Re: [infinispan-dev] Baselining on Java 7
* ForkJoinPool (assuming we can get AS to inject one) * AutoCloseable * Throwable.addSuppressed() On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 2:01 AM, Mircea Markus mmar...@redhat.com wrote: Sent from my iPhone On 23 May 2013, at 12:06, Bela Ban b...@redhat.com wrote: On 5/23/13 12:38 PM, Manik Surtani wrote: Yup, it needs to happen sometime. But the question is, when? Is there anyone out there who desperately needs Infinispan to work on Java 6? I got a lot of pushback when I moved the required JDK in JGroups to 1.5 (people were still using 1.4), and the same for moving from 1.5 to 1.6, so I anticipate this won't be different for moving to 1.7 as baseline. I personally would not mind waiting for JGroups 5 to move to JDK 7, as this gives users a bit more time and I won't require JDK 7 before JGroups 5 anyway, as the NIO2 stuff won't be in JGroups 4, only in 5. +1 to stick to 6 at leat till jgroups 5. Besides NIO2 stuff, is there anything from 7 we want badly? But if you guys need to move to JDK 7 in Infinispan 6 already, then that's fine with me, too. I guess the AS has some requirements, too, so if they decide to move to JDK 7, then we'll have to make that move too -- Bela Ban, JGroups lead (http://www.jgroups.org) ___ infinispan-dev mailing list infinispan-dev@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/infinispan-dev ___ infinispan-dev mailing list infinispan-dev@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/infinispan-dev ___ infinispan-dev mailing list infinispan-dev@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/infinispan-dev
Re: [infinispan-dev] Baselining on Java 7
Support? On 24 May 2013, at 00:01, Mircea Markus wrote: Besides NIO2 stuff, is there anything from 7 we want badly? --- Mark Little mlit...@redhat.com JBoss, by Red Hat Registered Address: Red Hat UK Ltd, Amberley Place, 107-111 Peascod Street, Windsor, Berkshire, SI4 1TE, United Kingdom. Registered in UK and Wales under Company Registration No. 3798903 Directors: Michael Cunningham (USA), Charlie Peters (USA), Matt Parsons (USA) and Brendan Lane (Ireland). ___ infinispan-dev mailing list infinispan-dev@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/infinispan-dev
Re: [infinispan-dev] Baselining on Java 7
On 24 May 2013 15:46, Mark Little mlit...@redhat.com wrote: Support? Don't we support Java6 ? And people will be very welcome to run on Java7 if they want to, but we are discussing what the minimum requirement should be. Sanne On 24 May 2013, at 00:01, Mircea Markus wrote: Besides NIO2 stuff, is there anything from 7 we want badly? --- Mark Little mlit...@redhat.com JBoss, by Red Hat Registered Address: Red Hat UK Ltd, Amberley Place, 107-111 Peascod Street, Windsor, Berkshire, SI4 1TE, United Kingdom. Registered in UK and Wales under Company Registration No. 3798903 Directors: Michael Cunningham (USA), Charlie Peters (USA), Matt Parsons (USA) and Brendan Lane (Ireland). ___ infinispan-dev mailing list infinispan-dev@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/infinispan-dev ___ infinispan-dev mailing list infinispan-dev@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/infinispan-dev
Re: [infinispan-dev] Baselining on Java 7
/ Besides NIO2 stuff, is there anything from 7 we want badly? / Yes. In its version 7 release, Java introduces a Socket Direct Protocol capability. For the first time ever, a Java API can accommodate a direct bridge to ultra-low-latency physical network providers like Infiniband (including access to native Infiniband VERBs). I know this is probably a very limited use case for you guys for right now, but, Java 7's SDP capability is a game changer. Bela and I have exchanged musings about this potential to some-time being exposed through the Infinispan/JGroups API stack( https://community.jboss.org/message/810754#810754 ). It is something you guys will definitely want to show case some day (btw, what is a more natural name marriage than Infinispan on Infiniband ?) and with Java 7 SDP capability you can start building that bridge now. -- View this message in context: http://infinispan-developer-list.980875.n3.nabble.com/infinispan-dev-Baselining-on-Java-7-tp4027201p4027225.html Sent from the Infinispan Developer List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ infinispan-dev mailing list infinispan-dev@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/infinispan-dev
Re: [infinispan-dev] Baselining on Java 7
On 5/24/13 6:07 PM, cotton-ben wrote: / Besides NIO2 stuff, is there anything from 7 we want badly? / Yes. In its version 7 release, Java introduces a Socket Direct Protocol capability. For the first time ever, a Java API can accommodate a direct bridge to ultra-low-latency physical network providers like Infiniband (including access to native Infiniband VERBs). Actually, this should work *without* changes to JGroups or Infinispan TODAY, if you use JDK 7. According to [1], all you'd have to do is to use a TCP based configuration, enable SDP sockets instead of TCP sockets through a system property and provide a config file listing the target addresses for which SDP sockets shoul be created. I see that Socket and ServerSocket are already supported, so NIO2 is not even needed (from an API viewpoint). I know this is probably a very limited use case for you guys for right now, but, Java 7's SDP capability is a game changer. Bela and I have exchanged musings about this potential to some-time being exposed through the Infinispan/JGroups API stack( https://community.jboss.org/message/810754#810754 ). It is something you guys will definitely want to show case some day (btw, what is a more natural name marriage than Infinispan on Infiniband ?) and with Java 7 SDP capability you can start building that bridge now. Unless I'm wrong above, it would be interesting to get some numbers on running Infinispan/JGroups over Infiniband using SDP sockets. Are you planning on doing this ? I'm currently looking at reshuffling and re-prioritizing the JGroups roadmap, but I don't think JDK 7 will be used in a 4.0 release, possibly only in a 5.0 release... I'll blog about this shortly. [1] http://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/sdp/sockets/enable.html -- Bela Ban, JGroups lead (http://www.jgroups.org) ___ infinispan-dev mailing list infinispan-dev@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/infinispan-dev
Re: [infinispan-dev] Baselining on Java 7
/all you'd have to do is [...]/ Thanks Bela. I'd love the you in the response above to be me, but the you has to be you. I.e. as much as I'd like to build the bridge to the capability myself, I am not going to be empowered to do this by my clients. We need a bridge provider. Might I pep-rally a cry of Infinispan on Infiniband today! to encourage you to be that bridge provider? :-) / I see that Socket and ServerSocket are already supported, so NIO2 is not even needed (from an API viewpoint). / Absolutely correct! You do not need NIO2. I can get everything from java.net.Socket. But I must have Java 7. / it would be interesting to get some numbers on running Infinispan/JGroups over Infiniband using SDP sockets. Are you planning on doing this ? / Of course, the numbers will be mind-blowing if you are used to only having physical provider=Ethernet. I'd love to build a Java based POC to exercise our use-case. However, I can't be the bridge provider to get from Java application code to Infiniband VERBs. I need JBoss (Infinispan/JGroups) to be that bridge provider. We'll patiently wait for when you guys explicitly support IPoIB in Infinispan/JGroups. And then, off we go. (But with Java 7, as we all know, this can be done today!) Thanks again, Bela. Let's keep these musings flowing. Ben -- View this message in context: http://infinispan-developer-list.980875.n3.nabble.com/infinispan-dev-Baselining-on-Java-7-tp4027201p4027227.html Sent from the Infinispan Developer List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ infinispan-dev mailing list infinispan-dev@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/infinispan-dev
Re: [infinispan-dev] Baselining on Java 7
On 5/23/13 12:38 PM, Manik Surtani wrote: Yup, it needs to happen sometime. But the question is, when? Is there anyone out there who desperately needs Infinispan to work on Java 6? I got a lot of pushback when I moved the required JDK in JGroups to 1.5 (people were still using 1.4), and the same for moving from 1.5 to 1.6, so I anticipate this won't be different for moving to 1.7 as baseline. I personally would not mind waiting for JGroups 5 to move to JDK 7, as this gives users a bit more time and I won't require JDK 7 before JGroups 5 anyway, as the NIO2 stuff won't be in JGroups 4, only in 5. But if you guys need to move to JDK 7 in Infinispan 6 already, then that's fine with me, too. I guess the AS has some requirements, too, so if they decide to move to JDK 7, then we'll have to make that move too -- Bela Ban, JGroups lead (http://www.jgroups.org) ___ infinispan-dev mailing list infinispan-dev@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/infinispan-dev
Re: [infinispan-dev] Baselining on Java 7
On 5/23/13 1:11 PM, Sanne Grinovero wrote: WildFly already requires Java7. OK. This doesn't mean though that JGroups 4 has to require JDK 7; it can still baseline on JDK 6. As long as jgroups version = infinispan version = wildfly version , we're fine. Of course, we can always link to a module requiring a higher JDK than the component consuming us *dynamically* Hibernate Search will likely stay a bit longer on 6, and depends on Infinispan, but this dependency is an isolated module so we can live with it by making our build a bit more painful. Users would then need Java7 only if they want to use the Infinispan extensions. Sanne On 23 May 2013 12:06, Bela Ban b...@redhat.com wrote: On 5/23/13 12:38 PM, Manik Surtani wrote: Yup, it needs to happen sometime. But the question is, when? Is there anyone out there who desperately needs Infinispan to work on Java 6? I got a lot of pushback when I moved the required JDK in JGroups to 1.5 (people were still using 1.4), and the same for moving from 1.5 to 1.6, so I anticipate this won't be different for moving to 1.7 as baseline. I personally would not mind waiting for JGroups 5 to move to JDK 7, as this gives users a bit more time and I won't require JDK 7 before JGroups 5 anyway, as the NIO2 stuff won't be in JGroups 4, only in 5. But if you guys need to move to JDK 7 in Infinispan 6 already, then that's fine with me, too. I guess the AS has some requirements, too, so if they decide to move to JDK 7, then we'll have to make that move too -- Bela Ban, JGroups lead (http://www.jgroups.org) ___ infinispan-dev mailing list infinispan-dev@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/infinispan-dev
Re: [infinispan-dev] Baselining on Java 7
Me, for now Regards, Erik On May 23, 2013, at 6:39 AM, Manik Surtani msurt...@redhat.com wrote: Yup, it needs to happen sometime. But the question is, when? Is there anyone out there who desperately needs Infinispan to work on Java 6? Cheers Manik -- Manik Surtani ma...@jboss.org twitter.com/maniksurtani Platform Architect, JBoss Data Grid http://red.ht/data-grid ___ infinispan-dev mailing list infinispan-dev@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/infinispan-dev ___ infinispan-dev mailing list infinispan-dev@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/infinispan-dev
Re: [infinispan-dev] Baselining on Java 7
What about skipping 7 and waiting for 8? On May 23, 2013, at 12:38 PM, Manik Surtani msurt...@redhat.com wrote: Yup, it needs to happen sometime. But the question is, when? Is there anyone out there who desperately needs Infinispan to work on Java 6? Cheers Manik -- Manik Surtani ma...@jboss.org twitter.com/maniksurtani Platform Architect, JBoss Data Grid http://red.ht/data-grid ___ infinispan-dev mailing list infinispan-dev@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/infinispan-dev -- Galder Zamarreño gal...@redhat.com twitter.com/galderz Project Lead, Escalante http://escalante.io Engineer, Infinispan http://infinispan.org ___ infinispan-dev mailing list infinispan-dev@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/infinispan-dev
Re: [infinispan-dev] Baselining on Java 7
If the majority of users go directly to 8 from 6, then yes why not. But if that's not the case, then we can't do it, either... On 5/23/13 3:07 PM, Galder Zamarreño wrote: What about skipping 7 and waiting for 8? On May 23, 2013, at 12:38 PM, Manik Surtani msurt...@redhat.com wrote: Yup, it needs to happen sometime. But the question is, when? Is there anyone out there who desperately needs Infinispan to work on Java 6? Cheers Manik -- Bela Ban, JGroups lead (http://www.jgroups.org) ___ infinispan-dev mailing list infinispan-dev@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/infinispan-dev
Re: [infinispan-dev] Baselining on Java 7
Oracle will support Java 7 at least until March 2015 [1]. And it's very likely that some people will keep using 7 after that, just like they are using 6 now. So unless we want to support Java 6 until 2016, I don't think we can skip 7. [1] http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/eol-135779.html On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 4:51 PM, Bela Ban b...@redhat.com wrote: If the majority of users go directly to 8 from 6, then yes why not. But if that's not the case, then we can't do it, either... On 5/23/13 3:07 PM, Galder Zamarreño wrote: What about skipping 7 and waiting for 8? On May 23, 2013, at 12:38 PM, Manik Surtani msurt...@redhat.com wrote: Yup, it needs to happen sometime. But the question is, when? Is there anyone out there who desperately needs Infinispan to work on Java 6? Cheers Manik -- Bela Ban, JGroups lead (http://www.jgroups.org) ___ infinispan-dev mailing list infinispan-dev@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/infinispan-dev ___ infinispan-dev mailing list infinispan-dev@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/infinispan-dev
Re: [infinispan-dev] Baselining on Java 7
Sent from my iPhone On 23 May 2013, at 12:06, Bela Ban b...@redhat.com wrote: On 5/23/13 12:38 PM, Manik Surtani wrote: Yup, it needs to happen sometime. But the question is, when? Is there anyone out there who desperately needs Infinispan to work on Java 6? I got a lot of pushback when I moved the required JDK in JGroups to 1.5 (people were still using 1.4), and the same for moving from 1.5 to 1.6, so I anticipate this won't be different for moving to 1.7 as baseline. I personally would not mind waiting for JGroups 5 to move to JDK 7, as this gives users a bit more time and I won't require JDK 7 before JGroups 5 anyway, as the NIO2 stuff won't be in JGroups 4, only in 5. +1 to stick to 6 at leat till jgroups 5. Besides NIO2 stuff, is there anything from 7 we want badly? But if you guys need to move to JDK 7 in Infinispan 6 already, then that's fine with me, too. I guess the AS has some requirements, too, so if they decide to move to JDK 7, then we'll have to make that move too -- Bela Ban, JGroups lead (http://www.jgroups.org) ___ infinispan-dev mailing list infinispan-dev@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/infinispan-dev ___ infinispan-dev mailing list infinispan-dev@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/infinispan-dev
