Re: Large iMac Purchase

2008-09-22 Thread BHealthyAgain
I remember reading a long time ago, about a school that was in NC I  believe, 
that had the same predicament as yours. They looked at the total cost  of 
ownership over the long term, not just short term. They discovered that the  
TCO 
or total cost of ownership was far less using Macs than it was with Windows  
based machines. You can go through several OS upgrades before having to 
actually  replace a Mac. Also, if you go to _www.XvsXP.com_ 
(http://www.XvsXP.com)  
you will find a comparison between  OS X.4 and XP as well as being directed to 
their new web site of _http://www.macvswindows.com_ 
(http://www.macvswindows.com)  which  you will also find interesting as well.
 
A senior lead programmer from Microsoft said a few years ago, the best  
computer for running Windows XP is an Intel based Mac. Recently it has been  
found 
the best laptop for running Vista is a Macbook Pro. There are less  hardware 
issues when you plug something in and you have multiple external  booting 
options with a new Mac, as you can boot from an external firewire or an  
external 
USB drive without any problems at all. With a Mac, you can read and  write to 
an external Windows drive as I do it all the time. For the most part,  
upgrading the hardware on a newer Mac requires just about the same hardware  
that you 
would find in a Windows based machine. 
 
All Macs are PC's but not all PC's are Macs. A PC aka a personal computer  is 
a box of hardware that runs an operating system that then runs programs.  
There are some programs you can only find for Mac, such as Final Cut Pro.  
Microsoft usually has a version of their Windows based programs for Mac so they 
 
can't say they can't use Microsoft programs.
 
Just my two cents worth. Also, you don't have to worry about viruses with  
Macs like you do with Windows as the security vulnerabilities aren't there like 
 
they are with Windows. The Mac OS X was built from the ground up and is  
certified as a Unix version and has been around a lot longer than Microsoft has 
 
been around. It also sounds like your IT guy needs to be drinking Zavita which  
will help get rid of his brain fog.
 
In a message dated 9/22/2008 11:06:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I was just reading the iMac Purchase thread and though the  membership would 
like to hear this.
 
I am a Teacher and have been doing IT work at our School  for many years.I 
started with an LC 475 and have owned and operated just  about everything 
Mac-Made since then.
Five years ago our School Board amalgamated with another  large School Board 
and subsequently came up with something called the  T.M.P. or Tech Master Plan 
whereas every school will receive new  equipment every five years. We have 
just finished our 1st five years and  so will be replacing about 100 computers 
plus  peripherals.
 There is a specific formula which we must adhere to  that states what we can 
buy.The last five years were spent with mostly  IBM Think Centers and 
Thinkpads although we had some  iBooks and eMacs as well.
 This time around I am going to push iMacs.Due to the  Capacitor problems 
with some of the emacs I talked them into an  advance on the TMP and we have 
been using our new iMacs since last  June (17 total).These are in the Art Dept. 
and Media.  Studies.
 I have developed a fairly convincing argument for an  all iMac purchase i.e. 
iMacs are cutting edge MultiMedia and kids just  LOVE them.If they REALLY 
have to have Windows then fine we can  accommodate that for minimal cost (boot 
camp or aftermarket).Lastly it  is VERY well known that Macs are considerably 
less expensive to  operate.
  I like to get right to the point.If anyone has  further comments or 
contributions FIRE AWAY.
P.S. We are on a School LAN connected to a Board WAN. The  majority of the 
administrators are not particularly clued-in but the  main IT Manager is a Pc  
guy.








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Re: Large iMac Purchase

2008-09-22 Thread BHealthyAgain
I guess another way of putting it would be to ask them if they would like a  
free computer as in buy one get one free. Buy a Mac and you can dual boot to  
Windows and you would spend less on a copy of Windows than you would if you 
had  to buy a second machine to just run Windows. So I guess if you look at the 
cost  of the Mac, add the copy of Windows and divide in half, that would give 
you the  real cost of the Mac, and it's also very unlikely that you can get a 
Windows  machine for that price either.  Just MHO there. 
 
 
In a message dated 9/22/2008 12:19:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
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On Sep 22, 2008, at 8:06 AM, Mark W. wrote:

 If they  REALLY have to have Windows then fine we can accommodate  
 that  for minimal cost (boot camp or aftermarket).Lastly it is VERY  
  well known that Macs are considerably less expensive to operate.

This  is why the Mac is making serious inroads in the higher ed   
market...you buy one machine, and can have multiple OS'es on it.

--  
Bruce Johnson
University of Arizona
College of  Pharmacy
Information Technology Group

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Re: iMac purchase justifications

2008-09-22 Thread Clark Martin

Kyle Parish wrote:
 Not to correct anyone or offend any Mac users, Myself being one. I
 would say that Mac has disassociated it's self in the past, with the
 PC world by making their hard-ware proprietary to their computers.
 like the keyboard and mouse for example, which is how other computers
 call themselves P.C..  I agree that a Mac is a P.C. but referring to a
 computer that is in a small box, that fits on your desk as a P.C. is
 much easier than referring to the specific computer model and it's
 self.  The Linux and Unix computers that fit in a small box are
 considered PC's.  It goes back to the time we used to call all other
 computers IBM compatible.

Apple introduced the Mac 128K in 1984 with a mouse and keyboard, what 
industry standard mouse and keyboard would they have used then.  There 
was IBM's keyboard but it was proprietary.  Apple changed to the ADB in 
1987, still no industry standard to use.  IBM introduced the PS/2 
keyboard and mouse at the time.  It was still proprietary to IBM, not an 
industry standard certainly.  If you think otherwise you never had to 
deal with IBM changing the protocol at their whim as I did.  In 1998 
Apple started using USB keyboards and mice which are industry standard. 
  For along time after that Win/Tel machines may have had USB but most 
still had PS/2 ports and used PS/2 mice and keyboards.


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Redwood City, CA, USA
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