Re: OT - Spaces in file and directory names (was: Alias syntax fo

2005-04-22 Thread Larry Jones
Jim.Hyslop writes:
> 
> What I object to is the attitude "spaces in file names are evil," the phrase
> that kicked off this (as you correctly pointed out) off-topic discussion.
> That attitude is outmoded, and reeks of a calcified mentality that refuses
> to accept change.

Then let me rephrase the attitude: "Funny" characters (like spaces) in
file names are nice and work well as long as you never use anything
other than point and click applications, but they will cause you no end
of grief if you ever use anything else, so they are best avoided.

-Larry Jones

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Re: OT - Spaces in file and directory names (was: Alias syntax fo

2005-04-22 Thread Larry Jones
Rick Genter writes:
> 
> You mean point and click applications like WinCVS?

No, I mean real point and click applications.  WinCVS is just a point
and click wrapper around a traditional application.

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Re: OT - Spaces in file and directory names (was: Alias syntax fo r a m odule that has a space in its name)

2005-04-22 Thread Doug Lee
This whole discussion, OT though it might be, reminds me of a recent
discussion of the "proper" way of quoting things (use of backquotes
and apostrophes and such).  I think that discussion was also on
this list, though I thought the outcome was more opposite than
parallel to the outcome of this one.  FWIW, mostly as an amusing
side note.

On Fri, Apr 22, 2005 at 11:39:06AM -0400, Jim.Hyslop wrote:
Bulgrien, Kevin wrote:
> It is easy to tell everyone else what they ought to do in hind-sight.
Nobody's doing that. I clearly acknowledged that *when these applications
were written*, handling spaces was extremely difficult to do. I'm not
denegrating the years of hard work that went into various tools, nor am I
saying we should retrofit all applications.

What I object to is the attitude "spaces in file names are evil," the phrase
that kicked off this (as you correctly pointed out) off-topic discussion.
That attitude is outmoded, and reeks of a calcified mentality that refuses
to accept change.

-- 
Jim Hyslop
Senior Software Designer
Leitch Technology International Inc. ( http://www.leitch.com )
Columnist, C/C++ Users Journal ( http://www.cuj.com/experts )


 


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RE: OT - Spaces in file and directory names (was: Alias syntax fo

2005-04-22 Thread Rick Genter
> -Original Message-
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> To: Jim.Hyslop
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> Subject: Re: OT - Spaces in file and directory names (was: Alias
syntax fo
> 
> Then let me rephrase the attitude: "Funny" characters (like spaces) in
> file names are nice and work well as long as you never use anything
> other than point and click applications, but they will cause you no
end
> of grief if you ever use anything else, so they are best avoided.

You mean point and click applications like WinCVS?

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RE: OT - Spaces in file and directory names (was: Alias syntax fo r a m odule that has a space in its name)

2005-04-22 Thread Jim.Hyslop
Bulgrien, Kevin wrote:
> It is easy to tell everyone else what they ought to do in hind-sight.
Nobody's doing that. I clearly acknowledged that *when these applications
were written*, handling spaces was extremely difficult to do. I'm not
denegrating the years of hard work that went into various tools, nor am I
saying we should retrofit all applications.

What I object to is the attitude "spaces in file names are evil," the phrase
that kicked off this (as you correctly pointed out) off-topic discussion.
That attitude is outmoded, and reeks of a calcified mentality that refuses
to accept change.

-- 
Jim Hyslop
Senior Software Designer
Leitch Technology International Inc. ( http://www.leitch.com )
Columnist, C/C++ Users Journal ( http://www.cuj.com/experts )


 


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RE: OT - Spaces in file and directory names (was: Alias syntax fo r a m odule that has a space in its name)

2005-04-22 Thread Bulgrien, Kevin
It is easy to tell everyone else what they ought to do in hind-sight.

Perhaps the proponents of spaces in file names are primarily users of
GUI tools where a heavy front-end takes care of all the details for
you?  I do not think I should presume to tell everyone who wrote all
of the legacy shell tools that their work is all archaic and obsolete
just because I want spaces in my file names.  When it comes down to
it, almost all of life issues are constrained by practicality and
cost.

Is there a theoretical reason to include spaces?  Sure.  Does it make
sense to rewrite the world of established tools to handle spaces in
file names?  Not really.  Is it really worth losing sleep over?  If I
really thought so, maybe I would go on a permanent sabbatical and make
it my life's work, and would end up contributing almost nothing of
real import to society.  I do not really anticipate anyone in the "for
spaces in file names" camp being willing to put feet to their religion,
but, maybe I am just a skeptic?  Hey, I space-filename-harden my stuff,
but that does not stop me from feeling that life would be a lot easier
without spaces in file names.  A thread like this will not change that
reality.

Why are most fire engines red when it has been shown that that other
nasty yellowish/green color is actually more visible?  ... Because of
a strong historical precedent that wreaks havoc with theoretically
better implementations.


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