[ilugd] Bitkeeper plays spoil-sport. Linux looking for a new SCM
[x-posted] Amidst controversy over work done by Samba developer Andrew Tridgell, Linux is (about time) moving out of Bitkeeper (http://os.newsforge.com/os/05/04/11/118211.shtml?tid=2&tid=25&tid=3), and looking for a new SCM. The short story is this. Background: For some time, Linux has been using the controversial Bitkeeper SCM tool for managing its source code. This was a completely closed source product, which was trying to bypass FLOSS arguments by offering a free hosted solution. For all this while, the proprietary Bitkeeper hosting the source code of the most popular FLOSS operating system - Linux, has been the biggest ironies of our times. This was made possible till now because Linus Torvalds has a very different take on FLOSS related philosophies than most people. The controversy: Andrew Tridgell of Samba fame started reverse engineering the proprietary Bitkeeper protocol and started working on a free Open source tools which could work with the Linux source code running on the Bitkeeper hosted repositories. Larry Mc Voy, the Bitkeeper honcho took an exception to this and complained to Linus. Linux tried to talk to both Larry and Andrew, and failing a resolution decided to move Linux elsewhere. Read the article for Larry and Linusâ take on the matter. I just cant help shouting out at Larry, as to how he expected this story to end otherwise? Open source movement came about to stop monopolizing of essential computing from the common man. Why is it ok to reverse- engineer the Windows SMB/CIFS protocol and make Samba, or to reverse engineer Microsoft Office file formats and make OpenOffice, and at the same time it is not ok to reverse engineer Bitkeeper? Why did Bitkeeper have to go through the exercise of giving free hosting to Linux (a publicity gimmick gone bad), making it so indispensable to the world that a reverse-engineered tool was inevitable? This only shows how clueless the Bitkeeper management has been about what it is getting into. I for one am thankful that such a gross philosophical crime (using Linux over Bitkeeper) is coming to an end. If Linux places his faith on an Open source SCM now - Subversion or GNU Arch, it is only going to make these software better. Also, one again, students and enthusiasts can start using free tools for accessing the source of a free OS. - Sandip -- Sandip Bhattacharya*Puroga Technologies * [EMAIL PROTECTED] Work: http://www.puroga.com *Home/Blog: http://www.sandipb.net/blog PGP/GPG Signature: 51A4 6C57 4BC6 8C82 6A65 AE78 B1A1 2280 A129 0FF3 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Linux delhi monthly meet 17th April 2005
HI! all We are going to have monthly meet for the month of April 2005 on 17th April 2005, Sunday Nuchem Limited, Faridabad, 2:00 PM onwards Venue for meet has been provided by Sudev Brar. Agenda for this months meet is "Information sharing Using Opensource Software" Two speakers have confirmed there presence (details in Agenda section). If any one else wants to speak let us know. AGENDA 1) Vivek Iyyer: P2P technologies. Promises to cover Bittorent and gnutella. 2) Karunakar: Indic Contetnt sharing. Promises to speak on creation of indic content and if possible an introduction to blogs, wikis, CMS, fonts etc which allow creation in indic languages. Time 17th April 2005, Sunday. 2:00 PM onwards (1400 hrs, if someone is travelling by airlines) :-) Directions Go down the Delhi-Mathura Road beyond the Badarpur border. Cross Badkhal chowk / Ajronda chowk / Bata Chowk / YMCA chowk. (The last one is seventh traffic signal from border) After YMCA leave the first gap in verge and take "U" turn back towards Delhi at the second gap (This is know as Good-Year chowk) About 500 meter you will see IBP Petrol pump at your left. The first gate after this pump is "Nuchem" Enter and security will guide you to meeting hall. If you hit Ballabgarh you have missed the turning!! Take a turn back towards Delhi and you will see Good-Year and thereafter the petrol pump on your left. Regards VK Note:- If anyone is interested in speaking on something related to the topic let me know offline Hug the REALITY ;-) Disclaimer The facts expressed here belong to everybody, the opinions to me. The distinction is yours to draw... __ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] [Fwd: Announcing Fedora Core 4 Test 2]
fyi :-) Original Message Subject:Announcing Fedora Core 4 Test 2 Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 11:23:39 -0400 From: Bill Nottingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],Development discussions related to Fedora Core <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EXTRA! EXTRA! Read all about it! In today's edition of the Herbertville Chronicle, read all about the second test release of Fedora Core 4! Raleigh, NC (HC) - The Fedora Project today announced the first test release of Fedora Core 4, bringing new technology to Linux users everywhere, and the first release of Fedora Core to support PPC out of the box. Designed as a general purpose operating system for a variety of uses, Fedora Core 4 Test 2 offers various improvements over Fedora Core 3. People who have used Test 1 will notice the following improvements: - GNOME updated to 2.10 final - KDE updated to 3.4.0 final - Firefox updated to 1.0.2 - OpenOffice.org update to 1.9.89 - many various bugfixes Users were cautioned against using Fedora Core Test 2 in production environments. Reminding the users that it's a test release, Otto said "There's no guarantee that it won't eat your data or fail to install. It could even cause an alien takeover of your humble town." Please report problems at: http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla File bugs against product 'Fedora Core', release 'fc4test1'. Fedora Core 4 Test 2 is available for x86, x86_64, and PPC architectures. It is available from: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/test/3.91/ and at the following mirrors: * North America: * USA East: * ftp://fedora.secsup.org/pub/linux/redhat/fedora/core/test/3.91 * http://fedora.secsup.org/pub/linux/redhat/fedora/core/test/3.91 * rsync://fedora.secsup.org/fedora/core/test/3.91/ * ftp://ftp.gtlib.cc.gatech.edu/pub/fedora.redhat/linux/core/test/3.91 * http://www.gtlib.cc.gatech.edu/pub/fedora.redhat/linux/core/test/3.91 * rsync://rsync.gtlib.cc.gatech.edu/fedora-linux-core/test/3.91 * http://mirror.hiwaay.net/redhat/fedora/linux/core/test/3.91/ * ftp://mirror.hiwaay.net/redhat/fedora/linux/core/test/3.91/ * rsync://mirror.hiwaay.net/fedora-linux-core-test/3.91/ * ftp://ftp.linux.ncsu.edu/pub/fedora/linux/core/test/3.91 * USA Mid-West: * ftp://fedora.mirrors.tds.net/pub/fedora-core/test/3.91/ * http://fedora.mirrors.tds.net/pub/fedora-core/test/3.91/ * http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/linux/fedora/linux/core/test/3.91 * ftp://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/linux/fedora/linux/core/test/3.91 * rsync://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/fedora/linux/core/test * ftp://mirror.eas.muohio.edu/fedora/linux/core/test/3.91 * http://mirror.eas.muohio.edu/fedora/linux/core/test/3.91 * rsync://mirror3.cs.wisc.edu/fedora-linux-core-test * USA West: * ftp://mirror.stanford.edu/pub/mirrors/fedora/linux/core/test/3.91 * ftp://mirrors.tummy.com/pub/fedora.redhat.com/fedora/linux/core/test/3.91 (note: 4M connection) * http://mirrors.tummy.com/mirrors/fedora.redhat.com/fedora/linux/core/test/3.91 (note: 4 meg connection) * Canada: * http://gulus.USherbrooke.ca/pub/distro/fedora/linux/core/test/3.91/ * South America: * Puerto Rico: * Chile: * ftp://ftp.tecnoera.com/pub/fedora/linux/test/3.91/ * http://ftp.tecnoera.com/pub/fedora/linux/test/3.91/ * rsync://ftp.tecnoera.com/pub/fedora/linux/test/3.91/ * ftp://mirror.netglobalis.net/pub/fedora/test/3.91 * http://mirror.netglobalis.net/pub/fedora/test/3.91 * Brazil: * ftp://ftp.las.ic.unicamp.br/pub/fedora/linux/core/test/3.91 * http://www.las.ic.unicamp.br/pub/fedora/linux/core/test/3.91 * rsync://rsync.las.ic.unicamp.br/pub/fedora/linux/core/test/3.91 * Europe: * Greece: * ftp://ftp.ntua.gr/pub/linux/fedora/linux/core/test/3.91/ * http://ftp.ntua.gr/pub/linux/fedora/linux/core/test/3.91/ * Russia: * http://ftp.rhd.ru/pub/fedora/linux/core/test/3.91/ * ftp://ftp.rhd.ru/pub/fedora/linux/core/test/3.91/ * Switzerland: * ftp://mirror.switch.ch/mirror/fedora/linux/core/test/3.91/ * http://mirror.switch.ch/ftp/mirror/fedora/linux/core/test/3.91/ * Spain: * ftp://ftp.cica.es/fedora/linux/core/test/3.91 * rsync://ftp.cica.es/fedora-linux-core-test/3.91 * Austria: * ftp://gd.tuwien.ac.at/opsys/linux/fedora/core/test/3.91/ * http:/
Re: [ilugd] CERT India(?!) and Security
>> 1) CERT India does'nt have a website anymore. >> http://www.cert-in.org.in/ doesn't seem to live >> anymore - or is it that I'm being blocked from every >> network I try to access it from? > > http://www.cert-in.org.in/ is opening perfectly. > Try again :-) > I use - Epiphany/Hotwire. Opening perfectly on Firefox/WinXP/Spectranet Kapil ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Insider Hints at GPL Changes
Eben Moglen and the folks rewriting the GPL are looking at a proposal where companies would be required to pay money if they use GPLed software, even if they don't redistribute the software. Version 3.0 of the General Public License (GPL) may be years away, but one insider says proposed changes to it could impact companies like Amazon, Yahoo and Google. http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3495981 There was also a debate around it on slashot. http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/05/04/08/2148207.shtml?tid=98&tid=106 Cheers! P. -- Alas, even today there's little worth thinking and saying that does not grievously wound the state, the gods, and common decency. -Goethe ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Amazin' Book this
Amazin' Book this http://www.cryptonomicon.com/beginning.html -- ___ Ankit Malik http://scribbler.tk [my blog] ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Myths of Open SOurce
On Apr 11, 2005 3:40 PM, Ankit Malik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On Apr 11, 2005 7:14 AM, vivek khurana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hi! > > > > Myths of open source > > > > http://www.cio.com/archive/030104/open.html > > > > oh another piece of FUD then? DEJA VU! > EDIT/UPDATE: Checked it out... It isn't so...ignore my previous comments :D Hug the REALITY ;-) > > > hmm..is that message to OSS zealots or the companies not embracing OSS > or..? > got this answer too... Companies not embracing OSS WAKE UP!!! Cheerios! > > ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] ilugd Digest, Vol 25, Issue 12
On Apr 11, 2005 12:56 PM, gaurav <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Asitav Sen wrote: > > >hi, > >can anyone plz tell me where can i get a Ubuntu cd,,as downloading will > be a > >problem here. > > > > > http://shipit.ubuntulinux.org/ If you are not sure about ordering it and waiting for a longish time [ a month in my case] , I have the ISO of Ubuntu Hoary Preview Release burnt and downloaded, so buzz me if you wanna have the Preview Release. Other than this, I also have loads of Ubuntu Warty CDs... I could send them to you? What say? >___ > >ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org > >http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd > >Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi > http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ > > > > > > > > ___ > ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org > http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd > Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi > http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ > -- ___ Ankit Malik http://scribbler.tk [my blog] ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Gnome Menu
> > > > gnome 2.10 (e.g. Ubuntu Hoary) - this feature has been removed. i'm not > sure what's the replacement. if yu find out then let us know yeah this nifty feature isnt present in UH atleast not in the PR bcoz that is what I am running. I am right now running Menueditor which kinda helps although not as successful as the 'Applications:///' section @ Nautilus. Check out http://ubuntuguide.org and search the longish page for a two step tutorial to setup Menueditor in Ubuntu! Phew! o--o > | vivek * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://exain.net | > | Registered Linux User: #305493 | > o--o > > > ___ > ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org > http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd > Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi > http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ > -- ___ Ankit Malik http://scribbler.tk [my blog] ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Meeting
On Apr 11, 2005 8:57 AM, vivek khurana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- Gaurav Mishra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi all, > > It`s 11 now, So no Buzz about the month meeting , > > Are we gng to > > have the meeting ? > > Hi! Can anyone enlighten me about the location of these ILUGD meetings? I have an inkling they are held @ Dilli Haat INA but I am not so sure! If it is then it is a bit funny bcoz I live so close by to it and have never attended any ILUGD meetings bcoz I wasnt aware :d __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > > ___ > ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org > http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd > Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi > http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ > -- ___ Ankit Malik http://scribbler.tk [my blog] ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Myths of Open SOurce
On Apr 11, 2005 7:14 AM, vivek khurana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi! > > Myths of open source > > http://www.cio.com/archive/030104/open.html oh another piece of FUD then? DEJA VU! > > Hug the REALITY ;-) hmm..is that message to OSS zealots or the companies not embracing OSS or..? Cheerios! Disclaimer > The facts expressed here belong to everybody, the opinions to me. The > distinction is yours to draw... > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > > ___ > ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org > http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd > Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi > http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ > -- ___ Ankit Malik http://scribbler.tk [my blog] ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] (no subject)
On Apr 10, 2005 9:36 PM, Sujay Nair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Cheers to Ankit for the thought and literary work !! > > hmm...what work? oops..wait do you mean the Windoze Prayer...Really Sorry but I forgot to mention the source, I got it from the Ubuntuforums... http://ubuntuforums.org so forwarding the Cheers to the original writer [or wait did he also borrow it from somewhere else] :-) ___ Ankit Malik http://scribbler.tk [my blog] ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] ilugd Digest, Vol 25, Issue 12
Asitav Sen wrote: >hi, >can anyone plz tell me where can i get a Ubuntu cd,,as downloading will be a >problem here. > > http://shipit.ubuntulinux.org/ >___ >ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org >http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd >Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi >http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ > > > ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
