Re: [OT] offline mail user and syncing
On Thu, 2011-05-12 at 18:45 +0200, Lars Kristiansen wrote: > Den 10.05.2011 08:30, skrev mayak-cq: > > > hi all, > > > > i have a rather peculiar case involving an offline user, who has no > > possibility of internet given his location (satellite is too > > expensive). > > > > there is power, and he has computer, and there is a "proxy" -- i.e. > > someone who passes once a day in the late afternoon, and picks up a > > usb key and takes it back into town to send contents as e-mails. > > > Hi! > Installing thunderbird on the usb key could do the trick. > Changing online/offline mode. > http://portableapps.com/ > > Regards, Lars lars, duude -- pure magic!!! thanks :-) m Cyrus Home Page: http://www.cyrusimap.org/ List Archives/Info: http://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/pipermail/info-cyrus/
Re: [OT] offline mail user and syncing
Den 10.05.2011 08:30, skrev mayak-cq: hi all, i have a rather peculiar case involving an offline user, who has no possibility of internet given his location (satellite is too expensive). there is power, and he has computer, and there is a "proxy" -- i.e. someone who passes once a day in the late afternoon, and picks up a usb key and takes it back into town to send contents as e-mails. Hi! Installing thunderbird on the usb key could do the trick. Changing online/offline mode. http://portableapps.com/ Regards, Lars ideally, the proxy's computer would somehow sync with the usb disk, as well as the user's. has anyone dealt with something similar? with my sincerest thanks m Cyrus Home Page: http://www.cyrusimap.org/ List Archives/Info: http://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/pipermail/info-cyrus/ Cyrus Home Page: http://www.cyrusimap.org/ List Archives/Info: http://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/pipermail/info-cyrus/
Re: [OT] offline mail user and syncing
On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 01:55:08PM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > Now, just in case it is not as crazy an idea as it sounds: could one use > the replication protocol and a murder cluster to actually have a cyrus > "mobile drone"? Don't worry - I'm listening to the thread, and thinking... Bron. Cyrus Home Page: http://www.cyrusimap.org/ List Archives/Info: http://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/pipermail/info-cyrus/
Re: [OT] offline mail user and syncing
On Tue, 10 May 2011, Andy Bennett wrote: > To bring us back on topic, you'd want to install some kind of MTA that > still understands UUCP and (obviously ;-)) cyrus as the mail store. All good MTAs still interface properly to UUCP support software, and that's when they don't grok BSMTP natively. postfix, exim and sendmail all can do UUCP, in path!bang style even, but also using modern @domain.example.com routing. It works _really_ well. Now, just in case it is not as crazy an idea as it sounds: could one use the replication protocol and a murder cluster to actually have a cyrus "mobile drone"? Wouldn't work in full offline mode, obviously, so it wouldn't be of help to the thread submitter, but still... -- "One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond where the shadows lie." -- The Silicon Valley Tarot Henrique Holschuh Cyrus Home Page: http://www.cyrusimap.org/ List Archives/Info: http://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/pipermail/info-cyrus/
Re: [OT] offline mail user and syncing
Hi, >> i have a rather peculiar case involving an offline user, who has no >> possibility of internet given his location (satellite is too >> expensive). >> there is power, and he has computer, and there is a "proxy" -- i.e. >> someone who passes once a day in the late afternoon, and picks up a >> usb key and takes it back into town to send contents as e-mails. >> ideally, the proxy's computer would somehow sync with the usb disk, as >> well as the user's. >> has anyone dealt with something similar? > > Yes; this is a case for UUCP. If the user is using an inferior > operating system you'll need a second box; all that box has to do is > deliver mail [from the card] to a mailbox that the user can then > download from via POP. The MTA on that box should be able to queue mail > easily enough. > > I'm not away of any client-side store-and-forward solutions for Windows. Yes... with Significant Onetime Outlay Of Effort you could configure something like a Linux plug computer to do this and then just connect it to their computer with an ethernet cable. You'd want a plug computer with USB, ethernet and maybe a pushbutton and controllable LED. To bring us back on topic, you'd want to install some kind of MTA that still understands UUCP and (obviously ;-)) cyrus as the mail store. Regards, @ndy -- andy...@ashurst.eu.org http://www.ashurst.eu.org/ 0x7EBA75FF Cyrus Home Page: http://www.cyrusimap.org/ List Archives/Info: http://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/pipermail/info-cyrus/
Re: [OT] offline mail user and syncing
Hi, >> How about moving a UUCP spool on the USB stick? ;-) >> >> You could use something like rsync on "incoming" and "outgoing" folder. >> Is it just for eMail? What format are the messages in? > > hi andy, > > the user is running windows, and has a preference for using lookout. i > suppose that i could ask that he run thunderbird instead -- lookout uses > a single file pst, so concurrency is really difficult unless the pst > file is not the main/default one. at least thunderbird uses file based > message store, but alas, windblows doesn't run rsync (iirc). > > maybe a secondary pst is the solution ... user would have drag all the > contents from secondary pst to primary pst. whatta drag! Interesting! What happens when the proxy delivers the stick to the "place with The Internet"? I initially assumed that this system was already somehow in place, but perhaps it is not? Is it just currently used for non-eMail things? Is the intention to copy the pst, or mail folders or whatever onto the USB stick and then open up another copy of Thunderbird on the other end and cause all the sending to happen? In my copy of Thunderbird I can right click on "Local Folders" and I get an options screen that allows my to specify the "Local directory". It strikes me that you could copy this folder to the USB stick or just make it live entirely on the USB stick. In the former case you'd have to ensure that Thunderbird was closed before you moved / copied the folder and in the latter case you'd have to ensure that you didn't open Thunderbird whilst the USB stick was out on its travels. To do the copy you could just use the inbuilt copying tools. Either a batch file with xcopy or some such or just using the UI to test it. Regards, @ndy -- andy...@ashurst.eu.org http://www.ashurst.eu.org/ 0x7EBA75FF Cyrus Home Page: http://www.cyrusimap.org/ List Archives/Info: http://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/pipermail/info-cyrus/
Re: [OT] offline mail user and syncing
On Tue, 2011-05-10 at 06:28 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > On Tue, 2011-05-10 at 11:56 +0200, mayak-cq wrote: > > On Tue, 2011-05-10 at 09:34 +0100, Andy Bennett wrote: > > > > i have a rather peculiar case involving an offline user, who has no > > > > possibility of internet given his location (satellite is too expensive). > > > > there is power, and he has computer, and there is a "proxy" -- i.e. > > > > someone who passes once a day in the late afternoon, and picks up a usb > > > > key and takes it back into town to send contents as e-mails. > > > > ideally, the proxy's computer would somehow sync with the usb disk, as > > > > well as the user's. > > > > has anyone dealt with something similar? > > > > with my sincerest thanks > > > How about moving a UUCP spool on the USB stick? ;-) > > > You could use something like rsync on "incoming" and "outgoing" folder. > > > Is it just for eMail? What format are the messages in? > > the user is running windows, and has a preference for using lookout. i > > suppose that i could ask that he run thunderbird instead -- lookout > > uses a single file pst, so concurrency is really difficult unless the > > pst file is not the main/default one. at least thunderbird uses file > > based message store, but alas, windblows doesn't run rsync (iirc). > > maybe a secondary pst is the solution ... user would have drag all the > > contents from secondary pst to primary pst. whatta drag! > > rsync is useless for this use-case. The PST is just a single binary > BLOB. I don't believe it would solve the issue for TB either; just > swapping out file contents underneath applications leads to an entire > host of issues [cache coherency, etc...]. > > You need to find an 'intelligent' solution; such as UUCP > store-and-forward that 'understands' the message level unit-of-work. thanks everyone for the help :-) regrettably, both the proxy and the user are technically weak, and are only windows fluent. i'm going to take a look at some connectors (bynari and so forth) to see if i can "sync" the message store to the usb disk. if it works, it would be more simplistic and clean. my thought about thunderbird and rsync may be possible as well -- thunderbird stores messages in files and would therefore be a candidate for rsync ... will report back thanks m Cyrus Home Page: http://www.cyrusimap.org/ List Archives/Info: http://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/pipermail/info-cyrus/
Re: [OT] offline mail user and syncing
On Tue, 2011-05-10 at 11:56 +0200, mayak-cq wrote: > On Tue, 2011-05-10 at 09:34 +0100, Andy Bennett wrote: > > > i have a rather peculiar case involving an offline user, who has no > > > possibility of internet given his location (satellite is too expensive). > > > there is power, and he has computer, and there is a "proxy" -- i.e. > > > someone who passes once a day in the late afternoon, and picks up a usb > > > key and takes it back into town to send contents as e-mails. > > > ideally, the proxy's computer would somehow sync with the usb disk, as > > > well as the user's. > > > has anyone dealt with something similar? > > > with my sincerest thanks > > How about moving a UUCP spool on the USB stick? ;-) > > You could use something like rsync on "incoming" and "outgoing" folder. > > Is it just for eMail? What format are the messages in? > the user is running windows, and has a preference for using lookout. i > suppose that i could ask that he run thunderbird instead -- lookout > uses a single file pst, so concurrency is really difficult unless the > pst file is not the main/default one. at least thunderbird uses file > based message store, but alas, windblows doesn't run rsync (iirc). > maybe a secondary pst is the solution ... user would have drag all the > contents from secondary pst to primary pst. whatta drag! rsync is useless for this use-case. The PST is just a single binary BLOB. I don't believe it would solve the issue for TB either; just swapping out file contents underneath applications leads to an entire host of issues [cache coherency, etc...]. You need to find an 'intelligent' solution; such as UUCP store-and-forward that 'understands' the message level unit-of-work. Cyrus Home Page: http://www.cyrusimap.org/ List Archives/Info: http://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/pipermail/info-cyrus/
Re: [OT] offline mail user and syncing
On Tue, 2011-05-10 at 08:30 +0200, mayak-cq wrote: > hi all, > i have a rather peculiar case involving an offline user, who has no > possibility of internet given his location (satellite is too > expensive). > there is power, and he has computer, and there is a "proxy" -- i.e. > someone who passes once a day in the late afternoon, and picks up a > usb key and takes it back into town to send contents as e-mails. > ideally, the proxy's computer would somehow sync with the usb disk, as > well as the user's. > has anyone dealt with something similar? Yes; this is a case for UUCP. If the user is using an inferior operating system you'll need a second box; all that box has to do is deliver mail [from the card] to a mailbox that the user can then download from via POP. The MTA on that box should be able to queue mail easily enough. I'm not away of any client-side store-and-forward solutions for Windows. Cyrus Home Page: http://www.cyrusimap.org/ List Archives/Info: http://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/pipermail/info-cyrus/
Re: [OT] offline mail user and syncing
On 10/05/2011, at 19:26, mayak-cq wrote: > the user is running windows, and has a preference for using lookout. i > suppose that i could ask that he run thunderbird instead -- lookout uses a > single file pst, so concurrency is really difficult unless the pst file is > not the main/default one. at least thunderbird uses file based message store, > but alas, windblows doesn't run rsync (iirc). There are ports of rsync to Windows (eg cwrsync). -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 5596 B766 97C0 0E94 4347 295E E593 DC20 7B3F CE8C Cyrus Home Page: http://www.cyrusimap.org/ List Archives/Info: http://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/pipermail/info-cyrus/
Re: [OT] offline mail user and syncing
On Tue, 2011-05-10 at 09:34 +0100, Andy Bennett wrote: > Hi, > > > i have a rather peculiar case involving an offline user, who has no > > possibility of internet given his location (satellite is too expensive). > > > > there is power, and he has computer, and there is a "proxy" -- i.e. > > someone who passes once a day in the late afternoon, and picks up a usb > > key and takes it back into town to send contents as e-mails. > > > > ideally, the proxy's computer would somehow sync with the usb disk, as > > well as the user's. > > > > has anyone dealt with something similar? > > > > with my sincerest thanks > > How about moving a UUCP spool on the USB stick? ;-) > > You could use something like rsync on "incoming" and "outgoing" folder. > Is it just for eMail? What format are the messages in? hi andy, the user is running windows, and has a preference for using lookout. i suppose that i could ask that he run thunderbird instead -- lookout uses a single file pst, so concurrency is really difficult unless the pst file is not the main/default one. at least thunderbird uses file based message store, but alas, windblows doesn't run rsync (iirc). maybe a secondary pst is the solution ... user would have drag all the contents from secondary pst to primary pst. whatta drag! thanks m Cyrus Home Page: http://www.cyrusimap.org/ List Archives/Info: http://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/pipermail/info-cyrus/
Re: [OT] offline mail user and syncing
Hi, > i have a rather peculiar case involving an offline user, who has no > possibility of internet given his location (satellite is too expensive). > > there is power, and he has computer, and there is a "proxy" -- i.e. > someone who passes once a day in the late afternoon, and picks up a usb > key and takes it back into town to send contents as e-mails. > > ideally, the proxy's computer would somehow sync with the usb disk, as > well as the user's. > > has anyone dealt with something similar? > > with my sincerest thanks How about moving a UUCP spool on the USB stick? ;-) You could use something like rsync on "incoming" and "outgoing" folder. Is it just for eMail? What format are the messages in? Regards, @ndy -- andy...@ashurst.eu.org http://www.ashurst.eu.org/ 0x7EBA75FF Cyrus Home Page: http://www.cyrusimap.org/ List Archives/Info: http://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/pipermail/info-cyrus/
[OT] offline mail user and syncing
hi all, i have a rather peculiar case involving an offline user, who has no possibility of internet given his location (satellite is too expensive). there is power, and he has computer, and there is a "proxy" -- i.e. someone who passes once a day in the late afternoon, and picks up a usb key and takes it back into town to send contents as e-mails. ideally, the proxy's computer would somehow sync with the usb disk, as well as the user's. has anyone dealt with something similar? with my sincerest thanks m Cyrus Home Page: http://www.cyrusimap.org/ List Archives/Info: http://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/pipermail/info-cyrus/
