weblog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] open source final year projects
On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 10:32 AM, Parthan SR wrote: > > > 2) Yes it is a shame. Yes it is business, they are doing. >> >> > Well, most corporates/organizations will offer you a decent stipend if you > do your interns there. But the problem is you will most probably be not > working on anything that they are going to make use of. Unless when your > work is at par to their expectations on their own employee's performance or > you have done something far too useful for them to neglect, it's just > another intern for them. Mostly it is a passive talent hunt for future > employees. Okay. > > 3) I guess I have no choice but to bank on a good project since _I_ have >> wasted my engineering life in this sordid institution. >> >> > There is a saying in Tamil, "Ikkaraiku a'karai pachhai". A talented archer > will still hit the target with a bamboo bow. It doesn't matter how your > institution is, which in my personal experience every institution is more or > less the same, it's your own personal aspirations, self-motivated > initiatives and hard work which is going to pay. It's *your* damned life and > future, and it is utter irresponsibility to blame others for making a mess > of it. > Yes, I do take complete complete responsibility for my actions. I am not blaming. I did not intend to play the blame game. > > 4) I saw the sites you wanted me to go through. The obstacle there was >> that >> it is a freaking ocean out there and I am to pick a drop of water out of >> that. I am really confused as to which project I should choose even within >> a >> particular sub category :( >> > Everybody have to start from some shore and swim. If you don't start from > somewhere, you are never going to swim in the ocean one day :) At worst > case, close your eyes and pick one, take it as a challenge and contribute to > the project. It will at least surely prove to be a learning experience and > will help you pick better projects next time. I shall. ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] open source final year projects
On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 10:00 AM, Eknath Venkataramani wrote: >> Sorry for what you did not understand what Kenneth meant ? or you are >> sorry about top posting looking at this mail it does not look like you >> read the link carefully . > > Is this fine? Better, but there's still room for improvement. When you quote someone's email during a reply, it's customary to also include the first line like how I've done. That makes it clear to whom you're addressing your reply. And also ensure the > and >> are correct as they represent the various levels of quoting/replies. And one more request to other list members, please don't assume everyone is using gmail's view and reply without quoting anything. Even with gmail conversation view, it's impossible to understand what you are replying to unless you quote the original author properly. - Raja ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] open source final year projects
On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 12:36 AM, Eknath Venkataramani wrote: > b) A minimal stipend (Quite evidently, my project mentor > wouldn't be a professor from my institution(or am I wrong?). If so, then > according to my college's final year project specifications, 'a student is > allowed to undergo only an _internship_ outside the college'. And by > internship, they mean 'a project giving the student some amount of money in > the form of a stipend' or 'the student must already be placed in that > company'. If the college is so serious about students making money, I am sure, you can play with the tables a bit and make it appear like your dad pays you. "Some amount" can be equated to Rs. 200 a month :P If they probe, tell them "Recession" :P I am 100% sure that you can bend the rule by talking to a person like your HOD or principal. For instance, I am interning at IITM and so I have a special consideration to do my project alone and not in groups of 2 or 3 like my classmates. --- Ashok `ScriptDevil` Gautham ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] open source final year projects
2009/8/1 Ashok Gautham : > If the college is so serious about students making money, I am sure, you can > play with the tables a bit and make it appear like your dad pays you. "Some > amount" can be equated to Rs. 200 a month :P If they probe, tell them > "Recession" :P LOL nice one . By the way is it true that colleges are that serious on money :O Maybe the college main motive is to make the student earn some money via project so that the project money would be considered as a hard earned money :) This situation I think has arose because many students just buy projects .. maybe the college is trying to improve the situation . Regards, Pavithran -- pavithran sakamuri www.pavithran.org ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] open source final year projects
Hi, My suggestions below.. On 8/1/09, Shakthi Kannan wrote: > > Hi, > > --- > | 4) I saw the sites you wanted me to go through. The obstacle there was > that > | it is a freaking ocean out there and I am to pick a drop of water out of > | that. I am really confused as to which project I should choose even > within a > | particular sub category :( > \-- > > What you need to do: > > 1. Find F/OSS projects online that work with cryptography. Maybe they > need something to be implemented, and you can contact the developer > mailing list, and start working on it. Developers will be able to help > you on mailing lists, IRC. I have a practical example where you take it as a challenge. Recently, i was given the assignment of implementing single sign on in a webapplication (PHP) running in Linux, to use the windows AD & Kerberos authentication. There is not enough material in the net, and i tried implementing mod_ntlm and kerberos authentication, but without success. Due to this, there is a consideration to move the website to windows based server, and this problem of integrating in to windows domain, is a big obstacle to fully embracing open source technologies. Our management, had taken a couple of decision to fully implement few applications in sharepoint itself, for the convenience of inter-operatbility and single signon. I feel, taking such an assignment of developing/enhancing solutions for open source technologies to seamlessly inter-operate with windows network, will be a fruitful experience. Ofcourse, as shakthi kannan said, if your motive is to get an MS using this, you may miss a lot of things. Regards, Senthil ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] open source final year projects
> > > I feel, taking such an assignment of developing/enhancing solutions for > open > source technologies to seamlessly inter-operate with windows network, will > be a fruitful experience. > I think shibboleth more or less do the same With Regards, Gaurav Paliwal ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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On 8/7/09, Gaurav Paliwal wrote: > > > > > > > I feel, taking such an assignment of developing/enhancing solutions for > > open > > source technologies to seamlessly inter-operate with windows network, > will > > be a fruitful experience. > > > > I think shibboleth more or less do the same I think, shibboleth is web-single signon similar to CAS. (pls correct me, if i am wrong). What's required in my company is to utilise the windows integrated authentication. ie, when a user logs in his desktop within intranet, he should be able to access all intranet sites, without prompting for user credentials.. Regards, Senthil ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
