Help!

2009-12-10 Thread Cyrus Griffin
Well, my iMac (2.0GHz Core 2 Duo, 3Gb ram, 10.6) crashed last night,  
and when I went to boot it this morning, it starts to boot, gets to  
the grey Apple, then displays the NOT sign. I know this is a system  
problem, but nothing I've done has helped. Disk utility (Repair  
permissions, repair disk) and DiskWarrior made no difference.

So my question now is, what will the Snow Leopard installer do?? If I  
was running 10.4 or 10.5, I'd just do an archive and install, with  
preserve user settings. But the 10.6 installer doesn't have those  
options... I really don't want to wipe all my info, is there some way  
to know what kind of install it's going to perform? It sure looks like  
it's going to install the system fresh... (I do have a Time capsule  
backup drive, so my info is safe... I hope...)
Thanks everyone.



-Elliott

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Re: Help!

2009-12-10 Thread Bruce Johnson

On Dec 10, 2009, at 1:39 PM, Cyrus Griffin wrote:

 So my question now is, what will the Snow Leopard installer do?? If I
 was running 10.4 or 10.5, I'd just do an archive and install, with
 preserve user settings. But the 10.6 installer doesn't have those
 options... I really don't want to wipe all my info, is there some way
 to know what kind of install it's going to perform?

The default install is now an AR. Apple has gotten rid of the  
'Upgrade' option, and is more selective about things it saves it the  
'Previous Systems' folder, and IIRC, (I don't have an upgraded system  
handy to check) calls it something else now.

However I've done the install on several systems now and users here  
have done quite a few more and no one's had any issues with lost data  
or anything.

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Re: Running a Tiger Beta on my G3?

2009-12-10 Thread Dan
At 11:49 AM -0600 12/10/2009, Christian Wacker wrote:
I have access to 4 copies of the 10.4.x betas (2 10.4 ones and 2
10.4.3, i'm assuming one build is intel, one is PPC)
Is it a good idea to run these on my iMac?
I am also wondering if these would run, seeing as my iMac is the
baseline G3 (350mhz)
Any suggestions\ideas (and a tip on how to identify which is Intel and
which is PPC, so that I don't spend 2.5gb of bandwith on the wrong
one.)

Don't pirate OS X.

Buy a real kit.

There are often some on LEM Swap.

Tiger will run fine on that iMac, btw.

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Re: Running a Tiger Beta on my G3?

2009-12-10 Thread Christian Wacker
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Elliott Price callmemrp...@gmail.com wrote:
 What's the point of running a beta when the real version is released?
It's neat to see how software progresses. I have 120gb of Windows
betas and applications of the sort, and I find it interesting to see
an OS evolve from one stage to the next

 It probably won't be that different, and probably a lot more glitchy.
It probably can't be much worse than it already is =P

 Yeah, it'll run pretty well, considering. It also depends on how much
 RAM you have, the more the better. (10.4 will run on 92Mb, but NOT
 well at all... 128 is the minimum for decent performance.)

So 512 will work well?
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Re: Running a Tiger Beta on my G3?

2009-12-10 Thread Elliott Price
I agree, but I wouldn't think it would be that different. Like the OSX  
beta had the apple in the middle of the bar... That would be cool to  
run. But 10.4 betas can't be much different from the released version,  
there isn't even that much of a difference between 10.3 and 10.4.

10.4 is actually very stable; even on older and unsupported Macs. I  
rarely had/have any issues with it. Especially 10.4.11.

512 should work very well.


-Elliott Price
Mac Computer Repair - Santa Barbara
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On Dec 10, 2009, at 4:39 PM, Christian Wacker wrote:

 On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Elliott Price  
 callmemrp...@gmail.com wrote:
 What's the point of running a beta when the real version is released?
 It's neat to see how software progresses. I have 120gb of Windows
 betas and applications of the sort, and I find it interesting to see
 an OS evolve from one stage to the next

 It probably won't be that different, and probably a lot more glitchy.
 It probably can't be much worse than it already is =P

 Yeah, it'll run pretty well, considering. It also depends on how much
 RAM you have, the more the better. (10.4 will run on 92Mb, but NOT
 well at all... 128 is the minimum for decent performance.)

 So 512 will work well?
 -Christian

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Re: Running a Tiger Beta on my G3?

2009-12-10 Thread Christian Wacker
I can see a simple solution to getting past the decomissioning (My
iMac has a bad CMOS battery, so it won't see the time) as long as it
isn't connected to the internet, it should load up properly. i'll
check with my 'supplier who gave me the public beta along with 4
developer previews, to see if he's ever gotten them running. I might
be able to get it booting properly on my tray loader, and run from
there. (i'll let you know what I find out about them.)

On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 7:45 PM, Elliott Price callmemrp...@gmail.com wrote:
 I have no idea. The earliest OSX I've ever run is just 10.0. and 10.1.
 In my understanding, the beta was decommissioned, so it wouldn't
 work anymore... Maybe that's just the public beta.
 And yes, I'm pretty sure you need to update the firmware to run OSX.
 And, it's just a good idea in general to have everything up-to date.


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 On Dec 10, 2009, at 5:40 PM, Christian Wacker wrote:

 On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 7:37 PM, Elliott Price
 callmemrp...@gmail.com wrote:
 I would try it on the spare one, because you might encounter
 problems,
 and 10.0 isn't really usable for anything nowadays.
 Anything special I would have to do to make the 10.0 betas boot on a
 G3 tray loader (that you know of)?
 Do I need a firmware update for it?

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Re: Running a Tiger Beta on my G3?

2009-12-10 Thread Bill Chapman
I found there's a big difference between Panther and Tiger... or do you 
mean in the beta versions of each.
Aside from that why not get Tiger full version off ebay... why screw 
around with betas; or maybe that's the point here?


Elliott Price wrote:
 I agree, but I wouldn't think it would be that different. Like the OSX  
 beta had the apple in the middle of the bar... That would be cool to  
 run. But 10.4 betas can't be much different from the released version,  
 there isn't even that much of a difference between 10.3 and 10.4.

 10.4 is actually very stable; even on older and unsupported Macs. I  
 rarely had/have any issues with it. Especially 10.4.11.

 512 should work very well.


   -Elliott Price
 Mac Computer Repair - Santa Barbara
 Graphic Design - Artwork Setup
 Websites - Low Cost Custom Websites

 On Dec 10, 2009, at 4:39 PM, Christian Wacker wrote:

   
 On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Elliott Price  
 callmemrp...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 What's the point of running a beta when the real version is released?
   
 It's neat to see how software progresses. I have 120gb of Windows
 betas and applications of the sort, and I find it interesting to see
 an OS evolve from one stage to the next

 
 It probably won't be that different, and probably a lot more glitchy.
   
 It probably can't be much worse than it already is =P

 
 Yeah, it'll run pretty well, considering. It also depends on how much
 RAM you have, the more the better. (10.4 will run on 92Mb, but NOT
 well at all... 128 is the minimum for decent performance.)

   
 So 512 will work well?
 -Christian

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Re: Running a Tiger Beta on my G3?

2009-12-10 Thread Christian Wacker
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 9:15 PM, Bill Chapman pagew...@interlog.com wrote:
 I found there's a big difference between Panther and Tiger... or do you
 mean in the beta versions of each.
 Aside from that why not get Tiger full version off ebay... why screw
 around with betas; or maybe that's the point here?
The point is to mess with the beta releases.
I am curious to see it evolve.

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