Re: cvs diff - new files

2003-06-17 Thread Greg A. Woods
[ On Tuesday, June 17, 2003 at 11:24:26 (+0530), Jayashree wrote: ]
> Subject: cvs diff - new files
>
> I've noticed that "cvs diff" does not show new files
> when the export CVSROOT is not using pserver.
> Any ways by which I can find out new files to be baselined
>  in a folder?

How about trying "cvs diff -N"?

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update -j -j pulls in more than we want

2003-06-17 Thread Andrew Lawson
Hello
Lately I've been stung when applying update -j -j to wildly disparate
versions of a program. CVS insists on pulling in unwanted fixes in order to
meet its contextual needs it seems. While this makes sense is there any way
of predicting or controlling how cvs behaves in such situations?

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checkout/commit onto/from shared disks.

2003-06-17 Thread David Bowring
Hi,

I'd like to start by thanking everyone for the advice I've received from
previous posts...so thank you all.
Alas, I once more seek your advice though.  I intend to build a
clustered linux solution for our developers to use.  
This would comprise of one central server upon which all the developers
home directories and cvs server would reside.  They will be logged into
any one of many machines (nodes).  My concern is being that each of our
developers home directories will be a disk share from the central
machine, and all the checkout/commit will be done via pserver onto these
shares (I am considering using NFS to create the shares).  If anyone can
give me any guidance or foresight of any pit falls with such a
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Re: checkout/commit onto/from shared disks.

2003-06-17 Thread thomas . maciejewski

what is your concern?
The only one that I can see would be large files with frequent changes over
a slow network.  But even that wouldnt seem like much of an issue.
Tom



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Hi,

I'd like to start by thanking everyone for the advice I've received from
previous posts...so thank you all.
Alas, I once more seek your advice though.  I intend to build a
clustered linux solution for our developers to use.
This would comprise of one central server upon which all the developers
home directories and cvs server would reside.  They will be logged into
any one of many machines (nodes).  My concern is being that each of our
developers home directories will be a disk share from the central
machine, and all the checkout/commit will be done via pserver onto these
shares (I am considering using NFS to create the shares).  If anyone can
give me any guidance or foresight of any pit falls with such a
mechanism, it would be gratefully appreciated.

Thanks

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RE: checkout/commit onto/from shared disks.

2003-06-17 Thread David Bowring
My concerns were merely that I had heard noises about using CVS on disk
shares and was worried (in some part) about corruption, though I could
not foresee it.  All the clustered machines will be on a Gigabit
backbone, so this should negate the network throughput issue.

Cheers

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what is your concern?
The only one that I can see would be large files with frequent changes
over
a slow network.  But even that wouldnt seem like much of an issue.
Tom



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Hi,

I'd like to start by thanking everyone for the advice I've received from
previous posts...so thank you all.
Alas, I once more seek your advice though.  I intend to build a
clustered linux solution for our developers to use.
This would comprise of one central server upon which all the developers
home directories and cvs server would reside.  They will be logged into
any one of many machines (nodes).  My concern is being that each of our
developers home directories will be a disk share from the central
machine, and all the checkout/commit will be done via pserver onto these
shares (I am considering using NFS to create the shares).  If anyone can
give me any guidance or foresight of any pit falls with such a
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Thanks

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Re: checkout/commit onto/from shared disks.

2003-06-17 Thread Max Bowsher
David Bowring wrote:
> My concerns were merely that I had heard noises about using CVS on disk
> shares and was worried (in some part) about corruption, though I could
> not foresee it.  All the clustered machines will be on a Gigabit
> backbone, so this should negate the network throughput issue.

AFAIK, the corruption issues relate to storing the repository itself on a
network share.

Max.

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> what is your concern?
> The only one that I can see would be large files with frequent changes
> over
> a slow network.  But even that wouldnt seem like much of an issue.
> Tom
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> Hi,
>
> I'd like to start by thanking everyone for the advice I've received from
> previous posts...so thank you all.
> Alas, I once more seek your advice though.  I intend to build a
> clustered linux solution for our developers to use.
> This would comprise of one central server upon which all the developers
> home directories and cvs server would reside.  They will be logged into
> any one of many machines (nodes).  My concern is being that each of our
> developers home directories will be a disk share from the central
> machine, and all the checkout/commit will be done via pserver onto these
> shares (I am considering using NFS to create the shares).  If anyone can
> give me any guidance or foresight of any pit falls with such a
> mechanism, it would be gratefully appreciated.



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Re: checkout/commit onto/from shared disks.

2003-06-17 Thread Riechers, Matthew W
Max Bowsher wrote:
> 
> David Bowring wrote:
> > My concerns were merely that I had heard noises about using CVS on disk
> > shares and was worried (in some part) about corruption, though I could
> > not foresee it.  All the clustered machines will be on a Gigabit
> > backbone, so this should negate the network throughput issue.
> 
> AFAIK, the corruption issues relate to storing the repository itself on a
> network share.

As anecdotal evidence, I'd submit that I have been hosting several sandboxes
on NFS shares for years without incident. As long as the path between the
client and server is not over a network sharing system, you shouldn't have a
problem.

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Re: checkout/commit onto/from shared disks.

2003-06-17 Thread Larry Jones
David Bowring writes:
> 
> My concern is being that each of our
> developers home directories will be a disk share from the central
> machine, and all the checkout/commit will be done via pserver onto these
> shares (I am considering using NFS to create the shares).  If anyone can
> give me any guidance or foresight of any pit falls with such a
> mechanism, it would be gratefully appreciated.

All of the known NFS problems are interoperability problems between
different NFS implementations.  Your proposed setup uses the same NFS
implementation on all the machines, so it should work just fine.

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Re: checkout/commit onto/from shared disks.

2003-06-17 Thread Larry Jones
Riechers, Matthew W writes:
> 
> As anecdotal evidence, I'd submit that I have been hosting several sandboxes
> on NFS shares for years without incident. As long as the path between the
> client and server is not over a network sharing system, you shouldn't have a
> problem.

NFS mounted working directories are just as problematic as NFS mounted
repositories, it's just that the chances of having a problem are usually
smaller (since the repository is more heavily used than a working
directory) and the consequences of having a problem are less severe.  If
it works for you, then more power to you; I've been running an NFS
mounted repository for years without incident, but I don't recommend it
to others.

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Re: checkout/commit onto/from shared disks.

2003-06-17 Thread Greg A. Woods
[ On Tuesday, June 17, 2003 at 10:27:21 (-0400), Larry Jones wrote: ]
> Subject: Re: checkout/commit onto/from shared disks.
>
> All of the known NFS problems are interoperability problems between
> different NFS implementations.

Well there can also be generic NFS problems between server and client of
the same implementation.  For example NetBSD has full support for file
locking in the server, but none in the client.

However for working directories there can be no more problems with NFS
than there would be with any other ordinary file using application on
NFS since there should never be more than one CVS process active in any
given working directory at any time.

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Re: checkout/commit onto/from shared disks.

2003-06-17 Thread Greg A. Woods
[ On Tuesday, June 17, 2003 at 13:03:52 (+0100), David Bowring wrote: ]
> Subject: checkout/commit onto/from shared disks.
>
> This would comprise of one central server upon which all the developers
> home directories and cvs server would reside.  They will be logged into
> any one of many machines (nodes).  My concern is being that each of our
> developers home directories will be a disk share from the central
> machine, and all the checkout/commit will be done via pserver onto these
> shares (I am considering using NFS to create the shares).  If anyone can
> give me any guidance or foresight of any pit falls with such a
> mechanism, it would be gratefully appreciated.

There is no problem with CVS sandboxes on NFS.

However in such a scenario it would be not just unwise to use
cvspserver, but unnecessary as well.  Just use rsh!  Rsh is FAR more
secure than NFS.

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Re: checkout/commit onto/from shared disks.

2003-06-17 Thread Larry Jones
Greg A. Woods writes [quoting me]:
> >
> > All of the known NFS problems are interoperability problems between
> > different NFS implementations.
> 
> Well there can also be generic NFS problems between server and client of
> the same implementation.  For example NetBSD has full support for file
> locking in the server, but none in the client.

Perhaps I should have said, "... problems with CVS ..." -- CVS doesn't
use file locking.

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Re: checkout/commit onto/from shared disks.

2003-06-17 Thread Kristopher Hollingsworth
  This is more or less what I'm trying to set up, Checkout/commit over a small LAN 
here. Everything would be over shared drives, but I don't know how to setup the 
CVSServer, so if someone could point me to some documentation on this or any other 
help towards that end... The Repository would be on this machine which is Windows 98 
(I should be able to come up with a more elegant setup in the future, but for now, I 
really just need this to work as it is.) With two other Windows machines accessing the 
repository. Anyway... Thanks in advance for any help...

   -Kristopher Hollingsworth

--- "Greg A. Woods" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[ On Tuesday, June 17, 2003 at 13:03:52 (+0100), David Bowring wrote: ]
>> Subject: checkout/commit onto/from shared disks.
>>
>> This would comprise of one central server upon which all the developers
>> home directories and cvs server would reside.  They will be logged into
>> any one of many machines (nodes).  My concern is being that each of our
>> developers home directories will be a disk share from the central
>> machine, and all the checkout/commit will be done via pserver onto these
>> shares (I am considering using NFS to create the shares).  If anyone can
>> give me any guidance or foresight of any pit falls with such a
>> mechanism, it would be gratefully appreciated.
>
>There is no problem with CVS sandboxes on NFS.
>
>However in such a scenario it would be not just unwise to use
>cvspserver, but unnecessary as well.  Just use rsh!  Rsh is FAR more
>secure than NFS.
>
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Re: checkout/commit onto/from shared disks.

2003-06-17 Thread Greg A. Woods
[ On Tuesday, June 17, 2003 at 11:38:41 (-0700), Kristopher Hollingsworth wrote: ]
> Subject: Re: checkout/commit onto/from shared disks.
>
>   This is more or less what I'm trying to set up, Checkout/commit over
>   a small LAN here. Everything would be over shared drives, but I
>   don't know how to setup the CVSServer, so if someone could point me
>   to some documentation on this or any other help towards that
>   end... The Repository would be on this machine which is Windows 98
>   (I should be able to come up with a more elegant setup in the
>   future, but for now, I really just need this to work as it is.) With
>   two other Windows machines accessing the
>   repository. Anyway... Thanks in advance for any help...

I think you're in the wrong newsgroup/mailing-list.  As far as I know
"this" CVS doesn't run as a server on M$-Windows-98.  There is
supposedly a version of CVS available for M$-NT, but it has its own
user-support mailing list.

In any case *I* would strongly recommend burning your Windoze install
and putting something like FreeBSD, NetBSD, or Linux on your "server",
or even some commercial UNIX System(TM).  :-)

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Re: checkout/commit onto/from shared disks.

2003-06-17 Thread Kristopher Hollingsworth
  Yeh... That'd be nice, I'll see what I can't talk them in to doing... Oh well, 
Thanks for the help, it's appreciated.

   -Kristopher G. Hollingsworth

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>I think you're in the wrong newsgroup/mailing-list.  As far as I know
>"this" CVS doesn't run as a server on M$-Windows-98.  There is
>supposedly a version of CVS available for M$-NT, but it has its own
>user-support mailing list.
>
>In any case *I* would strongly recommend burning your Windoze install
>and putting something like FreeBSD, NetBSD, or Linux on your "server",
>or even some commercial UNIX System(TM).  :-)
>
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RE: checkout/commit onto/from shared disks.

2003-06-17 Thread Bert Robbins
Greg,

I have recently rejoined the CVS community and have come to the conclusion
that you are one of the most unhelpful people on the list. You sound like a
throw back to 10 or more years ago when the "net" was free and attitudes
like yours flourished. 

Bert

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[ On Tuesday, June 17, 2003 at 11:38:41 (-0700), Kristopher Hollingsworth
wrote: ]
> Subject: Re: checkout/commit onto/from shared disks.
>
>   This is more or less what I'm trying to set up, Checkout/commit over
>   a small LAN here. Everything would be over shared drives, but I
>   don't know how to setup the CVSServer, so if someone could point me
>   to some documentation on this or any other help towards that
>   end... The Repository would be on this machine which is Windows 98
>   (I should be able to come up with a more elegant setup in the
>   future, but for now, I really just need this to work as it is.) With
>   two other Windows machines accessing the
>   repository. Anyway... Thanks in advance for any help...

I think you're in the wrong newsgroup/mailing-list.  As far as I know
"this" CVS doesn't run as a server on M$-Windows-98.  There is
supposedly a version of CVS available for M$-NT, but it has its own
user-support mailing list.

In any case *I* would strongly recommend burning your Windoze install
and putting something like FreeBSD, NetBSD, or Linux on your "server",
or even some commercial UNIX System(TM).  :-)

-- 
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Woods

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