Re: [ilugd] [LONG] [RANT] Ubuntu and Quality Control
On 16-Mar-08, at 7:28 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Why are you using Ubuntu for production servers? Look how many major > releases they have had vs. Debian, or RHEL. They push out the latest > version of the software as fast as possible because that is what their > user base wants. That's why I use Ubuntu on my desktops. But they > can't > possibly keep the same quality control on such a release cyle. For > production servers I use Debian, except when a client requires > enterprise support, then I use RHEL. I suggest the same. for production servers: rule 1: never use the latest rule 2: never use the latest rule 3: never use the latest and if you *do* break this rule, suffer the consequences in silence -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/code/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] reg: RHCE exam
Lukram Debendro wrote: > Hi, > > Could anyone of you, please give some tips on RHCE examination. Study for them :D and make sure you practise as much hands on stuff as you can. > > My exam is on 24th March'08 best of luck for the exams. -- Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] reg: RHCE exam
Hi, Could anyone of you, please give some tips on RHCE examination. My exam is on 24th March'08 Thanks & regards Debendro Lukram ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [LIG] [LONG] [RANT] Ubuntu and Quality Control
On Sunday 16 Mar 2008, Justin Moore wrote: > Why are you using Ubuntu for production servers? Look how many major > releases they have had vs. Debian, or RHEL. They push out the latest > version of the software as fast as possible because that is what > their user base wants. That's why I use Ubuntu on my desktops. But > they can't possibly keep the same quality control on such a release > cyle. For production servers I use Debian, except when a client > requires enterprise support, then I use RHEL. I suggest the same. It's possible that Ubuntu isn't meant to be a server distribution (but in that case they shouldn't have a Ubuntu server version). Regardless, it is completely irresponsible to make a package available for download that did not get even one command's worth of testing after packaging. A simple /etc/init.d/mailman restart after installing the new package would have shown that mailman wasn't working. Please note that this is not some error condition that only surfaces under some weird combination of environments or events. Whatever your hardware or software configuration, whatever applications you are running, whatever network connectivity (or lack) you have, merely starting up the newly-installed mailman would have failed. Whether desktop or server, a distribution that permits the release of an Internet-service package without even that one, basic command is broken beyond repair IMNSHO. Ubuntu needs to make a package testing and release policy real quick. The next time it could be a security patch to Firefox that gets messed up, and then we'll have millions of cracked Ubuntu systems merrily spamming away. Before something like that happens, it would be better if Ubuntu just withdrew gracefully from the list of Linux distributions. Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kandalaya.org/ Freedom in Technology & Software || February 2008 || http://freed.in/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F PsyTrance & Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [LIG] [LONG] [RANT] Ubuntu and Quality Control
Raj is not. I am - on a personal server that happens to host the ilugd list. Choice of distro mostly due to the guy who did a remote hands install for my box having only one current distro handy that had a usable version of the tg3 gigabit ethernet driver. And yes, aware of this, I tend to follow a "install a restricted set of packages and patch only when absolutely necessary" policy that, e&oe this little contretemps with a broken mailman, has, knock on wood, worked fine so far. srs > > Why are you using Ubuntu for production servers? Look how many major > releases they have had vs. Debian, or RHEL. They push out the latest > version of the software as fast as possible because that is what their > user base wants. That's why I use Ubuntu on my desktops. But they can't > possibly keep the same quality control on such a release cyle. For > production servers I use Debian, except when a client requires > enterprise support, then I use RHEL. I suggest the same. > ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [LONG] [RANT] Ubuntu and Quality Control
Raj, Why are you using Ubuntu for production servers? Look how many major releases they have had vs. Debian, or RHEL. They push out the latest version of the software as fast as possible because that is what their user base wants. That's why I use Ubuntu on my desktops. But they can't possibly keep the same quality control on such a release cyle. For production servers I use Debian, except when a client requires enterprise support, then I use RHEL. I suggest the same. Hope this helps. Justin On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 12:55 am, Raj Mathur wrote: > First thing yesterday morning: urgent IM message from Suresh > Ramasubramanian (hoster of this mailing list): > > Mailman is down, can you help? > > OK, so we start investigating his box. He has upgraded Python2.4 to > Python2.5, and applied a Mailman security patch package. However, > whenever we try to access the page, the server barfs. On to server > logs -- syntax error in one of the Mailman support files. > > Right, I can understand an upgrade causing logical errors, but a SYNTAX > ERROR!??!? Nah, I must be missing something, so I look all over the 2 > upgrades. Switch back to Python2.4 from Python2.5, no joy. Recompile > all the Mailman files from scratch, no joy. Recompile the Ubuntu > Mailman package from source and reinstall it, no joy. Bang head > against wall, no joy. > > Finally, desperate, I start comparing Mailman files on Suresh' server > against Mailman installed on other servers. While they are different > versions of Mailman, I do notice one anomaly: where one file has: > > mlist.subject_prefix = Utils.canonstr( > val, mlist.preferred_language) <- *** Note this line > *** > elif property == 'info': > > Suresh' server has: > > mlist.subject_prefix = Utils.canonstr( > elif property == 'info': > > Saying, `no, no, it can't be!' I insert the missing line into the file > on the broken machine, cross fingers, eyes, legs, etc and restart > Mailman. > > It works! > > [Shift to today] > > Ubuntu issues a security notice that says, in effect, ``We screwed up > with the previous Mailman patch, so here's the latest and greatest > version of Mailman, and this one really, Really, REALLY works! Believe > us!''. > > I don't believe them. In the past 6 months Ubuntu has issues 80 new > security advisories. For those 80 advisories, they have issued no less > than SEVEN regressions (a regression is a patch to fix a broken patch). > A near-10% regression rate sends only one message to me -- we can't be > bothered with doing any quality control before we release packages. > > Before Ubuntu came onto the scene, I didn't even /know/ what a > regression was. Today it's a common word in my lexicon, because of > Ubuntu's pathetic testing and quality control process (or lack of > process, more likely). An operating system vendor who issues a package > with a syntax error (so that the package doesn't even start up, leave > alone do something wrong), is a pure crap snake oil vendor in my book. > > So, the question: will I trust Ubuntu on an Internet-connected system? > Nah. > > Will I trust Ubuntu on a server? Er, please excuse me while I > finishing > laughing hysterically! > > Use Debian or CentOS or any of those reasonably tested other > distributions for your boxes, and when someone asks you to use Ubuntu, > in the immortal words of Fancy Raygun, ``Just Say No!''. > > Regards, > > -- Raju > -- > Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kandalaya.org/ > Freedom in Technology & Software || February 2008 || http://freed.in/ >GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F > PsyTrance & Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves > > ___ > ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org > http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd > Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 > Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi > http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] GSoC GNU project
GNU is participating again in the GSoC project. we encourage free software hackers to consider contributing and spending this summer mentoring or joining this event this summer. project ideas are listed at: http://www.gnu.org/software/soc-projects/ideas.html -- Nagarjuna G. http://www.gnowledge.org/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
