Re: [ilugd] The Perfect Replacement For MP3 (Stanley Thomas' blog)
On 6/26/07, Nishant Sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Linux Lingam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but alas, i don't know of a single personal or stereo or other oggplayer hardware available in india. MPIO (www.mpio.com) players support OGG format. They are imported by a Lucknow based company called Nabroco (www.nabroco.com). I have one MPIO but that model does not support OGG. The only fact that made me consider them is they are Linux friendly and are detected as mass storage device - simply drag n drop with unlimited level of directories. nishant, ALL personal mp3 players get detected by gnulinux these days, as mass storage devices for simple drag n drop. and almost all get detected by media-playin' software as well, for music, such as amarok, rhythmbox etc. this is 2007. :-) n ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] The Perfect Replacement For MP3 (Stanley Thomas' blog)
--- Linux Lingam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but alas, i don't know of a single personal or stereo or other oggplayer hardware available in india. MPIO (www.mpio.com) players support OGG format. They are imported by a Lucknow based company called Nabroco (www.nabroco.com). I have one MPIO but that model does not support OGG. The only fact that made me consider them is they are Linux friendly and are detected as mass storage device - simply drag n drop with unlimited level of directories. regards, Nishant -- Peace, Love and Compile the kernel. http://www.nishants.net The DELETE button on Yahoo! Mail is unhappy. Go here to know why http://in.mail.yahoo.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] The Perfect Replacement For MP3 (Stanley Thomas' blog)
Feedback, praise, brickbats to: Stanley Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED], -- Forwarded message -- http://perfector.wordpress.com/ The Perfect Replacement For MP3 Digital music is probably the only kind of music everybody is listening to these days. The reason being that its smaller in size and thus makes it easy to share and store. Imagine downloading a 4 minute track thats approximately 40 Mb in size in a place where access to the internet is terrible and costs a bomb (thats usually the case in most places in the world). Thankfully, compression algorithms exists that can compress the same audio track to one-tenth its size, thus we do not have to imagine the above. Few weeks back I downloaded 2 albums, My Dying Bride - A Line Of Deathless Kings and Slayer - Christ Illusion. The Slayer album was ripped at a very low bitrate and was not sounding too good. The album contained 14 tracks and obviously it was ripped at a lower bitrate to reduce its size. Many thanks to all the people who shared the album with me, but it was just not to my liking. There was no quality and I was furious because it took me a long time to download the album as not many people were sharing it. Boy, what a waste of time and a killer of expectation. Well thats what made me write this. Mp3 is an audio compression format that has taken the world by a storm. Mp3 is almost a synonym for music nowadays as Google is for search. Now, here comes the problem.. MP3 was good at one point in time, but not anymore. What's better? OGG VORBIS. AAC, Lame, MP3Pro neither of 'em match up to Ogg Vorbis' standards. Don't take my word for it, you can do simple tests to prove it. Take your favorite audio cd, select a track that you have heard a million times and don't mind listening to a hundred more and rip it to ogg vorbis as well as to mp3. Compare the mp3 and the ogg file to the track on the cd by listening, well now you know what I'm talking about. The ogg file is a much faithful reproduction of the cd than the mp3. An ogg file of 80kbps (bitrate) is equivalent to an mp3 encoded at 128kbps. Hey, there is still one more issue called size. Ofcourse here again the ogg file beats the mp3 hollow. For the same size one can achieve a higher bitrate with ogg vorbis than with mp3. The best part ogg vorbis by default encodes in variable bitrate (which deliveres better quality than constant bitrate). Isn't this a great piece of information for any music lover? There are a more advantages in using ogg. Ogg is patent-free. Ok, we are just not bothered about patents here in India, but in this case we have to be because a lot of music that we listen to everyday is coming from outside India. Musicians who sell their songs in mp3 have to pay royalties. They could just save a bit more of cash by selling all over the world their songs in ogg vorbis. Not just does it benefit them but it also benefits listeners and fans. But do you think that they are seriously bothered? Music is become a business rather than an art form. Nobody cares about the quality of music their fans are listening to as long as they are minting big bucks and are being voted for the Grammy's. Portable players like ipod's also have to pay royalties but still are unwilling to support patent-free formats like ogg. Why? Because they too are doing well in selling their products. Neither the musician nor the manufacturers of players are bothered about the listener. As a guy on one of the mailing lists puts it if only all the music in china was ripped into ogg vorbis, surely then a lot of players would be supporting it. There are a few portable players available that support ogg vorbis. Many of the game developers are using ogg vorbis and are very happy with the quality of sound and even happier because they are getting away without paying licenses. e.g. Doom 3. Ogg is only the container just like avi. It can contain several data streams at once, like video and the corresponding audio. Vorbis is the name of an open source audio compression format. There exists Theora for video compression and Speex for speech. I haven't really tried these though. If you notice I haven't mentioned anything about Windows Media Audio (wma) and Real Audio (ra), thats because I find these to be very cheap proprietary formats. I would never recommend these to any music lover. The best part about using ogg is that its open source. A lot of intense development will continue to take place to ensure that ogg vorbis remains the best. Its going to be literally impossible for any other proprietary format to beat ogg in the future. Almost all linux distributions play ogg out of the box. Things are looking bright for ogg, especially with all the Dell machines being sold with Ubuntu, we can expect a lot of vorbis encoded music from the US. Happy listening! June 25th, 2007 Categories: General . Author: stan . Comments: No Comments -- FN: Frederick Noronha Phone 0091-832-2409490 http://wikiwikiweb.de/MyContacts
Re: [ilugd] The Perfect Replacement For MP3 (Stanley Thomas' blog)
ogg rocks! been waiting and watching since quite a few years, but alas, i don't know of a single personal or stereo or other oggplayer hardware available in india. surprisingly though, the new breed of dvd-players support divx and that's very cool. but no ogg. anybody knows any ogg player here? niyam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] The Perfect Replacement For MP3 (Stanley Thomas' blog)
find a whole lot of software that uses libvorbis or similar technology.. - http://www.vorbis.com/software/ On 25/06/07, Linux Lingam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ogg rocks! been waiting and watching since quite a few years, but alas, i don't know of a single personal or stereo or other oggplayer hardware available in india. surprisingly though, the new breed of dvd-players support divx and that's very cool. but no ogg. anybody knows any ogg player here? niyam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ -- (^_^) ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] The Perfect Replacement For MP3 (Stanley Thomas' blog)
anybody knows any ogg player here? niyam Hi, I wonder whether this would qualify as a hardware player -- www.geexbox.org Depends on where you run it, i guess! Shiv - Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] The Perfect Replacement For MP3 (Stanley Thomas' blog)
Linux Lingam [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: but alas, i don't know of a single personal or stereo or other oggplayer hardware available in india. I did some shopping in Nehru Place recently. Some of the creative muvos have vorbis. There are a couple of others. But yeah, most players don't support ogg. They support stuff like wma or aac, but ogg is a lower priority for some reason I haven't figure out. PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] The Perfect Replacement For MP3 (Stanley Thomas' blog)
On 6/25/07, Linux Lingam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: anybody knows any ogg player here? LG launched a competition against IPOD which was capable of playing ogg files, named mfjm53 (not very sure), google for it niyam ___ -- Linux User #348873 ILUGD Commitee Member, GZLUG , DGLUG Moderator B.Tech 4th Year Computer Science , RKGIT , Ghaziabad http://rockybhai.blogspot.com When i can run , i will run , When i can walk , i will walk, When i can crawl , i will crawl. But i will not stop moving forward ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
