Re: PROPOSAL: Addressing the list's spam issue: was: [GB2312] ±ÜÃâåeÎóµÄÍâÙQÐÐäN·½Ê
Robert J. Clark wrote: On Mon, 8 Apr 2002 18:00:47 -0400 (EDT) R P Herrold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have copied RMS (who seems able to get attention grin) on poll results: 6 in favor, 0 opposed, 5 new pieces of spam at the moment. Definitely +1 - Rob +1 ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs
Re: PROPOSAL: Addressing the list's spam issue: was: [GB2312] ±ÜAâåeîóµÄíâùQäN·½ê
inFavor++; but i agree to Stephes remark: Posters who post non-conformant meeting the foregoing criteria will be silently unsubscribed. This bothers me. Newbies will often post from an html mailer (like Outlook or the latest Netscape). I'd rather they get a warning/notice that the list only accepts non-html mail, and possibly hints on how to disable html, rather than being silently unsubscribed. Maybe they get three strikes? But if that's not easy to set up, let them read the welcome note again :). -- -- Stephe -- Uwe ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs
RE: PROPOSAL: Addressing the list's spam issue: was: [GB2312] ±ÜÃâåeÎóµÄÍâÙQÐÐäN·½Ê
-Original Message- From: R P Herrold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 8. april 2002 19:58 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PROPOSAL: Addressing the list's spam issue: was: [GB2312] ±ÜÃâåeÎóµÄÍâÙQÐÐäN·½Ê -- CVS developers -- How say you? Yes! Please do so :-) Thanks anders ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs
PROPOSAL: Addressing the list's spam issue: was: [GB2312] ±ÜÃâåeÎóµÄÍâÙQÐÐäN·½Ê
dag nabbit ... (see below after snipage...) -- Forwarded message -- Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 20:29:52 +0800 From: [GB2312] ¹ú¼ÊóÒ×ÁªÑ¶Íø [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [GB2312] ±ÜÃâåeÎóµÄÍâÙQÐÐäN·½Ê½ html head meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=gb2312 meta name=GENERATOR content=Microsoft FrontPage 4.0 meta name=ProgId content=FrontPage.Editor.Document title±ÜÃâ´íÎóµÄÍâó¿ªÍØ·½Ê½/title /head -snip-- === I wrote to RMS about this -- this is the reply I received: Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 10:19:38 -0600 (MDT) From: Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: spam complaint -- ¶§·Ð ½¬¸é¼ ÀÏÇϼ¼¿ä^.^±×¸®°í ÀúÈñÁýµµ ¹æ¹®ÇØ ÁÖ¼¼¿ä.Á¤¼º²¯ ¸ð½Ã°ÚÀ¾´Ï´Ù...(±¤**°í) (fwd) info-... lists are often moderated. Maybe the CVS developers would like to moderate that list. You could ask them. (back to me ...) Proposal: I propose to undertake to offer to moderate. If so designated, in moderating, my moderation will initially consist of turning on the option to catch and hold, pending discard, all non-subscriber posts. I seek to manage held posts at least daily, often a couple times during the day (a subscriber's posts would continue to go straight thru ...) All HTML, non-English (within the bounds of non-English speakers' good faith efforts), and spam will be silently discarded. Posters who post non-conformant meeting the foregoing criteria will be silently unsubscribed. Qualifications: I manage/moderate and admin several local lists, and moderate/admin the rpm-list over at Red Hat -- CVS developers -- How say you? -- Russ Herrold ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs
RE: PROPOSAL: Addressing the list's spam issue: was: [GB2312] ±ÜÃâåeÎóµÄÍâÙQÐÐäN·½Ê
R P Herrold said: Proposal: I propose to undertake to offer to moderate. If so designated, in moderating, my moderation will initially consist of turning on the option to catch and hold, pending discard, all non-subscriber posts. I seek to manage held posts at least daily, often a couple times during the day (a subscriber's posts would continue to go straight thru ...) All HTML, non-English (within the bounds of non-English speakers' good faith efforts), and spam will be silently discarded. Posters who post non-conformant meeting the foregoing criteria will be silently unsubscribed. I vote in favor this proposal, with a slight reservation about automatic disqualification of HTML messages. Were it up to me, every message I ever write would be in plain old text, but our dad-blamed Exchange server insists on HTML-ifying my messages as it hands them to the outside world. There is one way around this, which is to set the properties on the message to use UUENCODE for attachments instead of the default method (MIME, I think), even if there are no attachments. But there isn't a way (that I have found) to do this globally. I have to do it for EVERY stinkin' message I send. And occasionally I forget to do one. (I darn near forgot to do THIS message!) My two cents. -- Kendric Beachey ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs
Re: PROPOSAL: Addressing the list's spam issue
[ On Monday, April 8, 2002 at 13:58:15 (-0400), R P Herrold wrote: ] Subject: PROPOSAL: Addressing the list's spam issue Proposal: I propose to undertake to offer to moderate. If so designated, in moderating, my moderation will initially consist of turning on the option to catch and hold, pending discard, all non-subscriber posts. I seek to manage held posts at least daily, often a couple times during the day (a subscriber's posts would continue to go straight thru ...) All HTML, non-English (within the bounds of non-English speakers' good faith efforts), and spam will be silently discarded. Posters who post non-conformant meeting the foregoing criteria will be silently unsubscribed. Qualifications: I manage/moderate and admin several local lists, and moderate/admin the rpm-list over at Red Hat -- CVS developers -- How say you? PLEASE! and THANK YOU!!! Very much! -- Greg A. Woods +1 416 218-0098; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Planix, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED]; VE3TCP; Secrets of the Weird [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs
RE: PROPOSAL: Addressing the list's spam issue: was: [GB2312] ±Ü ÃâåeÎóµÄÍâÙQÐÐäN·½Ê
On Mon, 8 Apr 2002, Beachey, Kendric wrote: Were it up to me, every message I ever write would be in plain old text, but our dad-blamed Exchange server insists on HTML-ifying my messages as it hands them to the outside world. No worry. html posted from _subscribers_ would not be caught by Mailman, and so no moderation or elide-ment would occur. -- R ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs
Re: PROPOSAL: Addressing the list's spam issue: was: [GB2312] ±ÜÃâåeÎóµÄÍâÙQÐÐäN·½Ê
Absolutely! I have never before seen such an egregious example of list abuse by spammers. Before moderation, how about the simpler step of simply denying all posts by non-members? I can see no legitimate reason why a CVS user would want to post to the list and not receive replies. But if that is not possible (?), then please, please, moderate! Best, --- Les [http://www.lesbell.com.au] ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs
Re: PROPOSAL: Addressing the list's spam issue: was: [GB2312] ±ÜÃâåeÎóµÄÍâÙQÐÐäN·½Ê
On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, Les Bell wrote: Before moderation, how about the simpler step of simply denying all posts by non-members? I can see no legitimate reason why a CVS user would want to post to the list and not receive replies. Re-read my proposal --- that _was_ my approach grin I have copied RMS (who seems able to get attention grin) on poll results: 6 in favor, 0 opposed, 5 new pieces of spam at the moment. Will advise. -- Russ ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs
Re: PROPOSAL: Addressing the list's spam issue: was: [GB2312] ±ÜÃâåeÎóµÄÍâÙQÐÐäN·½Ê
R P Herrold [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have copied RMS (who seems able to get attention grin) on poll results: 6 in favor, 0 opposed, 5 new pieces of spam at the moment. If a CVS-greenhorn and cvs-l-newcomer like me has the right to vote, then I am *definitely* for your proposal. Honestly, can't imagine anybody being against it (apart from the spammers, that is, but let's hope they won't vote). Adam -- Name and address in X-Real... ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs
Re: PROPOSAL: Addressing the list's spam issue: was: [GB2312] ±ÜÃâåeÎóµÄÍâÙQÐÐäN·½Ê
On Mon, 8 Apr 2002, R P Herrold wrote: On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, Les Bell wrote: Before moderation, how about the simpler step of simply denying all posts by non-members? I can see no legitimate reason why a CVS user would want to post to the list and not receive replies. Re-read my proposal --- that _was_ my approach grin I have copied RMS (who seems able to get attention grin) on poll results: 6 in favor, 0 opposed, 5 new pieces of spam at the moment. Will advise. Make that 7 in favour, the sooner we cut this spam out the better. I hate coming in after the weekend and finding 100 messages i nmy mail box, 90 of them being Spam. Not even my yahoo account nor my university accounts got this much spam. ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs
Re: PROPOSAL: Addressing the list's spam issue: was: [GB2312] ±ÜÃâåeÎóµÄÍâÙQÐÐäN·½Ê
On Mon, 8 Apr 2002, R P Herrold wrote: On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, Les Bell wrote: Before moderation, how about the simpler step of simply denying all posts by non-members? I can see no legitimate reason why a CVS user would want to post to the list and not receive replies. Re-read my proposal --- that _was_ my approach grin I have copied RMS (who seems able to get attention grin) on poll results: 6 in favor, 0 opposed, 5 new pieces of spam at the moment. Will advise. -- Russ I'm in favor, too. I just joined this list last week, and it's the noisest list I've ever seen. I think your proposal is a fine way to reduce the spam problem. -- Joi EllisSoftware Engineer Aravox Technologies [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] No matter what we think of Linux versus FreeBSD, etc., the one thing I really like about Linux is that it has Microsoft worried. Anything that kicks a monopoly in the pants has got to be good for something. - Chris Johnson ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs
Re: PROPOSAL: Addressing the list's spam issue
Yes, please. Sounds like a very reasonable plan. Thank you very much for addressing this. -Russ Tremain On Monday, April 8, 2002 at 13:58:15 (-0400), R P Herrold wrote: ] Subject: PROPOSAL: Addressing the list's spam issue Proposal: I propose to undertake to offer to moderate. If so designated, in moderating, my moderation will initially consist of turning on the option to catch and hold, pending discard, all non-subscriber posts. I seek to manage held posts at least daily, often a couple times during the day (a subscriber's posts would continue to go straight thru ...) All HTML, non-English (within the bounds of non-English speakers' good faith efforts), and spam will be silently discarded. Posters who post non-conformant meeting the foregoing criteria will be silently unsubscribed. Qualifications: I manage/moderate and admin several local lists, and moderate/admin the rpm-list over at Red Hat -- CVS developers -- How say you? ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs
Re: PROPOSAL: Addressing the list's spam issue: was: [GB2312] ±ÜÃâåeÎóµÄÍâÙQÐÐäN·½Ê
in_favor++; snip -- Maybe Computer Science should be in the College of Theology. -- R. S. Barton ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs
Re: PROPOSAL: Addressing the list's spam issue: was: [GB2312] ±ÜÃâåeÎóµÄÍâÙQÐÐäN·½Ê
On Mon, 8 Apr 2002 18:00:47 -0400 (EDT) R P Herrold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have copied RMS (who seems able to get attention grin) on poll results: 6 in favor, 0 opposed, 5 new pieces of spam at the moment. Definitely +1 - Rob ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs
Re: PROPOSAL: Addressing the list's spam issue: was: [GB2312] ±ÜÃâåeÎóµÄÍâÙQÐÐäN·½Ê
1 more in favour... loking att my deleted spam mailbox, the number of spam that I get through this list is about 90% or up to 95% of all the spam I get mostly I only read the list or use it as a source for finding the information i need, but all the spam has made me consider to drop this mailinglist but if you can get this through, I'm vwilling to stay on a little longer and see the results :-) -- /Christian Andersson - System Designer (Client/Server Buisness Applications) /Open Framework Systems - http://www.ofs.no - Original Message - Proposal: I propose to undertake to offer to moderate. If so designated, in moderating, my moderation will initially consist of turning on the option to catch and hold, pending discard, all non-subscriber posts. I seek to manage held posts at least daily, often a couple times during the day (a subscriber's posts would continue to go straight thru ...) All HTML, non-English (within the bounds of non-English speakers' good faith efforts), and spam will be silently discarded. Posters who post non-conformant meeting the foregoing criteria will be silently unsubscribed. Qualifications: I manage/moderate and admin several local lists, and moderate/admin the rpm-list over at Red Hat -- CVS developers -- How say you? -- Russ Herrold ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs
Re: PROPOSAL: Addressing the list's spam issue: was: [GB2312] ±ÜÃâåeÎóµÄÍâÙQÐÐäN·½Ê
Definitely in favour. Thanks! - Original Message - From: R P Herrold [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 12:58 PM Subject: PROPOSAL: Addressing the list's spam issue: was: [GB2312] ±ÜÃâåeÎóµÄÍâÙQÐÐäN·½Ê dag nabbit ... (see below after snipage...) -- Forwarded message -- Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 20:29:52 +0800 From: [GB2312] ¹ú¼ÊóÒ×ÁªÑ¶Íø [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [GB2312] ±ÜÃâåeÎóµÄÍâÙQÐÐäN·½Ê½ html head meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=gb2312 meta name=GENERATOR content=Microsoft FrontPage 4.0 meta name=ProgId content=FrontPage.Editor.Document title±ÜÃâ´íÎóµÄÍâó¿ªÍØ·½Ê½/title /head -snip-- === I wrote to RMS about this -- this is the reply I received: Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 10:19:38 -0600 (MDT) From: Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: spam complaint -- ¶§·Ð ½¬¸é¼ ÀÏÇϼ¼¿ä^.^±×¸®°í ÀúÈñÁýµµ ¹æ¹®ÇØ ÁÖ¼¼¿ä.Á¤¼º²¯ ¸ð½Ã°ÚÀ¾´Ï´Ù...(±¤**°í) (fwd) info-... lists are often moderated. Maybe the CVS developers would like to moderate that list. You could ask them. (back to me ...) Proposal: I propose to undertake to offer to moderate. If so designated, in moderating, my moderation will initially consist of turning on the option to catch and hold, pending discard, all non-subscriber posts. I seek to manage held posts at least daily, often a couple times during the day (a subscriber's posts would continue to go straight thru ...) All HTML, non-English (within the bounds of non-English speakers' good faith efforts), and spam will be silently discarded. Posters who post non-conformant meeting the foregoing criteria will be silently unsubscribed. Qualifications: I manage/moderate and admin several local lists, and moderate/admin the rpm-list over at Red Hat -- CVS developers -- How say you? -- Russ Herrold ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs
Re: PROPOSAL: Addressing the list's spam issue: was: [GB2312]±ÜÃâåeÎóµÄÍâÙQÐÐäN·½Ê
R P Herrold [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: snip Proposal: I propose to undertake to offer to moderate. If so designated, in moderating, my moderation will initially consist of turning on the option to catch and hold, pending discard, all non-subscriber posts. I seek to manage held posts at least daily, often a couple times during the day (a subscriber's posts would continue to go straight thru ...) Sounds great. All HTML, non-English (within the bounds of non-English speakers' good faith efforts), and spam will be silently discarded. Sounds great. Posters who post non-conformant meeting the foregoing criteria will be silently unsubscribed. This bothers me. Newbies will often post from an html mailer (like Outlook or the latest Netscape). I'd rather they get a warning/notice that the list only accepts non-html mail, and possibly hints on how to disable html, rather than being silently unsubscribed. Maybe they get three strikes? But if that's not easy to set up, let them read the welcome note again :). -- -- Stephe ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs
Re: PROPOSAL: Addressing the list's spam issue: was: [GB2312] ±ÜÃâåeÎóµÄÍâÙQÐÐäN·½Ê
On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 01:58:15PM -0400, R P Herrold wrote: Proposal: I propose to undertake to offer to moderate. +1! -- | | /\ |-_|/ Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont.[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | / Outlook not so good. That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next. - Anonymous ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs
Re: PROPOSAL: Addressing the list's spam issue: was: [GB2312] ±ÜÃâåeÎóµÄÍâÙQÐÐäN·½Ê
On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 01:58:15PM -0400, R P Herrold wrote: Proposal: I propose to undertake to offer to moderate. If so + 1 Frank ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs
