Re: [ilugd] (long mail - a report) Linux FOSS workshop at Acharya Narendra Dev College (Delhi University) formation of College LUG
Saurabh Nanda wrote: The same logic may apply if someone is so touchy about ATM software -- which IMHO is highly unlikely. I would be quite touchy about ATM software, if the guy who came after me, managed to withdraw cash from my account since the s/w had issues. Google for 'windows atm crash', the world is littered with evidence. I used to have some pics on my mobile phone a while back from an ATM machine which had crashed, and was running in debug mode, so you could see the entire transactions it was doing with the backend service - in real time!! -- Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] (long mail - a report) Linux FOSS workshop at Acharya Narendra Dev College (Delhi University) formation of College LUG
Second, I do not produce alternative solutions for running ATMs. If I did, I would in fact want to work with a bank that ran it ATMs on my platform. Huh again? There are other ATM OSes, but the Microsoft based ones are more popular ,current and featured. Now would you as an individual not use ICICI simply because its ATM service is based on Microsoft's software? Anyway, if my analogy is not clear to you, we can stop here. Such matters do affect decision making of individuals. And concerns are not merely about freedom in software technologies. There are other aspects of freedom that are important, and perhaps more so. I do not deal with ICICI bank for reasons very similar to my choice of using linux on my computer. But I want to reiterate, the issue here is not decision taken by an individual about using a service. We were talking about decision taken by a corporation to use service provided by another corporation using a rival software. The difference is vital. Vikas ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] (long mail - a report) Linux FOSS workshop at Acharya Narendra Dev College (Delhi University) formation of College LUG
On Dec 13, 2007 10:15 AM, Sandip Bhattacharya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vikas Rawal wrote: After all, in principle, they could go to another vendor who will host their website on their platform!! Would you stop using banks because their ATMs are based on Windows? It is obviously an incorrect analogy. First, you are comparing decision-making of a corporation with that of an individual. Huh? Microsoft - ICICI Akamai caching service - ATM technology Second, I do not produce alternative solutions for running ATMs. If I did, I would in fact want to work with a bank that ran it ATMs on my platform. Huh again? There are other ATM OSes, but the Microsoft based ones are more popular ,current and featured. Now would you as an individual not use ICICI simply because its ATM service is based on Microsoft's software? Well unlike Microsoft, I am not in the business of selling a popular OS, the sales of which depend primarily on existing install base inertia and snazzy marketing; And consequently, it would not kill me to admit that one of the companies I deal with on a daily basis thinks that the 'alternative' is a better option than my OS offering for hosting important data. I mean - download.microsoft.com is running on Linux! Me and my Linux loving friends had a hearty laugh over it, much like Niyam's when he pointed out this thing in the beginning of this thread, and much to the chagrin of all the windows lovers around us. Let's not let this one go unnoticed.. -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] (long mail - a report) Linux FOSS workshop at Acharya Narendra Dev College (Delhi University) formation of College LUG
Vikas Rawal wrote: It is obviously an incorrect analogy. First, you are comparing decision-making of a corporation with that of an individual. Second, I do not produce alternative solutions for running ATMs. If I did, I would in fact want to work with a bank that ran it ATMs on my platform. os/2 ? -- Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] (long mail - a report) Linux FOSS workshop at Acharya Narendra Dev College (Delhi University) formation of College LUG
After all, in principle, they could go to another vendor who will host their website on their platform!! its about a service, not a religion. I don't understand. But it does not bother me too much. I call it quits here. Vikas ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] (long mail - a report) Linux FOSS workshop at Acharya Narendra Dev College (Delhi University) formation of College LUG
After all, in principle, they could go to another vendor who will host their website on their platform!! Would you stop using banks because their ATMs are based on Windows? It is obviously an incorrect analogy. First, you are comparing decision-making of a corporation with that of an individual. Second, I do not produce alternative solutions for running ATMs. If I did, I would in fact want to work with a bank that ran it ATMs on my platform. Vikas ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] (long mail - a report) Linux FOSS workshop at Acharya Narendra Dev College (Delhi University) formation of College LUG
Vikas Rawal wrote: After all, in principle, they could go to another vendor who will host their website on their platform!! Would you stop using banks because their ATMs are based on Windows? It is obviously an incorrect analogy. First, you are comparing decision-making of a corporation with that of an individual. Huh? Microsoft - ICICI Akamai caching service - ATM technology Second, I do not produce alternative solutions for running ATMs. If I did, I would in fact want to work with a bank that ran it ATMs on my platform. Huh again? There are other ATM OSes, but the Microsoft based ones are more popular ,current and featured. Now would you as an individual not use ICICI simply because its ATM service is based on Microsoft's software? Anyway, if my analogy is not clear to you, we can stop here. - Sandip ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] (long mail - a report) Linux FOSS workshop at Acharya Narendra Dev College (Delhi University) formation of College LUG
Saurabh Nanda wrote: you might find the laugh being at your expense, when you realise that its an outsourced service. I don't think so. Large corporations have strict guidelines and specifications that their vendors need to follow. These may include: * software with exact version * coding guidelines * documentation guidelines * brand guidelines for logo placements, selection of fonts, selection of colours etc. (Microsoft has a 3kg glossy printed book detailing each one of these) So, Microsoft, theoretically, has full control over what their vendors do. It's a different matter, that in this case they're not exercising it, sounds like blind assumption to me. as Ashish already pointed out, most of this content stuff is from akamai, which run Linux and Bsd across the board. -- Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] (long mail - a report) Linux FOSS workshop at Acharya Narendra Dev College (Delhi University) formation of College LUG
I don't think so. Large corporations have strict guidelines and specifications that their vendors need to follow. These may include: * software with exact version * coding guidelines * documentation guidelines * brand guidelines for logo placements, selection of fonts, selection of colours etc. (Microsoft has a 3kg glossy printed book detailing each one of these) So, Microsoft, theoretically, has full control over what their vendors do. It's a different matter, that in this case they're not exercising it, sounds like blind assumption to me. as Ashish already pointed out, most of this content stuff is from akamai, which run Linux and Bsd across the board. It is nevertheless interesting that a company that sells operating systems for servers and web server software, does not/cannot get its own website hosted on their own software. After all, in principle, they could go to another vendor who will host their website on their platform!! Vikas ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] (long mail - a report) Linux FOSS workshop at Acharya Narendra Dev College (Delhi University) formation of College LUG
Vikas Rawal wrote: It is nevertheless interesting that a company that sells operating systems for servers and web server software, does not/cannot get its own website hosted on their own software. ok, this is getting a bit silly here. Vikas, there are people like akamai who run thousands of servers at various peerings points all over the internet and sell that as a service to other people, whoever might want to use it. After all, in principle, they could go to another vendor who will host their website on their platform!! its about a service, not a religion. -- Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] (long mail - a report) Linux FOSS workshop at Acharya Narendra Dev College (Delhi University) formation of College LUG
Vikas Rawal wrote: After all, in principle, they could go to another vendor who will host their website on their platform!! Would you stop using banks because their ATMs are based on Windows? - Sandip ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] (long mail - a report) Linux FOSS workshop at Acharya Narendra Dev College (Delhi University) formation of College LUG
how can possible it is -- Norat Sataswat Pratech IT [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile:- 09860697486 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] (long mail - a report) Linux FOSS workshop at Acharya Narendra Dev College (Delhi University) formation of College LUG
[snip] ... it was demonstrated to the participants (through www.netcraft.com website) that even microsoft was running their server (download.microsoft.com) using Linux as the OS. Participants wondered if this was the case of that builder who would not live in building made by himself. ! [snip] hahahahaa. ROTFL brilliant! another perspective shows the greatness of foss without belittling microsoft: the greatness of foss is that anybody can use it for any purpose, even those who fiercely and insidiously try to oppose it. this is a measure of true freedom. :-) niyam bhushan ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] (long mail - a report) Linux FOSS workshop at Acharya Narendra Dev College (Delhi University) formation of College LUG
--- Sudhir Gandotra wrote: Next was the 12th standard student Arjun Asthana who explained the C++ programming on Linux. Explaining that Turbo C was based on standards of 1993, he urged the authorities to move ahead so that college students can learn Programming on latest standards. Coo! Great job dude! Later in the practical session, he also explained how it was possible to run Turbo C in Linux using DosBox so that Linux machines can be used to study this compulsory topic till the authorities decide to modernize the curriculum. Do you have a how-to of running Turbo C++ 3.0 under DosBox? Apparently, many still fail to realize that Turbo C or Turbo C++ 3.0 is a 16-bit compiler and tends to emulate a DOS environment when working in Windows 2000 Professional (:-0) or Windows XP. It is also equally important for people to know that a lot of graphic capabilities it offers is restricted to the product itself. However, the product continues to enjoy disk space on many computers across Computer Labs in Mumbai colleges conducting BSc (CS IT), and guess what, MSc(CS IT) courses. Arjun, being so young and having over 6 years' experience of programming on Linux became a hit among the participants who all wanted to ask him so many things. In his simple unassuming style, Arjun was seen answering all their questions, many times talking about the standards, the technologies being used on Linux and the advanced possibilities that existed for students on Linux. Coo! Arjun. Are you into Vocational Science? (Dosbox hints to me that you are coo! gamer too :) ) -- http://www.gnu.org.in http://www.somaiya.edu/sksasc Save all your chat conversations. Find them online at http://in.messenger.yahoo.com/webmessengerpromo.php ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] (long mail - a report) Linux FOSS workshop at Acharya Narendra Dev College (Delhi University) formation of College LUG
Linux Lingam wrote: it was demonstrated to the participants (through www.netcraft.com website) that even microsoft was running their server (download.microsoft.com) using Linux as the OS. Participants wondered if this was the case of that builder who would not live in building made by himself. ! hahahahaa. ROTFL brilliant! you might find the laugh being at your expense, when you realise that its an outsourced service. -- Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] (long mail - a report) Linux FOSS workshop at Acharya Narendra Dev College (Delhi University) formation of College LUG
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ,--[ On Monday 10 Dec 2007, Karanbir Singh wrote: | Linux Lingam wrote: | it was demonstrated to the | participants (through www.netcraft.com website) that even microsoft was | running their server (download.microsoft.com) using Linux as the OS. | Participants wondered if this was the case of that builder who would not | live in building made by himself. ! | | hahahahaa. ROTFL | brilliant! | | you might find the laugh being at your expense, when you realise that | its an outsourced service. True, its akamai, serving content. - -- Ashish Shukla आशीष शुक्ल http://wahjava.wordpress.com/ ·-- ·- ·--- ·- ···- ·- ·--·-· --· -- ·- ·· ·-·· ·-·-·- -·-· --- -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHXi4ZHy+EEHYuXnQRArifAKC21av3o5mZyi4FJS5F3B1mrnaSXwCfcS0G CFtVYKi3z/++3X98pcn0wkg= =vetj -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] (long mail - a report) Linux FOSS workshop at Acharya Narendra Dev College (Delhi University) formation of College LUG
you might find the laugh being at your expense, when you realise that its an outsourced service. I don't think so. Large corporations have strict guidelines and specifications that their vendors need to follow. These may include: * software with exact version * coding guidelines * documentation guidelines * brand guidelines for logo placements, selection of fonts, selection of colours etc. (Microsoft has a 3kg glossy printed book detailing each one of these) So, Microsoft, theoretically, has full control over what their vendors do. It's a different matter, that in this case they're not exercising it, Saurabh. -- http://nandz.blogspot.com http://foodieforlife.blogspot.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] (long mail - a report) Linux FOSS workshop at Acharya Narendra Dev College (Delhi University) formation of College LUG
LINUX FOSS WORKSHOP ORGANIZED BY : ACHARYA NARENDRA DEV COLLEGE, jointly with OPENLX LINUX Venue : Acharya Narendra Dev College, Govindpuri, New Delhi. Date : 6 7 December 2007. Time : 0930 to 1730 hrs. Initially planned as a simple Linux familiarization workshop for staff and students of the college, it became as a full-fledged LINUX FOSS WORKSHOP with speakers and visitors from outside the college and Media, apart from the college students and faculty. The workshop was organized by the college jointly with OpenLX Linux who brought in the expert speakers, its own team and expertise to build a futuristic event. Dr. Savithri Singh, Principal, Acharya Narendra Dev College, welcomed Prof. Poonam Bedi (Head, Department of Computer Science, University of Delhi), the speakers and the participants to the workshop. In her remarks she explained how she was introduced to Linux and Wikipidia and her initial interesting experience with Linux. She wondered if Universities across the world can use Linux for education, why can't we in India do it. She mentioned that this workshop is aimed to become an example and that we should take the torch of Linux knowledge to all the other colleges of Delhi University, creating a live example for all. She explained how various Governments across the world including the Kerala State Government have declared “NO” to windows and “YES” to exclusive usage of Linux for their work. “There is a gradual realization and shift towards Linux across the globe”, she said. Delhi University has taken the first step by giving us the new computers with Linux installed and now we are taking it forward in our college. One of the college lab is now 100% Linux, and another one is dual boot. Now, we all will learn and master Linux and move ahead. We are committed for Linux, she declared. She explained the importance of the availability of source code and how this helps students learn the technology, and that, this is not possible on windows, it being a closed source proprietory technology. She announced that there will be more such workshop for more people and follow-up workshops for current participants on advanced subjects of Linux, to expand and enhance the learning. She declared that personally as well as college Principal, she is fully committed to Linux. She invited the participants to learn the maximum and take it to others around them, thus spreading real-education. The workshop was formally Inaugurated by Prof. Poonam Bedi (Head, Department of Computer Science, University of Delhi), who extended her full support to this trend-creating event and wished that such activities happen across the University in all the colleges. She explained the Linux initiative at Delhi University and the support that Linux implementations and usage has started receiving from various quarters. Comparing between Linux, Windows and Macintosh, she explained the advantages of Linux vis-a-vis the other two and urged the audience to try Linux, it being Free, Open Source and Virus-free. She thanked the audience for participating in the event and wished a great success to the event. Sudhir Gandotra, C.E.O. OpenLX Linux introduced Linux explaining the Freedom, Open Source etc. aspects of it. Using a slide show he explained to participants the reasons why Linux is the only choice for true education in I.T. And urged the authorities to convert the syllabus from being product-oriented to technology oriented. Connecting Linux machine to Internet through data-card (without needing any driver to use the data-card), it was demonstrated to the participants (through www.netcraft.com website) that even microsoft was running their server (download.microsoft.com) using Linux as the OS. Participants wondered if this was the case of that builder who would not live in building made by himself. ! During the practical session, the participants were given a Linux installed computer to use it the way they wished. In this session, there was no agenda and it was found that participants started exploring various applications/tools on the KDE that was available to them on these machines having OpenLX Linux installed there. While they all started working as ROOT user, they were explained the security risk attached and were shown how to create a user and they all shifted from ROOT user to GUEST user. Post lunch, there was a demonstration on how to do RAD programming using QT, by Ratheesh from OpenLX. Next was the 12th standard student Arjun Asthana who explained the C++ programming on Linux. Explaining that Turbo C was based on standards of 1993, he urged the authorities to move ahead so that college students can learn Programming on latest standards. Later in the practical session, he also explained how it was possible to run Turbo C in Linux using DosBox so that Linux machines can be used to study this compulsory topic till the authorities decide to modernize the curriculum.
