[ilugd] 'Active - Active MYSQL
Hello, Could somebody point me to the best place to get started if both nodes of a MYSQL cluster need to be active. Also how best to achieve this if the instances are segregated over the WAN ? Thank you, ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] [X-Post] Guest account in Ubuntu 10.04
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Kartik Singhal writes: > On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 10:14 PM, Ashish SHUKLA wrote: >> [Your CCing the same mail to various lists in the name of X-Post sucks. It >> is >> rude when other lists permits only subscribers to post. So, for a little >> convenience of yours, you're pissing off those who are trying to help >> you. Please avoid this, this is not USENET.] >> > Yeah, seems like I messed up :( . Your mail was not received by fsug-tvm. > Have never used USENET though. Won't repeat my mistake. Yes, that's because I'm not subscribed to that list and I received a failure notice. > You mean we have NFS for anonymous mount, SFTP for authentication and Samba > for windows clients (if I got that right)? Yes, NFS mount with 'all_squash' option to squash all users to the anonymous UID/GID. >>> And instead of having this script, why not initialize the ~guest with a >> >> .desktop file which points to location like: sftp://192.168.5.82/ >> >> > It is indeed a .desktop file while just runs this script. This is for >> > accessing the private shares of a particular user which is not same as >> the >> > 'user' account they use to login to the client. >> >> The reason I suggested is because entering a username/password in a dialog >> box >> looks straightforward to me, and SFTP url will be the same. You can >> configure >> OpenSSH in chroot mode[1] preventing users from exploring the server >> file-system. >> > I think I missed the point earlier as we had not deployed SFTP ever. SFTP = file transfer protocol (not FTP) over SSH. You can create SFTP-only users restricted to their chroot. >> And also if '/$un/' share requires authentication, you're entering same >> username twice, one at your script and other in the user/password dialog >> box >> which nautilus pops up. SFTP offers secure access and is well integrated >> with >> Nautilus and GNOME VFS. >> > Yeah, this was annoying to enter the user name twice. Seems like this would > be a far better solution. > Thanks for all the help and your time. Will try this setup and inform here. Cool. Looking forward to read your experience. - -- Ashish SHUKLA “But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother.” (George Orwell, "Nineteen Eighty-Four", 1949) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.15 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJMSybuAAoJEMdGz6nnT6SwQlkQALQzSZ3YOUOxW7oB1hAL1KkQ EQisOAHE7ul4+tzkKbpjqunz4kwOM5VVR/aipwB0v0UmPdupgytzpwrmBv0q3hjT JyR67kJdNekfk0UJFwdtGhLeCXXXLyaO7sHvBxA/gIMYBmMNrO3BKdacLIfrs305 LqDLnx2uOSqDMK3r44earinGOlHn0xISawYmzl+mYfooO/QVyaA/aMlhSCjJhZDL vXSy9ueYfh84xFgB5ZHONPdzRbP3gkN5L1QMo6c6Hz0X6JGWOb+/zTpsn2qQzkmo fTicjHVxJv8O6wFDgdkyQSQpAbdxejRwOfke9D6ZAbCjX+FivL/kPABAO9oq2ert BfWDIETzWumT3AYlJxvu4CN8yt58Fs8erbaCPXQHmWGCkFRPEnJ3TjRsv16+4Y0z qsqxWcJGmJBm2hL/50SOm4IueSCYP8ILgMf/EYMST+g/xQOSkbEVDpAryvFpCn90 rmCkjqG335IsgucnIiILyzIbyJcXb+Q4SPlFLrLKoxEScAwsxkWgmF/0bzvxSQPY zhhUQpA55oXiMWp79b6z3y5XnrAPbj8oI4+n4SCmR/9TyUmk1H8z6wgIT3cf8zrM i9wRMXMPXRJWXe+rkKxDeQPzVrSWxImoZTfyYxkJBuvqGQRGiNrEERJuV0LULycX TQt83ykz9OFTSvbbaONQ =ggra -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] [X-Post] Guest account in Ubuntu 10.04
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 10:14 PM, Ashish SHUKLA wrote: > [Your CCing the same mail to various lists in the name of X-Post sucks. It > is > rude when other lists permits only subscribers to post. So, for a little > convenience of yours, you're pissing off those who are trying to help > you. Please avoid this, this is not USENET.] > Yeah, seems like I messed up :( . Your mail was not received by fsug-tvm. Have never used USENET though. Won't repeat my mistake. >> Instead of putting up an SMB server, why not use an SFTP server and an > NFS > >> server ? > >> > >> NFS server for anonymous mounts. And SFTP for authenticated mounts. > >> > > > We need to be able to access the server from windows clients too in the > > other lab, hence we decided for samba. We ran into either problems or > > complications while trying to deploy setups like nfs and ldap. And after > a > > lot of testing with this setup we have not observed any problems. Our > only > > problem seems to be with resetting the machines. > > Well, it is not forbidden to share $HOME through multiple protocols. > You mean we have NFS for anonymous mount, SFTP for authentication and Samba for windows clients (if I got that right)? >> And instead of having this script, why not initialize the ~guest with a > >> .desktop file which points to location like: sftp://192.168.5.82/ > > > It is indeed a .desktop file while just runs this script. This is for > > accessing the private shares of a particular user which is not same as > the > > 'user' account they use to login to the client. > > The reason I suggested is because entering a username/password in a dialog > box > looks straightforward to me, and SFTP url will be the same. You can > configure > OpenSSH in chroot mode[1] preventing users from exploring the server > file-system. > I think I missed the point earlier as we had not deployed SFTP ever. > And also if '/$un/' share requires authentication, you're entering same > username twice, one at your script and other in the user/password dialog > box > which nautilus pops up. SFTP offers secure access and is well integrated > with > Nautilus and GNOME VFS. > Yeah, this was annoying to enter the user name twice. Seems like this would be a far better solution. Thanks for all the help and your time. Will try this setup and inform here. -- Kartik Singhal Second Year BTech CSE Student, NIT Calicut http://www.techglider.com ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] [X-Post] Guest account in Ubuntu 10.04
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 [Your CCing the same mail to various lists in the name of X-Post sucks. It is rude when other lists permits only subscribers to post. So, for a little convenience of yours, you're pissing off those who are trying to help you. Please avoid this, this is not USENET.] Kartik Singhal writes: > Thanks Ashish for your response. > On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 9:30 PM, Ashish SHUKLA wrote: >> Instead of putting up an SMB server, why not use an SFTP server and an NFS >> server ? >> >> NFS server for anonymous mounts. And SFTP for authenticated mounts. >> > We need to be able to access the server from windows clients too in the > other lab, hence we decided for samba. We ran into either problems or > complications while trying to deploy setups like nfs and ldap. And after a > lot of testing with this setup we have not observed any problems. Our only > problem seems to be with resetting the machines. Well, it is not forbidden to share $HOME through multiple protocols. >> > #!/bin/bash >> >> echo 'Enter your username: ' >> >> read un >> >> nautilus smb://192.168.5.82/$un/ >> >> >> >> And instead of having this script, why not initialize the ~guest with a >> .desktop file which points to location like: sftp://192.168.5.82/ > It is indeed a .desktop file while just runs this script. This is for > accessing the private shares of a particular user which is not same as the > 'user' account they use to login to the client. The reason I suggested is because entering a username/password in a dialog box looks straightforward to me, and SFTP url will be the same. You can configure OpenSSH in chroot mode[1] preventing users from exploring the server file-system. And also if '/$un/' share requires authentication, you're entering same username twice, one at your script and other in the user/password dialog box which nautilus pops up. SFTP offers secure access and is well integrated with Nautilus and GNOME VFS. References: [1] http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/590 HTH - -- Ashish SHUKLA “Well, I guess cyborgs like myself have a tendency to be paranoid about our origins.” (Motoko Kusanagi in movie "Ghost in the Shell") -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.15 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJMSxiPAAoJEMdGz6nnT6SwokUP/ijus3teCq2LFnBptVeUVVhy 6usXe/p/aaNitnHVkevz0Ng7fzSPKg1m66hHMfW6MDjq6OT0VPdGpXaC2IkFPQQb G3UreeEPrk0HnibHUAW1KgU8MVa/VMYwpciVnKjEz0deHXXMRWzPApdY1qhB6d3Y xl6Mv5Q90KU/J18u/KuMphya2QfVUTH8DAwwv7FtO8ugCEInt0krFLo859N9WHfl lxtQd6mNBTwa17d2VmPElTWfTGVSxwL+9HVt+P42M1S6FoDIMXTtIWl5h3lgCRBq JT2YqHTuj5iVjo24wHwUb+CuserszjUWN/6IUjwcIPCQ1pKo7xQCZG2AHNp8Jz9N PDT0eFLcrnjaOEX4xxf2s3LWNOOMfbklBW9a88GnnjtbY66BpLy0s+b3NQzGRX+Y n2pVfmZB/JXqyhtzPYWVuNoSBuTMn+Plzc4sCCwz8W0/uZRXLZ4J8ysJcdY6T0T7 DF9y6uIAhtvF1dNzle/4VBjp6VOd/sp/ElpzwBpe5HPJytOnMYODhHgep/XyZJrC BgWw71ey3OdrAk/VmqRVTE/n8URUGYb4RCOj8zFPteP0e4zD2T+ogxAkeIds6THJ AA5nHB9ZT5uAUKmvORs3wW6vvk1HNkOc+LFYHOX1lIeaZJElq4k8+OJT7rpb6qy+ BUtlyFE9O38hQm3/af/d =Mj8P -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] [X-Post] Guest account in Ubuntu 10.04
Thanks Ashish for your response. On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 9:30 PM, Ashish SHUKLA wrote: > Instead of putting up an SMB server, why not use an SFTP server and an NFS > server ? > > NFS server for anonymous mounts. And SFTP for authenticated mounts. > We need to be able to access the server from windows clients too in the other lab, hence we decided for samba. We ran into either problems or complications while trying to deploy setups like nfs and ldap. And after a lot of testing with this setup we have not observed any problems. Our only problem seems to be with resetting the machines. > > #!/bin/bash > >> echo 'Enter your username: ' > >> read un > >> nautilus smb://192.168.5.82/$un/ > >> > > And instead of having this script, why not initialize the ~guest with a > .desktop file which points to location like: sftp://192.168.5.82/ It is indeed a .desktop file while just runs this script. This is for accessing the private shares of a particular user which is not same as the 'user' account they use to login to the client. Clarification: "user" is the name of account which is common for all machines and is used to login to them and they are supplied a private share on the server if they need. Otherwise, very conveniently, they can just use their pen drives for saving their private files without needing a user name in the lab. > > What we need though is a method by which we can "reset" the 'user' > account's > > home directory at each log in, deleting any traces of the previous user's > > activity and recreates these two icons. I had created the script to > generate > > the icons, it can just be integrated to the solution of this problem. > > What you need is a kiosk setup. There are lots of links about that on the > Internet, including one by jwz[1]. Or a modern (and of course recommended) > way, using pam_namespace[2]. Fedora used this in Fedora Kiosk spin[3], > IIRC. > > References: > [1] http://www.dnalounge.com/backstage/src/kiosk/#auto-reset > [2] > http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/Linux-PAM-html/sag-pam_namespace.html > [3] http://spins.fedoraproject.org/kiosk/ Thanks for the links. Trying to figure out if I find something for our need. -- Kartik Singhal BTech CSE Student, NIT Calicut http://www.techglider.com ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] [X-Post] Guest account in Ubuntu 10.04
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Kartik Singhal writes: > We are setting up a lab in our computer center for encouraging students to > use linux. We are already done with setting up Ubuntu 10.04 32-bit on most > of the systems. What we have planned is to give a common underprivileged > 'user' account in all the systems with same password that we can tell the > users. Users have the advantage of using their flash drives which they were > not allowed to use on windows systems because of viruses. > The problem of common storage is being taken into account by having a > central storage server running samba. It is available in the form of two > icons on the desktop: > 1. Public-Share-on-Ubuntu-Server (which is publicly accessible by everyone > and is permanently mounted on the client as a /etc/fstab entry) > 2. Access-Private-Share-on-Ubuntu-Server (which is private to a particular > user) Instead of putting up an SMB server, why not use an SFTP server and an NFS server ? NFS server for anonymous mounts. And SFTP for authenticated mounts. > The second icon is just a shortcut to the following script which allows > users to access their private files after requesting (only on first usage) > for a user name from one of the lab assistants: > #!/bin/bash >> echo 'Enter your username: ' >> read un >> nautilus smb://192.168.5.82/$un/ >> And instead of having this script, why not initialize the ~guest with a .desktop file which points to location like: sftp://192.168.5.82/ > What we need though is a method by which we can "reset" the 'user' account's > home directory at each log in, deleting any traces of the previous user's > activity and recreates these two icons. I had created the script to generate > the icons, it can just be integrated to the solution of this problem. What you need is a kiosk setup. There are lots of links about that on the Internet, including one by jwz[1]. Or a modern (and of course recommended) way, using pam_namespace[2]. Fedora used this in Fedora Kiosk spin[3], IIRC. References: [1] http://www.dnalounge.com/backstage/src/kiosk/#auto-reset [2] http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/Linux-PAM-html/sag-pam_namespace.html [3] http://spins.fedoraproject.org/kiosk/ HTH - -- Ashish SHUKLA | GPG: F682 CDCC 39DC 0FEA E116 20B6 C746 CFA9 E74F A4B0 freebsd.org!ashish | http://people.freebsd.org/~ashish/ “Premature optimisation is the root of all evil in programming.” (C. A. R. Hoare) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.15 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJMSw4FAAoJEMdGz6nnT6SwLU0P/irM8bGUQeC4qDOnn1c2RyXK WvjPhAiOk/avGpI/j/2Ir054aO1NRHCpUcG1DXeZtVzGNTct9v8wFTIn/ZGR1emm YfCwxCufdfXRCklEdPRw4CNDxERmUob+u1a9BbDg1qiblHVHjl523R6pxO4OkhLG hTfwWLnoyg44WtIRdVW14cacEVZQAFkieHsFYRqNVCpKv1IPI6VYYa8QKMcWV89U FECNE3lkf+kUT/Fl4dJZrp8/NatMZ6Ng58WMDOayhtFR0NDyqBKdkKBKxTVG/2ua GuFp+c/ozdEiZKgE2NHqwO138UAfnAifB/1EiAh8WtqsxWVfhpCeJnAxIjFUmN8y zbKGzhG14L9qjaqWTZv2J0vORjl/6hVVM0THKc/pEZ6eCwq2ikNutfvCdQ2s1ptP zAa4/my9Jzafpb9z5cnEXLjWUY+Fp4W3rQMU/UVQVPYPmODNHU2NTijnhWDjK+dz IFQpXRpCg0XA/XBm+ry80rxrIf0gMNsLWFwuqS4Tm1LyDeWGM3+C54CdkkTrmoam CGdRlwJLNrMN2/pMuX93+U+kItOpyi8/8rrLpPQzXu9usQ8KtvhIZdzDhZTOFRko OJ1VwRq2wLrrB2uu2vYHSz1TIXtdBNDfHwAYKU94EmYBJsIU1GTQcJIdrEzoaBWN QML4OLg28QBrOQu0YL6i =Ythe -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
[ilugd] [X-POST] Guest account in Ubuntu 10.04
We are setting up a lab in our computer center for encouraging students to use linux. We are already done with setting up Ubuntu 10.04 32-bit on most of the systems. What we have planned is to give a common underprivileged 'user' account in all the systems with same password that we can tell the users. Users have the advantage of using their flash drives which they were not allowed to use on windows systems because of viruses. The problem of common storage is being taken into account by having a central storage server running samba. It is available in the form of two icons on the desktop: 1. Public-Share-on-Ubuntu-Server (which is publicly accessible by everyone and is permanently mounted on the client as a /etc/fstab entry) 2. Access-Private-Share-on- Ubuntu-Server (which is private to a particular user) The second icon is just a shortcut to the following script which allows users to access their private files after requesting (only on first usage) for a user name from one of the lab assistants: #!/bin/bash > echo 'Enter your username: ' > read un > nautilus smb://192.168.5.82/$un/ > What we need though is a method by which we can "reset" the 'user' account's home directory at each log in, deleting any traces of the previous user's activity and recreates these two icons. I had created the script to generate the icons, it can just be integrated to the solution of this problem. Though the Guest account that does this is available on ubuntu but it is only accessible when some other user is logged in and can't be accessed from the main login screen. The following was taken from ubuntuforums ( http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1024371) > Imagine the scenario: > > A library patron logs on to check his email, surf the web, then downloads a > photo from his camera and puts it in a document that he then saves to a > thumb drive. He logs off and leaves. We don't want the next patron that uses > that machine to "see" any of the things previous users did, where they went > or documents they worked on. > > I don't mind the idea of a user account that has a password, we could give > that out when the patron signs in, heck we could even change it once in a > while. However, lock down of the account and deletion of previous user > activity is of most importance. > Our requirement is similar. After a lot of searching on the net I have not been able to find a way to do this. If you have done any similar lab scenario, please share the method on the list. It would be a great help. -- Kartik Singhal BTech CSE Student, NIT Calicut http://www.techglider.com ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] REAL FOSS
On Saturday 24 Jul 2010, Nishant Prakash Kashyap wrote: > *Finally I've learned one thing, even Open Source is not for > Community, it is test bed for Corporate houses, a place for them to > get the developers work for free, finally put a logo and then earn > name, fame or money(anone one or all). And if any of the community > member ever tries to give his REAL open views, best is taken care to > supress the views.* I have no clue what you're referring to, but if you promote a proprietary software package in one breath and complain about an Open Source community in the next, it's difficult to understand what your objective is. Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathurr...@kandalaya.org http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F PsyTrance & Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
[ilugd] [X-Post] Guest account in Ubuntu 10.04
We are setting up a lab in our computer center for encouraging students to use linux. We are already done with setting up Ubuntu 10.04 32-bit on most of the systems. What we have planned is to give a common underprivileged 'user' account in all the systems with same password that we can tell the users. Users have the advantage of using their flash drives which they were not allowed to use on windows systems because of viruses. The problem of common storage is being taken into account by having a central storage server running samba. It is available in the form of two icons on the desktop: 1. Public-Share-on-Ubuntu-Server (which is publicly accessible by everyone and is permanently mounted on the client as a /etc/fstab entry) 2. Access-Private-Share-on-Ubuntu-Server (which is private to a particular user) The second icon is just a shortcut to the following script which allows users to access their private files after requesting (only on first usage) for a user name from one of the lab assistants: #!/bin/bash > echo 'Enter your username: ' > read un > nautilus smb://192.168.5.82/$un/ > What we need though is a method by which we can "reset" the 'user' account's home directory at each log in, deleting any traces of the previous user's activity and recreates these two icons. I had created the script to generate the icons, it can just be integrated to the solution of this problem. Though the Guest account that does this is available on ubuntu but it is only accessible when some other user is logged in and can't be accessed from the main login screen. The following was taken from ubuntuforums ( http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1024371) > Imagine the scenario: > > A library patron logs on to check his email, surf the web, then downloads a > photo from his camera and puts it in a document that he then saves to a > thumb drive. He logs off and leaves. We don't want the next patron that uses > that machine to "see" any of the things previous users did, where they went > or documents they worked on. > > I don't mind the idea of a user account that has a password, we could give > that out when the patron signs in, heck we could even change it once in a > while. However, lock down of the account and deletion of previous user > activity is of most importance. > Our requirement is similar. After a lot of searching on the net I have not been able to find a way to do this. If you have done any similar lab scenario, please share the method on the list. It would be a great help. -- Kartik Singhal BTech CSE Student, NIT Calicut http://www.techglider.com ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
[ilugd] REAL FOSS
*Finally I've learned one thing, even Open Source is not for Community, it is test bed for Corporate houses, a place for them to get the developers work for free, finally put a logo and then earn name, fame or money(anone one or all). And if any of the community member ever tries to give his REAL open views, best is taken care to supress the views.* -- Regards, Nishant Kashyap ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] MTS MBlaze woes
On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 05:20:07 +0530 Andrew Lynn wrote: [...] > I do not have the device you are using, but had similar problems > with my MTNL 3G usb data card. Switching from storage device to > modem can be done with the usb_modeswitch package. This is > automated, and updating to 1.12 and above solved the problem for > me. [...] Not using MTS, nor Ubuntu 10.04 (still on 9.04), but will echo Andrew's recommendation of usb-modeswitch. This should exist as a package for 10.04, but I had to manually build it for 9.04, using downloads from here: http://www.draisberghof.de/usb_modeswitch/ Regards, Gora ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Initrd query
On 24 July 2010 15:19, Mahesh Pai wrote: > Can an initrd image built for one hard ware boot other hard ware > configuration? Specifically, my ups conked out taking regular machines > down with it. Nothing much can be done. And i an lucky to get back the > disk with data and os intact. That was an msi mobo with via chipset. > Today evening I will get a new system with asus m2n 68 am mobo and > nvidia 7025 chipset. Will i be able boot on new mobo using old initrd > image? If not what do i need to do? The old initrd image is built > using the option to use only required modules. Which meant several > modules were left out and i got a very small initrd image and faster > system. Apologies for poor formatting. Posting from mobile. Dunno how > to enter line break. > > ___ The initrd on installation media is quite generic. You can use that. If you can boot into the system from an alternate medium, chroot and you can use mkinitrd to create a fresh one. Regards Anil ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
[ilugd] Initrd query
Can an initrd image built for one hard ware boot other hard ware configuration? Specifically, my ups conked out taking regular machines down with it. Nothing much can be done. And i an lucky to get back the disk with data and os intact. That was an msi mobo with via chipset. Today evening I will get a new system with asus m2n 68 am mobo and nvidia 7025 chipset. Will i be able boot on new mobo using old initrd image? If not what do i need to do? The old initrd image is built using the option to use only required modules. Which meant several modules were left out and i got a very small initrd image and faster system. Apologies for poor formatting. Posting from mobile. Dunno how to enter line break. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
