RE: [ilugd] Re: Re: Revolution OS: Movie about open source movement
> Long mail, I guess its time for me to shut up for some time. :-) why can't we all just get over it? is there any logical end to this discussion? come on guys, lock the thread. - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] Re: Re: Revolution OS: Movie about open source movement
On Monday 07 June 2004 10:50 am, D. Venkatasubramanian wrote: > > But no matter how good Linux is, there's always something that it can do > better. And that betterment cannot come by slamming Microsoft or SCO. I > remember a huge discussion on removing support for SCO on the GCC list, > maybe you should read the discussion. If I remember correctly, it was > decided not to remove support and had left the protesting to FSF. It's > the strength of GNU to embrace even hostile platforms that it goes > forward. > Your original mail said "And what do you define as Non-Linux and why can't Non-free softwares be discussed." The implication that other are working out is that you meant that we discuss non-linux/non-free software dedicatedly. Nobody here has any problem with relevant comparison with behaviors in other OSes. In other words, it is probably ok to ask questions like "this NIC is working flawlessly in windows, how do I make it work on Linux". But it is not proper to ask questions like "I cant boot in Windows. Can someone help me?". It is even ok to questions like "how do I get emacs on Windows to save my custom preferences." (free software). - Sandip -- Sandip Bhattacharya sandip (at) puroga.com Puroga Technologies Pvt. Ltd. Work: http://www.puroga.comHome: http://www.sandipb.net GPG: 51A4 6C57 4BC6 8C82 6A65 AE78 B1A1 2280 A129 0FF3 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
RE: [ilugd] Re: Re: Revolution OS: Movie about open source movement
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Raj Shekhar > Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 1:13 PM > To: The Linux-Delhi mailing list > Subject: Re: [ilugd] Re: Re: Revolution OS: Movie about open > source movement > > > D. Venkatasubramanian wrote: > > > > > BTW, if you say Linux is good, then how do you define > "Good", good is > > a qualitative term, and it has to be relative to something that is > > bad. So, how do you call something "Good" unless you don't > discuss the > > "Bad" constructively? Think about it ... > -- snip > > Customizing this definition for our needs of defining "good" > software, > the characteristics of good software are - > consistency, stability, economy in user interface, fail in a graceful > manner, not waste CPU cycles. I am sure you will be able to add more. > > So yes, we can discuss "good" without discussing the "bad". > My thinking will never be confined to believing that what "I" do is the best and all others things are bad.In many a discussions, on the main GCC list, I have seen numerous people say that MSVC or ICC does this or this better than GCC and more often than not, people on the list constructively try to understand what is it that MSVC does better. They don't just start slamming Microsoft. That is the strength of GNU and open source, being able to inculcate what is good in other platforms. BTW, there are people from SCO too, some of them highly respected in the GCC community. I love Linux, I have worked on it for 2 years and have contributed directly to it, on GCC / GDB, I was GDB Maintainer. But there are certain things which Windows does better, and Mac OS X does even better or Solaris. Though comparatively, Linux does a whole lot of things much better than any of these. It has been a privilege to work on all of these platforms for me and each has in some way taught me a lot. Windows, in terms of its consistency in its UI, Mac OS X in its absolutely, ravishing UI, Linux on its very good stability and Solaris, well it's a really high class server platform, absolutely the best. Linux is evolving and doing so beautifully, even now, it really can take on the best in the world. But no matter how good Linux is, there's always something that it can do better. And that betterment cannot come by slamming Microsoft or SCO. I remember a huge discussion on removing support for SCO on the GCC list, maybe you should read the discussion. If I remember correctly, it was decided not to remove support and had left the protesting to FSF. It's the strength of GNU to embrace even hostile platforms that it goes forward. ILUG-D is not a political organisation, our aims should be to promote Linux, not to be blindly slamming Windows, its not our job, read "How to Win ..." by Carnegie, and maybe you will understand that, if you want a user to embrace Linux, you have to make him want to do it. The more you slam Windows, the more he buys into it. Long mail, I guess its time for me to shut up for some time. :-) > Regards > -- > / \__ >(@\___ Raj Shekhar My best regards, Venky ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] Re: Re: Revolution OS: Movie about open source movement
D. Venkatasubramanian wrote: BTW, if you say Linux is good, then how do you define "Good", good is a qualitative term, and it has to be relative to something that is bad. So, how do you call something "Good" unless you don't discuss the "Bad" constructively? Think about it ... For me programming is not just a way to pay the bills. It is a significant a part of my life and I am a bit philosophical about it. Your email has touched a very "philosophical bone" in me and hence I am going to lecture about the "good" and the "bad" a bit. First, if you have not read the book "Zen and the art of Motorcycle Maintenance" By Robert M Pirsig, you should put your hands on it. It has the best definition of Quality that I have come across. Here is an excerpt from the book. --- Start quote --- A few days later he worked up a definition of his own and put it on the blackboard to be copied for posterity. The definition was: "Quality is a characteristic of thought and statement that is recognized by a nonthinking process. Because definitions are a product of rigid, formal thinking, quality cannot be defined." The fact that this "definition" was actually a refusal to define did not draw comment. [SNIP] But then, below the definition on the blackboard, he wrote, "But even though Quality cannot be defined, you know what Quality is!" and the storm started all over again. [SNIP] Their question now was "All right, we know what Quality is. How do we get it?" [SNIP] He singled out aspects of Quality such as unity, vividness, authority, economy, sensitivity, clarity, emphasis, flow, suspense, brilliance, precision, proportion, depth and so on; kept each of these as poorly defined as Quality itself, but demonstrated them by the same class reading techniques. He showed how the aspect of Quality called unity, the hanging-togetherness of a story, could be improved with a technique called an outline. The authority of an argument could be jacked up with a technique called footnotes, which gives authoritative reference. Outlines and footnotes are standard things taught in all freshman composition classes, but now as devices for improving Quality they had a purpose. And if a student turned in a bunch of dumb references or a sloppy outline that showed he was just fulfilling an assignment by rote, he could be told that while his paper may have fulfilled the letter of the assignment it obviously didn't fulfill the goal of Quality, and was therefore worthless. --- End quote --- Customizing this definition for our needs of defining "good" software, the characteristics of good software are - consistency, stability, economy in user interface, fail in a graceful manner, not waste CPU cycles. I am sure you will be able to add more. So yes, we can discuss "good" without discussing the "bad". Regards -- / \__ (@\___Raj Shekhar / O My home : http://geocities.com/lunatech3007/ / (_/My blog : http://lunatech.journalspace.com/ /_/ U ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
RE: [ilugd] Re: Re: Revolution OS: Movie about open source movement
Hi --- "D. Venkatasubramanian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And what do you define as Non-Linux and why can't > Non-free softwares be > discussed. --- 'You want [X], you know where to find it.' --Shehjar __ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] Re: Re: Revolution OS: Movie about open source movement
On Friday 04 June 2004 16:14, Tarun Dua wrote: > Gautam R. Singh wrote: > > The movie is in a public domain > > http://www.revolution-os.com/ > > REVOLUTION OS is available in the 35 mm motion picture format and runs 85 > minutes. > ©Copyright 2003 Wonderview Productions, LLC All Rights Reserved > > Doesn't look like public domain to me. > Hi all Yes Revolution OS is not a public domain movie it is a cpoy righted movie. Anirban Biswas ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] Re: Re: Revolution OS: Movie about open source movement
On Friday 04 June 2004 6:58 pm, D. Venkatasubramanian wrote: > > And what do you define as Non-Linux and why can't Non-free softwares be > discussed. > > Then that also excludes Solaris / Mac OS X / BSD / FreeBSD. > Yes. Regardless of the merits of these ... this is a *linux* list. We dont discuss anything else because each of the above already have their respective lists. - Sandip -- Sandip Bhattacharya sandip (at) puroga.com Puroga Technologies Pvt. Ltd. Work: http://www.puroga.comHome: http://www.sandipb.net GPG: 51A4 6C57 4BC6 8C82 6A65 AE78 B1A1 2280 A129 0FF3 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
RE: [ilugd] Re: Re: Revolution OS: Movie about open source movement
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Tarun Dua > Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 4:14 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [ilugd] Re: Re: Revolution OS: Movie about open > source movement --- snip > THIS IS NOT THE RIGHT LIST FOR NON-LINUX/NON-FREE SOFTWARE > RELATED DISCUSSIONS And what do you define as Non-Linux and why can't Non-free softwares be discussed. Then that also excludes Solaris / Mac OS X / BSD / FreeBSD. Don't you want to get paid when you write a software? Not everyone is a software administrator. There are guys who have to write code for a living. And if that software does not have much of a service that can be provided, then it has to be sold as a product commercially. And I am not against Microsoft because their software is not good, I am against certain policies of theirs, like sending my information without my knowledge etc., but just because they sell their software doesn't make them evil. And probably you don't know why there are so many developers working on Linux Kernel / GCC / GDB etc. Most of them are paid, not because their companies are commited to Open source, but because they have very little choice, though no company admits it. BTW, if you say Linux is good, then how do you define "Good", good is a qualitative term, and it has to be relative to something that is bad. So, how do you call something "Good" unless you don't discuss the "Bad" constructively? Think about it ... > -Tarun Dua Venky ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Solaris 9 (non) redistribution terms (was) Re: [ilugd] Re: Re: Revolution OS: Movie about open source movement
On Friday 04 June 2004 3:48 pm, Gautam R. Singh wrote: > The movie is in a public domain > > i duno but solaris 9 is free to download > http://wwws.sun.com/software/solaris/binaries/faq.html#1q3 Q. Can I make copies of the Solaris runtime binaries and share them with others? Can I pass my copy of the Solaris software on to someone else? A. No in both cases. Under the terms of the program, all licensees must receive the software directly from Sun, and must register the number and type of systems on which the Solaris software is installed. So although you can use the Solaris software anywhere inside your organization, you cannot make copies to give to anyone else. [...] - Sandip -- Sandip Bhattacharya sandip (at) puroga.com Puroga Technologies Pvt. Ltd. Work: http://www.puroga.comHome: http://www.sandipb.net GPG: 51A4 6C57 4BC6 8C82 6A65 AE78 B1A1 2280 A129 0FF3 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
