Problems with cvs login

2000-05-17 Thread Robert B. Andrews

Sorry if this is a bit long.

I am having problems just logging into cvs:

  (cvsusr) /usr/local/cvs/repos-1/CVSROOT: cvs -d
:pserver:cvsusr@localhost:/usr/local/cvs/repos-1 login
  (Logging in to cvsusr@localhost)
  CVS password:
  cvs [login aborted]: received broken pipe signal

The entire tree /usr/local/cvs is rw by group cvsgrp, of which cvsusr is a
member.  In
/usr/local/cvs/repos-1/CVSROOT/passwd, I created an entry for cvsusr, and put in

a copy of the encrypted password created elsewhere (works for unix login), the
uid
for cvsusr is > 500, and the home directory is /usr/local/cvs.

I have cvs version 1.10.6, RedHat 6.1, kernel 2.2.14.

Has anyone had this type of problem?

Thanks in advance.

Bob




some question about gCVS.

2000-05-17 Thread Peng Yun

hi, dear experts,

i am a newbie to CVS. i install a gCVS1.0a4 in a sparc/solaris2.6 machine. i
have some question about CVS/gCVS.

1. i heard from internet that tkCVS is the most favorite UNIX GUI. is it
true? how about gCVS? Consided with learning curve, how much do u think a
GUI is necessary for beginners? The members of my group think command line
is not easy to use.

2. i tried WinCVS before gCVS, both has similar interface. i found that: (A)
i can't input CVS command line in "status view wor,space" while i can do it
in wincvs; (B)the "creat new repository" doesn't work, i have to input "cvs
init" by hand; (C)there is a feature in graph selected. in wincvs, when i
click the version box, its corresponding status will be showed in status
view workspace. but in gcvs , this feature disappears. I want to know: are
the problems above due to gcvs' not-done, or my mis-compile?

3. about CVS server. I want to setup a simplest one in this point, no
password, no authentication. what's the way?

any reponse is highly appreciated. thanks in advance!

David Penn
Shanghai Inst., Huawei Tech. Co.
P.R. China


 smime.p7s


Re: CVS security: networked filesystems like AFS, client server,ssh

2000-05-17 Thread Gerhard Sittig

On Mon, May 15, 2000 at 12:44 -0500, Andy Glew wrote:
> 
> Noel L Yap wrote:
> 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 05/14/2000 09:50:23 PM
> > >CVS with its own dedicated socket/port
> > >run across SSH
> > >
> > >Transport secured, but the CVS socket/port
> > >is open to the world on the remote machine,
> > >and hence is insecure there, and on the
> > >remote machine's network.
> >
> > If the data stream is encrypted, why do you call this
> > insecure?  How secure is secure?
> 
> [ ... ]
> 
> If the forwarded port is open to all of the network segment
> that the client machine is on, then you are only as secure as
> the least secure machine on that network.

Yes, *if* the forwarded port is open ...  But this is normally
not the case.  I recall myself wondering about the dialog box
popping up from TeraTerm Pro saying "remote host ... tried to use
us" (or something along these lines).  Glimpsing over the ssh
manpage and reading third party literature too revealed that you
explicitely have to open you forwarded ports for use by other
machines than localhost.  This means that any connection to this
port not originating from 127.0.0.1 will fail.  And you have set
up a filter for your workstation not to allow such packets from
the outside interfaces since you're concerned about security.
Don't you? :)


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Re: remote checkout problem with cvs

2000-05-17 Thread Yarry Gonzalez

Hello all,

You can find many of the CVS resources you are looking for at 
CVSHome.org (http://www.cvshome.org/) as well.  CVSHome.org is the 
new incarnation of the old sourcegear/cyclic site, and should contain 
many of the resources you are looking for.

Cheers!

Yarry Gonzalez
OpenAvenue Community Relations
Interplanar Diplomat

> and the sites you want to visit:
> 
> > It is archived at www.egroups.com An interactive FAQ is
> > available at http://www.loria.fr/~molli/ See
> > http://www.sourcegear.com/CVS/support for these and other
> > links.
> 
> > Along with other places, it is archived with all the other GNU
> > mailing lists at ftp://ftp-mailing-list-archives.gnu.org/.





Re: CVS security: networked filesystems like AFS, client server ,ssh

2000-05-17 Thread Andy Glew

> >> I see (some of) the requirements as the following:
> >> 1. Allow CVS to work without a login account on the server.
> >
> >I don't understand the problem with creating an ssh account that only
> >allows the cvs server command.  I certainly have more confidence in ssh's
> >security than in CVS's, and I believe this is the setup that SourceForge
> >is currently using.
> 
> I should've added another requirement:
> 3. Minimize involvement of sysadmin (at least for management of read-only
> users).
> 
> The reason I didn't include it the first time is 'cos it's more a requirement in
> a maintenance sense than an absolute sense.  For example, I'd like to distribute
> (to an extent) the admin of the repository so that I can give authorization to
> some people to be able to add/remove other people to the list of read-only
> users.



I differ with Noel: I think that it is absolute anathema to have CVS work
without a login account on the server.  


However, I agree with Noel about minimizing sysadmin involvement.
Sysadmin should only be required to set up user accounts.
The setup of the CVS project, repository, management of permissions,
etc., none of it should require sysadmin involvement.
This is one of the biggest reasons I am pro-network filesystems
and against servers.




Re: cvs [status aborted]: connect to lablnx1.abc.com:2401 failed: Connection refused

2000-05-17 Thread Larry Jones

Joe Hall writes:
> 
> When tring to ci files or get status of files using cvs in a script, 
> like in the following find script, it will error out after about 20 
> connections.  After the error, it will block anyone else from making 
> connections for about 5 minutes.

See your inetd documentation -- when there are "too many" request for a
service in "too short" a time, inetd decides there's something wrong and
shuts down that service temporarily to avoid swamping the machine with
server processes.  There is always a way to adjust this behavior, but
the specifics vary wildly between different inetd implementations.

-Larry Jones

When I want an editorial, I'll ASK for it! -- Calvin




Re: Cannot Find Password

2000-05-17 Thread Larry Jones

Michael Labhard writes:
> 
> After running "cvs update" the command appears to run correctly but ends with
> "Cannot find password. Update aborted".

That message doesn't seem to come from CVS itself, could you send the
exact output you get?  If you could run the update with the -t global
option, that would be most helpful.

-Larry Jones

Pitiful.  Just pitiful. -- Calvin




cvs [status aborted]: connect to lablnx1.abc.com:2401 failed: Connection refused

2000-05-17 Thread Joe Hall

When tring to ci files or get status of files using cvs in a script, 
like in the following find script, it will error out after about 20 
connections.  After the error, it will block anyone else from making 
connections for about 5 minutes.

SAMPLE SCRIPT:
-
orion:hallj> cvs login
(Logging in to [EMAIL PROTECTED])
CVS password:

orion:hallj> cd cmtest1
orion:hallj> find . -type f -name "*.c" -exec cvs status {} \;
===
File: almclk.c  Status: Up-to-date

   Working revision:1.1
   Repository revision: 
1.1 /cvs/DEV/cmtest1/learn/almclk/src/almclk.c,v
   Sticky Tag:  (none)
   Sticky Date: (none)
   Sticky Options:  (none)

===
File: initpcb.c Status: Up-to-date

   Working revision:1.1
   Repository revision: 
1.1 /cvs/DEV/cmtest1/learn/almclk/test/initpcb.c,v
   Sticky Tag:  (none)
   Sticky Date: (none)
   Sticky Options:  (none)

===
.
.
.
# Works for about 20 files, then we start getting these errors: #

cvs [status aborted]: recv() from server lablnx1.abc.com: Connection 
reset by peer
cvs [status aborted]: connect to lablnx1.abc.com:2401 failed: 
Connection refused
cvs [status aborted]: connect to lablnx1.abc.com:2401 failed: 
Connection refused
cvs [status aborted]: connect to lablnx1.abc.com:2401 failed: 
Connection refused
cvs [status aborted]: connect to lablnx1.abc.com:2401 failed: 
Connection refused
cvs [status aborted]: connect to lablnx1.abc.com:2401 failed: 
Connection refused
cvs [status aborted]: connect to lablnx1.abc.com:2401 failed: 
Connection refused
cvs [status aborted]: connect to lablnx1.abc.com:2401 failed: 
Connection refused
cvs [status aborted]: connect to lablnx1.abc.com:2401 failed: 
Connection refused
cvs [status aborted]: connect to lablnx1.abc.com:2401 failed: 
Connection refused
cvs [status aborted]: connect to lablnx1.abc.com:2401 failed: 
Connection refused
cvs [status aborted]: connect to lablnx1.abc.com:2401 failed: 
Connection refused
cvs [status aborted]: connect to lablnx1.abc.com:2401 failed: 
Connection refused
cvs [status aborted]: connect to lablnx1.abc.com:2401 failed: 
Connection refused
cvs [status aborted]: connect to lablnx1.abc.com:2401 failed: 
Connection refused
cvs [status aborted]: connect to lablnx1.abc.com:2401 failed: 
Connection refused
cvs [status aborted]: connect to lablnx1.abc.com:2401 failed: 
Connection refused
cvs [status aborted]: connect to lablnx1.abc.com:2401 failed: 
Connection refused
cvs [status aborted]: connect to lablnx1.abc.com:2401 failed: 
Connection refused
cvs [status aborted]: connect to lablnx1.abc.com:2401 failed: 
Connection refused
.
.
.






Re: query - cvs for sparc machine

2000-05-17 Thread Amit Garg


thanks for the response. It seems to be working fine now. Actually the
header file "krb5.h" that i had was corrupted so it was not compiling the
source code.

Amit Garg

> "Amit Garg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 05/17/2000 09:09:22 AM
>
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  query - cvs for sparc machine
> Hi,
>
> I have a query regarding CVS. Is it possible to use CVS on SPARC with
> solaris running on it? I have found various versions of CVS for solaris
but
> they don't work on SPARC machine.
>
> If it is available, please let me know from where I can download the CVS
> that I can use on SPARC machines.
>
> thanks,
>
> Amit Garg






Re: Removing files from two servers simultaneously

2000-05-17 Thread Larry Jones

Jorge Godoy writes [quoting me]:
> 
> So, the only way to override CVS/Root is with the -d option. Can I
> "blindly" believe that? :-) 

Yes.

> > Most likely, he used the wrong -d option for the directory he was in. 
> > An explicit -d option takes precedence over CVS/Root and CVS/Repository,
> > which in turn take precedence over $CVSROOT.
> 
> Is it an interesting feature to keep? I see it as more dangerous than
> useful it the cvs user doesn't take care.

Yes, it's an interesting feature to keep precisely because it *is* the
only way to override CVS/Root (and because it's a much more convenient
way of specifying a non-default repository when you don't have anything
checked out yet than changing $CVSROOT).  And it is dangerous, which is
why it should not be used as a matter of course, but only in rare,
special circumstances (i.e., when doing something to a repository other
than your default repository when you don't already have something
checked out).

-Larry Jones

Life's a lot more fun when you're not responsible for your actions. -- Calvin




Re: remote checkout problem with cvs

2000-05-17 Thread Gerhard Sittig

On Tue, May 16, 2000 at 08:45 +0200, Ziegler Gábor wrote:
> 
> cvs checkout -P 31um (in directory D:\POPO)
> cvs server: cannot open /root/.cvsignore: Permission denied
> cvs [server aborted]: can't chdir(/root): Permission denied

*Please* make sure you use your own resources before annoying
others by wasting their time.  IOW:  Do a little work and search
the archive before posting FAQs.  Latest messages with this
subject (or the ones I stored here):


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and the sites you want to visit:

> It is archived at www.egroups.com An interactive FAQ is
> available at http://www.loria.fr/~molli/ See
> http://www.sourcegear.com/CVS/support for these and other
> links.

> Along with other places, it is archived with all the other GNU
> mailing lists at ftp://ftp-mailing-list-archives.gnu.org/.


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Re: query - cvs for sparc machine

2000-05-17 Thread alant



We have CVS running on several Sparc computers with many versions of Solaris -
no problem.
Alan Thompson





"Amit Garg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 05/17/2000 09:09:22 AM

To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cc:(bcc: Alan Thompson/Orincon)
Subject:  query - cvs for sparc machine



Hi,

I have a query regarding CVS. Is it possible to use CVS on SPARC with
solaris running on it? I have found various versions of CVS for solaris but
they don't work on SPARC machine.

If it is available, please let me know from where I can download the CVS
that I can use on SPARC machines.

thanks,

Amit Garg
Software Engineer
Intersoft Technologies
270, Littleton Rd, #23
Westford, MA









Re: Removing files from two servers simultaneously

2000-05-17 Thread Jorge Godoy

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Larry Jones) writes:

> Jorge Godoy writes:
> > 
> > Both servers were onto his ~/.cvspass file. He don't have the CVSROOT
> > environment variable defined (all commands use the -d option). 
> 
> You should only use -d when doing the initial checkout -- once you have
> stuff checked out, CVS knows where it came from (from CVS/Repository and
> CVS/Root), so there's no need to specify it on the command line and
> doing so can be dangerous (see below).

I understood. 
So, the only way to override CVS/Root is with the -d option. Can I
"blindly" believe that? :-) 

> Most likely, he used the wrong -d option for the directory he was in. 
> An explicit -d option takes precedence over CVS/Root and CVS/Repository,
> which in turn take precedence over $CVSROOT.

Is it an interesting feature to keep? I see it as more dangerous than
useful it the cvs user doesn't take care.

One can make aliases to log into the correct cvs server and also alias
cvs to "cvs -d server/repository"... If CVS/Root had precedence, one
couldn't do that...



-- 
Godoy.  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

Departamento de Publicações
Publishing Department   Conectiva S.A.




Re: Removing files from two servers simultaneously

2000-05-17 Thread Larry Jones

Jorge Godoy writes:
> 
> Both servers were onto his ~/.cvspass file. He don't have the CVSROOT
> environment variable defined (all commands use the -d option). 

You should only use -d when doing the initial checkout -- once you have
stuff checked out, CVS knows where it came from (from CVS/Repository and
CVS/Root), so there's no need to specify it on the command line and
doing so can be dangerous (see below).

> He has two different directories but modules have the same name:
> 
> /home/cvs/server1/module
> /home/cvs/server2/module
> 
> Is it possible that removed files from server2 could affect the
> repositories on server1? I'm absolutely sure that files were removed
> only from the second server. The CVS/Root files indicate the correct
> repository for both servers.

Most likely, he used the wrong -d option for the directory he was in. 
An explicit -d option takes precedence over CVS/Root and CVS/Repository,
which in turn take precedence over $CVSROOT.

-Larry Jones

That's one of the remarkable things about life.  It's never so
bad that it can't get worse. -- Calvin




Cannot Find Password

2000-05-17 Thread Michael Labhard

After running "cvs update" the command appears to run correctly but ends with
"Cannot find password. Update aborted".  The user can log in (local
repository) and is in the passwrd file.  Anyone know where this is coming from?

-- Michael




Re: query - cvs for sparc machine

2000-05-17 Thread Gary Pinkham

I'm using it on on a ultrasparc...   I downloaded the source and compiled it
myself...   Works fine...

GaRy

Amit Garg wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have a query regarding CVS. Is it possible to use CVS on SPARC with
> solaris running on it? I have found various versions of CVS for solaris but
> they don't work on SPARC machine.
> 
> If it is available, please let me know from where I can download the CVS
> that I can use on SPARC machines.
> 
> thanks,
> 
> Amit Garg
> Software Engineer
> Intersoft Technologies
> 270, Littleton Rd, #23
> Westford, MA

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Re: query - cvs for sparc machine

2000-05-17 Thread Larry Jones

Amit Garg writes:
> 
> I have a query regarding CVS. Is it possible to use CVS on SPARC with
> solaris running on it? I have found various versions of CVS for solaris but
> they don't work on SPARC machine.

Of course.  Assuming you have a C compiler, you can download the source
from www.cyclic.com and build it yourself.

-Larry Jones

In short, open revolt and exile is the only hope for change? -- Calvin




Removing files from two servers simultaneously

2000-05-17 Thread Jorge Godoy


Hi.


We work with some cvs servers. A user was logged on two different
servers working with two different versions of a module (one was the
original module and the other was its copy plus additional
translations). 

Both servers were onto his ~/.cvspass file. He don't have the CVSROOT
environment variable defined (all commands use the -d option). 


He has two different directories but modules have the same name:

/home/cvs/server1/module
/home/cvs/server2/module


Is it possible that removed files from server2 could affect the
repositories on server1? I'm absolutely sure that files were removed
only from the second server. The CVS/Root files indicate the correct
repository for both servers.



Thanks,
-- 
Godoy.  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

Departamento de Publicações
Publishing Department   Conectiva S.A.




query - cvs for sparc machine

2000-05-17 Thread Amit Garg

Hi,

I have a query regarding CVS. Is it possible to use CVS on SPARC with
solaris running on it? I have found various versions of CVS for solaris but
they don't work on SPARC machine.

If it is available, please let me know from where I can download the CVS
that I can use on SPARC machines.

thanks,

Amit Garg
Software Engineer
Intersoft Technologies
270, Littleton Rd, #23
Westford, MA





Merge problem with WinCVS

2000-05-17 Thread Borrione Aldo

Maybe this is a trivial matter, but here it is:

We develop in WinCVS on the main trunk and say we arrive at ver 1.4 of
file.c.

Then we create a branch, named my_branch, and Team A starts working
on it. As a result of this work, some lines are added, some are modified 
and some other are deleted from the initial revision of file.c.

Team B goes on on the main trunk, does a similar job as Team A and 
checks in, at the end, version 1.5.

Now the two teams prepare from a merge from my_branch to the main trunk.

How is the merge done, in detail ?? 

In our experience it seems that lines that are DELETED while working on the
branch
versions REAPPEAR after the merge if these ARE STILL present in the main
trunk 
versions. Should this be outlined as a "whole line" conflict ?

So, what kind of merge is this ? In other words, what are exactly the merge
rules ?

We have carefully looked at the Cederqvist, but we did not find a suitable
answer to
our doubts. This is very important for us since if we do not clearly
understand
what is behind the merge command we feel a little unconfident in the merge 
operation, which is not frequent in our environment but sometimes really
necessary.

By the way, is it possible to integrate in WinCVS an external merge tool (
such as
AraxisMerge ) the same way it is possible to integrate an external diff tool
?

Thanks in advance for any kind of help.

Regards to all,

Aldo Borrione 

Aldo BORRIONE
Centro Ricerche FIAT
Direzione Sistemi Elettronici
DSS-Progettazione Software

Tel: +39.011.9083.945
Fax:+39.011.9083.083
Email:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]







Re: CVS security: networked filesystems like AFS, client server ,ssh

2000-05-17 Thread Noel L Yap





[EMAIL PROTECTED] on 05/17/2000 02:03:11 AM
>Noel L Yap <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> I see (some of) the requirements as the following:
>> 1. Allow CVS to work without a login account on the server.
>
>I don't understand the problem with creating an ssh account that only
>allows the cvs server command.  I certainly have more confidence in ssh's
>security than in CVS's, and I believe this is the setup that SourceForge
>is currently using.

I should've added another requirement:
3. Minimize involvement of sysadmin (at least for management of read-only
users).

The reason I didn't include it the first time is 'cos it's more a requirement in
a maintenance sense than an absolute sense.  For example, I'd like to distribute
(to an extent) the admin of the repository so that I can give authorization to
some people to be able to add/remove other people to the list of read-only
users.

Noel



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Re: CVS logins

2000-05-17 Thread Larry Jones

Sandra Wittenbrock writes:
>  
> cvs [login aborted]: authorization failed: server cvs rejected   
> access   
>  
> With the same user name and password, I can login from another   
> computer.

If the same username and password work from another machine (and you're
sure you didn't make a typo in one of them), the problem is most likely
that your $CVSROOT isn't quite right.

-Larry Jones

The living dead don't NEED to solve word problems. -- Calvin




Re: time zones

2000-05-17 Thread Larry Jones

Mike Shamberger writes:
> 
> How does CVS work with time zones?  I have development groups across
> different time zones.  Will this cause a problem when trying to figure out
> when files were really modified?  Anyone have any solutions?

CVS keeps all times in UTC (and usually displays them that way, too), so
as long as the client machines know what timezone they're in,,
everything works just fine.

-Larry Jones

You're going to be pretty lonely in the nursing home. -- Calvin




Add to documentation (WAS: RE: cvs permissions)

2000-05-17 Thread Fredrik Liljegren

> That would place pretty weird permissions on all but 
> directories.  Maybe
> you really mean:

>  find $CVSROOT -type d -print | xargs chmod g+s

I'm very glad this diskussion came up right now, because I was about to ask
the same thing.  I think this should be in the main documentation; is there
somebody on this list responsible for the docs?

Regards, EOF




RE: CVS security: networked filesystems like AFS, client server, ssh

2000-05-17 Thread Fredrik Liljegren

> CVS using a non-socket/port transport like rsh or ssh
> to connect to a server machine. "cvs server"
> 
> As secure as the transport.
> 
> E.g. requires account administration on the
> machine on which cvs server will run.

You lose very much in performance if you run cvs "locally" over a networked
filesystem, instead of a client server.  Believe me, I got a change from
about 25 minuter to between 5 and 8 seconds by switching from a smb-mount to
ssh-client/server.  Security-wise though, I don't know that much about it...

Regards, EOF




FW: [Plib-devel] UL directory.

2000-05-17 Thread Norman Vine

Hi

I am hoping that someone can shed some light on this.
I am not a member of the list so please cc me directly

Thanks in advance

Norman Vine -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]

>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of 
>Steve Baker
>Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 2:12 AM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [Plib-devel] UL directory.
>
>
>Norman Vine wrote:
>> 
>> Curt writes:
>> 
>> >Steve Baker writes:
>> >> Well, I've tried absolutely everything and I can't get CVS to
>> >> get rid of that 'UL' directory.
>> >
>> >As far as I know, CVS provides no commands or options to remove a
>> >directory.
>
>OK - thanks for the info guys.
>
>The problem here was that (for Windoze-related reasons) the directory
>was inadvertantly created with an UPPERCASE filename.  Whilst I can
>understand that CVS won't delete a directory - it's a pain that
>it won't let me create a new directory with the same name but in
>lowercase...but I guess that must be for Windoze-compatability
>reasons also.
>
>I guess that we should make a rule that if someone wants to make
>a new directory, they should either use UNIX/Linux or ask me to
>do it.
>
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