Re: EasyPG versus Mailcrypt in Emacs 23

2011-01-19 Thread Philipp Haselwarter
What are they good for?


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Philipp Haselwarter


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citation line above or below body?

2011-01-19 Thread Eric Abrahamsen
When I reply to messages and cite the original, point ends up below the
citation line. This leads to weird threads, where my text ends up right
below the "so-and-so wrote:" line, and other people's mail programs
don't seem to do it that way. My message-citation-line-function is
currently set to message-insert-formatted-citation-line, and I know that
I could simply write my own citation function, but my question is: why
is it like this, and will I be breaking anything if I "fix" it?

Thanks,
Eric


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Re: read mail in mbox files

2011-01-19 Thread Richard Riley
Richard Riley  writes:

> gnus-update-message-archive-method was set to t but this does
> not alter the archive methods in the newsrc if you alter something like
> nnml-directory. I removed the offending parts of the .newsrc.eld by hand
> (always hairy) and now have it all "clean as a whistle".
>
> Oh yes, one other typo cause an issue : nndraft-directory works better
> than nndrafts-directory ... ;)


I spoke too soon. drafts are now defaulting to
~/.emacs.d/drafts/drafts

I removed any nndraft parts of my .newsrc.eld and have 

  (setq nndraft-directory "~/Mail")

in my init. Scuppered once again. Any ideas welcome.




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Re: read mail in mbox files

2011-01-19 Thread Richard Riley
Richard Riley  writes:

> a...@koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) writes:
>
>> On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 19:29:36 +0100, Richard wrote:
>>
>>> a...@koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) writes:
 On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 18:46:44 +0100, Richard wrote:
>>
>>> So what format? Maildir?
>>
>> No, that would be nnmaildir.
>>
> nnmaildir is a format? I thought it was a back end that fed on Maildir?
> Possibly silly wording issues only. I dont know at times.
>>
 Yes, the backend that uses the Maildir format is nnmaildir; that was
 what I was trying to say.
>>
>>> So the format *was* Maildir.
>>
>> The format of what? The format used by nnml is surely is not Maildir. If
>> you want to access something in the Maildir format, you should use
>> nnmaildir. Which is what I was trying to say, and what I - frankly -
>> thought we agreed on. I guess not.
>
> Aha : that was a misread. I thought you were offering nnmaildir as
> another option.
>
 You must have configured something else to point to ~/.emacs.d/Mail.
 Perhaps your archive method?
>>
 I think you are staring at one thing in your configuration and ignoring
 all the other stuff, which might actually the cause of what you are
 seeing :-)
>>
>>> What you see is there is my nnml config. I have nothing else.
>>
>> You could be missing something ;-)
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>> Nothing else nnml in my init.el or my custom.el.
>>
>> So nothing in your entire Emacs configuration mentions ~/.emacs.d/ or
>> ~/.emacs.d/Mail?
>>
>
> Nothing with regard to nnml ...
>
> Maybe I am being overly optimistic to think that setting nnml-directory
> to ~/Mail is enough to ensure that nnml is in , err, ~/Mail ;)
>
> When its working perfectly I'll come back ..
>

problem solved.

gnus-message-archive-method was, as documented, expanded into real
methods in the .newsrc.eld.

gnus-update-message-archive-method was set to t but this does
not alter the archive methods in the newsrc if you alter something like
nnml-directory. I removed the offending parts of the .newsrc.eld by hand
(always hairy) and now have it all "clean as a whistle".

Oh yes, one other typo cause an issue : nndraft-directory works better
than nndrafts-directory ... ;)

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Re: read mail in mbox files

2011-01-19 Thread Richard Riley
Glyn Millington  writes:

> Richard Riley  writes:
>
>> Glyn Millington  writes:
>>
>>> Richard Riley  writes:
>>>
 a...@koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) writes:

> On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 15:51:54 +0100, Richard wrote:
>
>> Why is this a "spool" directory?
>
>> The word "spool" is throwing me. I thought "spool" meant it was
>> spooled to you and then stored in a backend .. like nnml.
> A "(news)spool" in news-related terms is usually where the
> articles are stored in a newsserver (the meaning used here).  A
> mail-spool is usually where mail is stored locally until the user
> fetches it (/var/mail or /var/spool/mail).  In the documentation
> nnml is described as the backend that most closely resembles a
> newsspool, so that is probably where the choice of word comes
> from. And perhaps also some of the confusion.
 I think in the context it's incorrect but wouldnt put my mortgage
 on it ...
 nnml-directory is not a spool really : the var/spool source is.
 And checking values now, I see, and amazingly confusing, that
 , | Its value is "~/.emacs.d/Mail/archive" `
 How I dont know as I set
 (setq nnml-directory "~/Mail")
 bah ;) I need to start all over again ...
>>> Hi Richard,
>>> Here's a snip from my .gnus file.  It may be totally irrelevant,
>>> becasue I have een smewhat confused by this discussion!! - but it
>>> may help ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --8<---cut here---start->8---
>>> ;, ;| MAIL SETTINGS AND MAIL SORTING
>>> - ;`
>>> ; nnml is, as you know a mail backend - the nnml (I wonder if nnml
>>> stand ; for Not NorMaL) format is what results when gnus grabs mail
>>> from the ; two mail sources below. I use getmail to dump all my mail
>>> into ; /home/glyn/Mail/inbox; system mail goes to
>>> /var/spool/mail/glyn.  gnus ; grabs mail from both sources, I assume
>>> transmogrifies it by elisp-magic ; into nnml format, and then shoves
>>> it through my fancy-splitting ; set-up. (Just a fraction of that
>>> here!) I read the mail from the groups ; created by the fancy
>>> splitting - SLACKLIST, FREEBSD, FVWM etc etc
>>> (setq gnus-secondary-select-methods '((nnml "")) mail-sources
>>> ((file :path "/home/glyn/Mail/inbox") (file :path
>>> "/var/spool/mail/glyn")))
>>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for the examples. its amazing how many different ways people
>> get this going.
>>
>> My "dummy" question of the minute here is:-
>>
>> mail-sources : how does nnml know its got control of them? What about
>> other mail backends?
>
> I don't use any other mail backends.  Are you wanting to use more than
> one?  
>

I do : nnml and nnimap.

Maybe not a good idea. But somehow, in a galaxy far far away, I was
under the impression that  nnml was the easiest way to get local system
email (root/cron jobs etc). The rest I sync with gmail via offlineimap.

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Re: problem following up to this very mailing list

2011-01-19 Thread Leonidas Tsampros
Rud1ger Sch1erz  writes:

> Leonidas Tsampros  writes:
>
>> I have never faced the problem described in the subject again. Generally
>> doing a followup and yank (F) or wide reply and yank (S W) works for all
>> of the other mailing lists and groups I'm subscribed to.
>
> I experience the same problem as you. I wonder why nobody else is
> complaining. This list seems not to set the reply-to header to
> info-gnus-english@gnu.org. So there is just the from-address of the
> author. Thus followup or reply just uses the address of the author
> instead of info-gnus-english@gnu.org.

Thanks! Nice to know that I'm not alone in this. IMHO, I don't think
that this is a problem of the list, although your observation regarding
the Reply-to (it's optional, right?) header is probably correct.

I'm thinking that maybe we have something common in our setup that
changes/mangles the follow up behavior for this specific group. For
example I have a couple of other imap groups for which I receive mail
with no Reply-to header, and F works just fine (wide reply + yank). It's
only this group that I have the problem with.

>
> I fixed this for me using the posting styles.
>
> As I check for a couple of different email ids, I've defined this
> function to determine to-from context:
>
> (defun  is-about-email-id-p ( is-about-pattern)
>   "used in gnus-posting-style, check if it's about `pattern' email"
>   (save-excursion
> (when (message-mail-p)
>   (when (get-buffer gnus-article-buffer)
> (set-buffer gnus-article-buffer)
> (let ((toheader (message-fetch-field "to")))
>   (let ((fromheader (message-fetch-field "from")))
> (or (and toheader (string-match is-about-pattern toheader))
> (and fromheader (string-match is-about-pattern 
> fromheader)))
> ))
>
> Which I then use in gnus-posting-styles to determine
> info-gnus-english@gnu.org:
>
> ((is-about-email-id-p "info-gnus-english@gnu\.org")
>  (to "info-gnus-english@gnu\.org")
>  (name "Rud1ger Sch1erz")
>  (address "nospam_ti...@yahoo.es")
>  (organization "Joe Cool's Data Club")
>  )
>
> HTH,
> Rudiger
>
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