[ilugd] further notes on being a victim of smtp server ban
sandip thanks for your help, regarding how to get myself un-blacklisted from spam lists, because all dynamic IP's of vsnl are reported to spamblock blacklists, effectively shutting me out from sending email. your suggestion (to use a smarthost) was as follows (this is applicable to exim users also) Check the sendmail mc page at http://www.sendmail.org/m4/ Use something like: define(`SMART_HOST', `smtp:fire.wall.com') in sendmail.mc before regenerating the sendmail.cf file but you see the only smtp server i know is the vsnl one. and it won't accept email unless the from header is vsnl.com or vsnl.net (see below). so this is forcing me to buy third party smtp service. (as you have said yourself below). so basically i am stuck. i could try and hunt for free smtp service on the net - but i fear it will be terribly slow (i am a dialup user as it is). i fully endorse your view below (and i hope linux-user group delhi and other chapters take this up with vsnl.) for details on DUL (dynamic user lists) referred below, and why they are a bad idea do lookup http://bucksch.com./1/opinion/dul/ or also see http://homepages.tesco.net/~J.deBoynePollard/FGA/maps-dul-is-wrong.html basically DUL's are nothing more than a harmful prejudice. sandip wrote -- begin quote I publically discourage everybody from using VSNL( now TATA-Indicom) ISP accounts. They have inherited the monopolistic attitude of the Raj days. On one hand they dont allow their own subscribers to relay mail which do not have a vsnl.com/vsnl.net domain in the From: address. On the other hand they have voluntarily submitted all their dialup IPs to DUL. *Both* of these constraints make them a very unusable ISP forcing people to do either direct-to-mx mailing(which is stringly discouraged) or to incur additional charge for buying 3rd party SMTP services. Boycott VSNL/Tata-Indicom end quote fully agree. ajit. (starved of smtp). ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] further notes on being a victim of smtp server ban
[chomp snip] sandip wrote -- begin quote I publically discourage everybody from using VSNL( now TATA-Indicom) ISP accounts. They have inherited the monopolistic attitude of the Raj days. On one hand they dont allow their own subscribers to relay mail which do not have a vsnl.com/vsnl.net domain in the From: address. On the other hand they have voluntarily submitted all their dialup IPs to DUL. *Both* of these constraints make them a very unusable ISP forcing people to do either direct-to-mx mailing(which is stringly discouraged) or to incur additional charge for buying 3rd party SMTP services. Boycott VSNL/Tata-Indicom end quote uh ho! fully agree. ajit. (starved of smtp). [snip] hey! hold on guys. i too suffer from the problems you mention. i use spectranet, and they handed in their IPs to a DUL too. the result is i face extremely aggressive spam-blocking [guilty until proven innocent] at several domains i email. sometimes it is frustrating. oh! and spectranet is trying very very hard to get a bad reputation for their lack of proper client service. even then, i like the overall idea of guilty until proven innocent. i am fed up of spam and junk emails, the net is unusable, especially emailing, for people, thanks to this menace. the real cause of this are clever people using free smtp access with no liabilities getting on a dialup, firing their smtp, and flooding the net. not everyone is doing this, but the few who are doing this, are a menace to the very very large majority of innocent people. so all have to suffer with this aggressive dul and spam-blocking. don't like it? think of a better solution. simple/ LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [OT] Re: [ilugd] further notes on being a victim of smtp server ban
On Thursday 29 Jul 2004 2:36 am, Linux Lingam wrote: guilty until proven innocent. i am fed up of spam and junk emails, the LL- we are not human rights advocates for spammers. all we are asking for is good reliable SMTP service to PAYING customers like me. why can't vsnl provide authenticated SMTP service to a paying customer like me? surely that can prevent spam to a large extent? they could even force change of passwds every fortnight if they like. i have taken up this issue with them several times, with their tech support making sympathetic noises, but nothing happens. what's relatively recent is the ban on non-vsnl FROM: headers and submission to DUL. On Thu, 29 Jul 2004, Sandip Bhattacharya wrote: I am all for DUL based blocking ... *if* the ISPs act responsibly, and provide proper SMTP service to their clients. The biggest problem with Indian ISPs is that they are all satisfied being part of a nation-wide dialup cyber-cafe, where if HTTP and Yahoo Messenger/MSN messenger works, then all is well. snip VSNL: doesnt let mails sent from non-vsnl email addresses out, submit dialups to DUL lists. Almost completely unusable, for those who dont know anything about non-webmail mail, or direct-to-mx. vsnl does not care for customers running linux boxes. most of the non linux user customers are happy with webmail, and probably never heard of direct-to-mx. since it looks like all the Indian ISP's are putting restrictions - this needs to be taken up in some other consumer forum - but where? ajit. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
