[ilugd] [LONG] Re: Plan for Freed.in 2008

2007-12-26 Thread Raj Mathur
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Hi Saurabh,

Thanks for the comments.  I'm not trying to answer all your questions 
here, just give my views on the event.  Comments inline...

On Thursday 27 Dec 2007, Saurabh Nanda wrote:
 Hi Gora,

 I have attended only one Freed (it was called Freedel at that point)
 and the focus seems to have shifted quite a bit since that time (open
 source s/w focused event to a more social revolution kind of
 event). Therefore, please read my comments in that context -- most of
 them may be emanating from the fact that the new direction doesn't
 fit my notion of the event.

 1. How does a focus on the Knowledge Ecosystem tie in with open
 source software? It surely ties in with open standards (and file
 formats), but not necessarily with free/open source software.
 However, freed.in may focus on the use of open source software in
 helping create the knowledge system - which is absolutely fine.
 Except that (a) this is not stated anywhere explicitly in the
 document, and (b) not all content can be managed properly with open
 source s/w as of now.

That's actually the crore-Rupee question.  Bear with me through this 
discussion, since it is the one on which the whole new look of the 
event hinges.

If you look at our country (and probably most developing countries), you 
will see that the fundamental issues relate to availability of 
knowledge, not availability of software.  Many of our fellow citizens 
do not have access to knowledge critical to their continued, affluent 
survival.  Whether it is market rates in neighbouring towns (so you can 
decide where to sell your grain), movements of fish schools (so you 
know where to cast your net), weather information (so you know when and 
what to plant), information about social groups helping women (so they 
can make their own lives and not be married off into virtual slavery at 
the age of 11) or simple primary and secondary education, the majority 
of our countrymen (and women!) do not have it.  Posting free CDs of 
Linux to people who don't have the computers to run them on won't help 
in any of these areas -- software isn't the whole solution, it's just 
part of it.

Keeping this in mind, the most critical task for this country becomes 
provision of knowledge to those who need it but do not have it.  You 
and I can sit at ease in our offices and bedrooms, with 256 Kb/s 
connections and have the world at our fingertips.  If we need formal 
education we can access any number of university sites that provide 
course online; if we need the latest stock quotes we only have to push 
a couple of buttons; if we need diversion there is any amount of music, 
video and books available.  Now if only everyone could have access to 
similar classes of information, in a language and format they could use 
and on a device they could afford, India would be a much wealthier 
nation.  Yes, I'm selfish -- the primary reason I want equitable access 
to information is not because I want to raise the living standards of 
our billion-plus people, but because I want to live in a wealthier 
country.  Surely some of that wealth will trickle up/down to me too :)

Now let's go one step further...

Knowledge and wisdom aren't the monopoly of the urban and/or wealthier 
classes.  They exist everywhere, at all levels, in all strata and 
classes of society.  So far the world has been viewing knowledge 
through a producer-consumer tinted lens.  But why should that be?  Why 
should a consumer of music not be a producer of information about water 
resources?  Why should a producer of weather information not be a 
consumer of information about diseases of cows?  Is there really that 
much of a difference?  In my opinion, not today.

I see 2 Internet technologies that have changed the way we look at the 
producer-consumer paradigm:

- Wikis.  The Wiki as a tool completely rewrites the rules of 
authorship, and converts the author/reader combination into a 
collaboration paradigm .  With a Wiki, anyone who has something to say 
about a topic has the ability to say it and add to the global corpus of 
knowledge.  For example, the document you have critiqued is a Wiki 
document, produced through the collaboration of at least 10 people with 
more people contributing all the time.

- Blogs.  Blogs permit an individual to express her views and share her 
knowledge with the world.  OK, so many of us don't have anything 
particularly exciting to say about anything.  Fine -- I may not visit 
your blog, but I will definitely fight for your right to blog :)  BTW, 
I'm including sites like youtube in the blog category -- expression 
isn't just through text, it can be any medium you choose.

So where is that huge fund of knowledge that is lying with the 
individuals of India?  Can I access it?  Can I use it?  Can I enhance 
it?  No, since it's hidden away in the minds and collective wisdom in 
villages and small towns, whose people do not have any 

Re: [ilugd] [LONG] Re: Plan for Freed.in 2008

2007-12-26 Thread Saurabh Nanda
 If you look at our country (and probably most developing countries), you
 will see that the fundamental issues relate to availability of
 knowledge, not availability of software.

  Posting free CDs of
 Linux to people who don't have the computers to run them on won't help
 in any of these areas -- software isn't the whole solution, it's just
 part of it.

Exactly. This whole thing about the knowledge economy is not
necessarily about software. Its about mind sets. It's the same mind
set that is required to get an RTI act into effect. Sure, the RTI act
is more effective if the information dissemination is not through
individual applications and replies -- but it still works without the
software.

 So where is that huge fund of knowledge that is lying with the
 individuals of India?  Can I access it?  Can I use it?  Can I enhance
 it?  No, since it's hidden away in the minds and collective wisdom in
 villages and small towns, whose people do not have any means available
 for expressing that wisdom and sharing it with the rest of the world.
 One of freed.in's goals at this event is to discuss ways forward for
 enabling the free collection and dissemination of knowledge, no matter
 where in this country or in the developing world it exists.

At the risk of oversimplification: Today's society and economy is
hinged upon the availability of knowledge. Digital technologies have
proven to be an effective way for sharing such knowledge. Digital
technologies are not available to most of India (especially rural
parts). Is Freed.in about bridging this digital divide?

 Finally, to answer the question you raised raised at the end of your
 first para, knowledge that is hidden away in a proprietary format, no
 matter how prevalent the format or how high the quality of the
 knowledge, is useless in the new paradigm IMNSHO.

No. In fact, I said that knowledge needs to be stored in open formats
and transmitted using standard (open) protocols. That's necessary.
What's not necessary is that the *tools* required to manipulate these
formats be free and open source. For example, a Wiki developed in .Net
and deployed on Microsoft Server 2k with IIS as the web server is
still a Wiki. It will achieve the purpose of knowledge sharing in the
same way a Twiki on LAMP does.

Saurabh.
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http://nandz.blogspot.com
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