Re: Dead HDD?
Practically nothing is interchangeable between an early tray-loader and a slot-loader, except the hard drive. But you’ll find that out. :^) Jim > On Dec 24, 2015, at 8:03 PM, Thomas Fritsch wrote: > > Aaaactually. i Do. pulled a board from a bustedscreen G3-233, (blue first gen > slot loading) the one thatwe're discusing here is a "Snow White G3-600" > > On Thu, Dec 24, 2015 at 10:32 PM, Google wrote: > So try installing OS X from a cold start with the ethernet cable > disconnected. If it loads without a problem, then you’ve got a bad ethernet > port or a crossed circuit or somesuch in your logic board. > > If that were my iMac, I’d take it apart to see if there’s anything in there > that could be bridging a circuit. Metallic glitter can cause havoc, for > example. Or a staple or something. Don’t forget to use a new thermal pad or > thermal paste when you put the logic board back onto the divider board. > > I’ve found all sorts of cruft, garbage and the like inside G3 iMacs that have > been exposed to elementary and middle school kids. eMacs too. All those > holes, slots and ports are an invitation to inquiring minds. The > convection-cooled design, with all those ventilation holes on the top case, > is worse than the early fan-cooled G3 iMacs. The perforated divider board, to > which the analog board and logic board are affixed, will let anything that > gets in make its way to the backside of the logic board where it can’t be > seen without disassembly. A friend with a machine shop once lost his G3 iMac > when one metal shaving too many made it through the top. He said it was a > very brief but short fireworks show inside the case of his Snow model, which > became a Coal model. > > If you had two G3 iMacs, of course, it would be a simple matter to swap out > parts to isolate the bad one(s) from the known-good one(s). But since you > don’t, you’ve probably found the culprit. Strange things can happen to > electronic devices that continue to be used for years and years past their > prime. > > Jim Scott > > > > On Dec 24, 2015, at 5:49 PM, Thomas Fritsch wrote: > > > > oddly yea but i think i narrowed it to something i tried this morning to > > start it w/o the network cableleft idle for 2hrs came back.. no freeze, > > connect it , it locks up within seconds tried again 3 times start up w/o > > power wait a few connect to encounter freezing, > > > > On Thu, Dec 24, 2015 at 8:00 PM, Bruce Johnson > > wrote: > > If the RAM and HDD’s were bad, I doubt you would get as far as you get; > > after all, the Finder is running at that point if nothing else. > > > > Have you tried logging in as a different user? If the problem is something > > in your user profile, you can re-install OSX from now until the heat death > > of the universe and it won’t fix a thing. > > > > > On Dec 24, 2015, at 1:51 AM, Thomas Fritsch wrote: > > > > > > i managed to find a spare hdd now unless i got THAT unlucky that its bad > > > too, i'm right back at the orginal issue (apps bounce but no open/freeze > > > up) i tested the ram but im Still thinking thier faulty and i dont have > > > any pcs to run a ramtest on. > > > > > > unless hdd + ram's bad i'm curious just how far i knackered my old iMac > > > ;-; > > > > -- > > Bruce Johnson > > University of Arizona > > College of Pharmacy > > Information Technology Group > > > > Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs > > > > -- > > -- > -- > You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group > for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette > guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com > To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "iMac Group" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- > -- > You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group > for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette > guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com > To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "iMac Group" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For mo
Re: Dead HDD?
Aaaactually. i Do. pulled a board from a bustedscreen G3-233, (blue first gen slot loading) the one thatwe're discusing here is a "Snow White G3-600" On Thu, Dec 24, 2015 at 10:32 PM, Google wrote: > So try installing OS X from a cold start with the ethernet cable > disconnected. If it loads without a problem, then you’ve got a bad ethernet > port or a crossed circuit or somesuch in your logic board. > > If that were my iMac, I’d take it apart to see if there’s anything in > there that could be bridging a circuit. Metallic glitter can cause havoc, > for example. Or a staple or something. Don’t forget to use a new thermal > pad or thermal paste when you put the logic board back onto the divider > board. > > I’ve found all sorts of cruft, garbage and the like inside G3 iMacs that > have been exposed to elementary and middle school kids. eMacs too. All > those holes, slots and ports are an invitation to inquiring minds. The > convection-cooled design, with all those ventilation holes on the top case, > is worse than the early fan-cooled G3 iMacs. The perforated divider board, > to which the analog board and logic board are affixed, will let anything > that gets in make its way to the backside of the logic board where it > can’t be seen without disassembly. A friend with a machine shop once lost > his G3 iMac when one metal shaving too many made it through the top. He > said it was a very brief but short fireworks show inside the case of his > Snow model, which became a Coal model. > > If you had two G3 iMacs, of course, it would be a simple matter to swap > out parts to isolate the bad one(s) from the known-good one(s). But since > you don’t, you’ve probably found the culprit. Strange things can happen to > electronic devices that continue to be used for years and years past their > prime. > > Jim Scott > > > > On Dec 24, 2015, at 5:49 PM, Thomas Fritsch > wrote: > > > > oddly yea but i think i narrowed it to something i tried this morning to > start it w/o the network cableleft idle for 2hrs came back.. no freeze, > connect it , it locks up within seconds tried again 3 times start up w/o > power wait a few connect to encounter freezing, > > > > On Thu, Dec 24, 2015 at 8:00 PM, Bruce Johnson < > john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu> wrote: > > If the RAM and HDD’s were bad, I doubt you would get as far as you get; > after all, the Finder is running at that point if nothing else. > > > > Have you tried logging in as a different user? If the problem is > something in your user profile, you can re-install OSX from now until the > heat death of the universe and it won’t fix a thing. > > > > > On Dec 24, 2015, at 1:51 AM, Thomas Fritsch > wrote: > > > > > > i managed to find a spare hdd now unless i got THAT unlucky that its > bad too, i'm right back at the orginal issue (apps bounce but no > open/freeze up) i tested the ram but im Still thinking thier faulty and i > dont have any pcs to run a ramtest on. > > > > > > unless hdd + ram's bad i'm curious just how far i knackered my old > iMac ;-; > > > > -- > > Bruce Johnson > > University of Arizona > > College of Pharmacy > > Information Technology Group > > > > Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs > > > > -- > > -- > -- > You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a > group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com > To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "iMac Group" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "iMac Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Dead HDD?
So try installing OS X from a cold start with the ethernet cable disconnected. If it loads without a problem, then you’ve got a bad ethernet port or a crossed circuit or somesuch in your logic board. If that were my iMac, I’d take it apart to see if there’s anything in there that could be bridging a circuit. Metallic glitter can cause havoc, for example. Or a staple or something. Don’t forget to use a new thermal pad or thermal paste when you put the logic board back onto the divider board. I’ve found all sorts of cruft, garbage and the like inside G3 iMacs that have been exposed to elementary and middle school kids. eMacs too. All those holes, slots and ports are an invitation to inquiring minds. The convection-cooled design, with all those ventilation holes on the top case, is worse than the early fan-cooled G3 iMacs. The perforated divider board, to which the analog board and logic board are affixed, will let anything that gets in make its way to the backside of the logic board where it can’t be seen without disassembly. A friend with a machine shop once lost his G3 iMac when one metal shaving too many made it through the top. He said it was a very brief but short fireworks show inside the case of his Snow model, which became a Coal model. If you had two G3 iMacs, of course, it would be a simple matter to swap out parts to isolate the bad one(s) from the known-good one(s). But since you don’t, you’ve probably found the culprit. Strange things can happen to electronic devices that continue to be used for years and years past their prime. Jim Scott > On Dec 24, 2015, at 5:49 PM, Thomas Fritsch wrote: > > oddly yea but i think i narrowed it to something i tried this morning to > start it w/o the network cableleft idle for 2hrs came back.. no freeze, > connect it , it locks up within seconds tried again 3 times start up w/o > power wait a few connect to encounter freezing, > > On Thu, Dec 24, 2015 at 8:00 PM, Bruce Johnson > wrote: > If the RAM and HDD’s were bad, I doubt you would get as far as you get; after > all, the Finder is running at that point if nothing else. > > Have you tried logging in as a different user? If the problem is something in > your user profile, you can re-install OSX from now until the heat death of > the universe and it won’t fix a thing. > > > On Dec 24, 2015, at 1:51 AM, Thomas Fritsch wrote: > > > > i managed to find a spare hdd now unless i got THAT unlucky that its bad > > too, i'm right back at the orginal issue (apps bounce but no open/freeze > > up) i tested the ram but im Still thinking thier faulty and i dont have > > any pcs to run a ramtest on. > > > > unless hdd + ram's bad i'm curious just how far i knackered my old iMac ;-; > > -- > Bruce Johnson > University of Arizona > College of Pharmacy > Information Technology Group > > Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs > > -- -- -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "iMac Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Dead HDD?
oddly yea but i think i narrowed it to something i tried this morning to start it w/o the network cableleft idle for 2hrs came back.. no freeze, connect it , it locks up within seconds tried again 3 times start up w/o power wait a few connect to encounter freezing, On Thu, Dec 24, 2015 at 8:00 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: > If the RAM and HDD’s were bad, I doubt you would get as far as you get; > after all, the Finder is running at that point if nothing else. > > Have you tried logging in as a different user? If the problem is something > in your user profile, you can re-install OSX from now until the heat death > of the universe and it won’t fix a thing. > > > On Dec 24, 2015, at 1:51 AM, Thomas Fritsch > wrote: > > > > i managed to find a spare hdd now unless i got THAT unlucky that its bad > too, i'm right back at the orginal issue (apps bounce but no open/freeze > up) i tested the ram but im Still thinking thier faulty and i dont have > any pcs to run a ramtest on. > > > > unless hdd + ram's bad i'm curious just how far i knackered my old iMac > ;-; > > -- > Bruce Johnson > University of Arizona > College of Pharmacy > Information Technology Group > > Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs > > -- > -- > You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a > group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com > To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "iMac Group" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "iMac Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Dead HDD?
If the RAM and HDD’s were bad, I doubt you would get as far as you get; after all, the Finder is running at that point if nothing else. Have you tried logging in as a different user? If the problem is something in your user profile, you can re-install OSX from now until the heat death of the universe and it won’t fix a thing. > On Dec 24, 2015, at 1:51 AM, Thomas Fritsch wrote: > > i managed to find a spare hdd now unless i got THAT unlucky that its bad too, > i'm right back at the orginal issue (apps bounce but no open/freeze up) i > tested the ram but im Still thinking thier faulty and i dont have any pcs to > run a ramtest on. > > unless hdd + ram's bad i'm curious just how far i knackered my old iMac ;-; -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "iMac Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Dead HDD?
i managed to find a spare hdd now unless i got THAT unlucky that its bad too, i'm right back at the orginal issue (apps bounce but no open/freeze up) i tested the ram but im Still thinking thier faulty and i dont have any pcs to run a ramtest on. unless hdd + ram's bad i'm curious just how far i knackered my old iMac ;-; On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 12:26 AM, Thomas Fritsch wrote: > update: redid the partitions. OS9 went fine but OSX fails every time on > "Installing Base System Part 1" so im pretty much sure now the drives > toast. > > On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 10:45 PM, Thomas Fritsch > wrote: > >> i cant afford a Disc copy of DW, and yea it froze again for the 3rd time >> on the Catalouge File in the OSX Installer's Disk Utility. i'm not super >> bummed as the partitions are fresh so not much data outside the CallUp >> script i was using to make the dialup connection work. was on either >> partition. >> >> On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 10:15 PM, Google wrote: >> >>> >>> > On Dec 22, 2015, at 7:04 PM, Ryan Waldon >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > On 22.December 2015 at 21:11:44 , Xion Dracari (xiondrac...@gmail.com) >>> wrote: >>> >> Most likely but i wanted to get a opnion, >>> >> >>> >> yesterday i had to rush to shut it off as we had storm here and i >>> didnt have it on surge protector, i had to flat out pull the cable (a few >>> moments later luckily i did as power went out and the Breaker tripped in >>> teh main room) i turned it on today as i was using primarly my old iMac G3 >>> (Snow White 600mhz) to act as a Dialup Gateway for taking my dreamcast >>> online. (i dont have home phone services) to get online in Phantasy Star >>> online to notice it was taking Longer to boot. and Programs would Bounce >>> but not open. i thoght "I corrupted something with that sudden power off." >>> so i Plop in my CD1 of the 4disc OSX Set let installer window come up but >>> open Utilites -> Disk Utility to verify the Drive >>> >> >>> >> now thsi part's strange! Verifying's fine. but when i run Repair >>> instead of Verify it hangs then powers down the HDD on the "Checking >>> catalog File" >>> >> >>> >> booting from its small 4GB OS9 Partition its just fine and dandy. but >>> OSX seems Hosed. >>> >> >>> >> did the drive die? (No clicking) or do i Just need to redo the OSX >>> Installation? >>> > >>> > >>> > I would think that if the drive was completely dead, then it wouldn’t >>> boot at all, from any partition. I would try to redo the OSX installation. >>> > >>> > --ryan >>> >>> Since OS X was the boot partition, it’s very likely that the improper >>> shutdown did some damage to the disk directory or to volume information, or >>> both. Try repairing the OS X partition with Disk Utility while booted to >>> the OS X installation disk. If that doesn’t work or you get a message to >>> try something more powerful, and you’ve got DiskWarrior, run that. If all >>> else fails, then erase the partition and reinstall OS X. >>> >>> I’ve spent many an hour in ye olden dayes running DiskWarrior on Mac lab >>> G3 iMacs that wouldn’t start or freeze while booting. Why did they do that? >>> The teachers told students to shut down their iMacs by PULLING THE POWER >>> CORD OUT OF ITS SOCKET. Yep, true story. So I ran DiskWarrior and it fixed >>> volume information errors (start/stop blocks, etc.), and sorted out other >>> directory errors. Magically, the dual-boot OS X/ OS 9 iMacs began to boot >>> properly again. I tried educating the ignorant teachers, but met with >>> limited success. >>> >>> Jim Scott >>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a >>> group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. >>> The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our >>> netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml >>> To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com >>> To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist >>> >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "iMac Group" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> > -- -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "iMac Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receivin
