Re: nnir with notmuch gives error; sort: Wrong type argument: number-or-marker-p, nil

2020-03-12 Thread Eric Abrahamsen
physiculus  writes:

> Hello,
> if i try to use search with notmuch my nnmaildir, i get the error above.
> here are the lines from messages:
> Opening nnir server on nnir-ephemeral...done
> Retrieving newsgroup: nnir:nnir-877dzp783m.fsf...
> Doing notmuch query Hock...
> notmuch args: search --format=text --output=files Hock
> Massaging notmuch output...done
> Fetching headers for nnir:nnir-877dzp783m.fsf...
> sort: Wrong type argument: number-or-marker-p, nil

Can you run M-x toggle-debug-on-error, then trigger this error again,
and send the backtrace to the list?

Thanks,
Eric


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nnir with notmuch gives error; sort: Wrong type argument: number-or-marker-p, nil

2020-03-12 Thread physiculus
Hello,
if i try to use search with notmuch my nnmaildir, i get the error above.
here are the lines from messages:
Opening nnir server on nnir-ephemeral...done
Retrieving newsgroup: nnir:nnir-877dzp783m.fsf...
Doing notmuch query Hock...
notmuch args: search --format=text --output=files Hock
Massaging notmuch output...done
Fetching headers for nnir:nnir-877dzp783m.fsf...
sort: Wrong type argument: number-or-marker-p, nil

Same command in terminal works, as far as i understood. But i dont know,
if the lines are in correct format for gnus.
Perhaps anyone knows more about searching with notmuch inside gnus.

notmuch search --format=text --output=files hock
/home/held/Maildirnm/Privat/cur/1584002263.M785296P11519Q0.kubuntu:2,S
/home/held/Maildirnm/Privat/cur/1584001757.M962421P11519Q0.kubuntu:2,
/home/held/Maildirnm/Privat/cur/1584001970.M953224P11519Q0.kubuntu:2,
/home/held/Maildirnm/Privat/cur/1584002264.M177070P11519Q0.kubuntu:2,S
/home/held/Maildirnm/Privat/cur/1584002264.M570398P11519Q1.kubuntu:2,S
/home/held/Maildirnm/karlderletzte/INBOX/cur/1554399542.4634_1560.shinri,U=651:2,S
/home/held/Maildirnm/karlderletzte/Sent/cur/1554294583.6ad7d1c538e8c734.shinri:2,,U=22:2,S!2,S


Regards
Poul

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Re: Gnus notification of replies to my articles

2020-03-12 Thread Eric S Fraga
On Thursday, 12 Mar 2020 at 15:57, Richmond wrote:
> Did you post the above on the news server? It seems to be a one-way
> gateway, although there is no obvious indication of that. I have cut and
> pasted the above into email.

I did.  It is indeed one-way.  I usually read using nntp...

> I checked the group nntp+news.gmane.io:gmane.emacs.gnus.general and
> there is a post four days ago. I wasn't subscribed to it, but I am now.

Interesting.  My gnus showed last posting back in February.

It would be helpful if Lars could jump in and clarify the situation with
nntp and the gnus mailing list/groups...

And maybe also why the gateway changes the message ID (going back to the
original problem ;-)).

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Re: Gnus notification of replies to my articles

2020-03-12 Thread Richmond
Eric S Fraga  writes:

> On Thursday, 12 Mar 2020 at 12:59, Richmond wrote:
>> OK I am sending this by email to the mailing list, and I have set a
>> message-id on it which will be something like
>> *richmond.this-is-a-message-id.example.com but I am expecting that
>> this
>> message id will be replaced with one from the mail system like
>> mailman.2516.1584004990.2412.info-gnus-engl...@gnu.org, but you won't
>> see that if you look at it in email I think, only if you look at the
>> news server at news.gnus.org. On there the original message-id will
>> be
>> copied into references.
>
> You are correct.  Sorry about that.  I am surprised that the news
> server
> changes the reference.  Must be due to the gateway functionality
> between
> the mailing list and the news server?
>
> On a related note, is gmane.emacs.gnus.general no longer the place to
> read gnus related news items if you prefer nntp to email?  Although it
> is meant to be gatewayed (sic) with the ding mailing list, that gmane
> newsgroup hasn't been updated in several weeks.  The gnu.emacs.gnus
> group on news.gnus.org seems up to date, however.
>
> I was not aware of news.gnus.org until your post here.

Did you post the above on the news server? It seems to be a one-way
gateway, although there is no obvious indication of that. I have cut and
pasted the above into email.

I checked the group nntp+news.gmane.io:gmane.emacs.gnus.general and
there is a post four days ago. I wasn't subscribed to it, but I am now.

With gmane it used to be that you had to register your email with the
mailing list, then you could post with the same email on nntp, but I
don't know what the arrangement is here, I haven't tried that hard to
find out, just instead muddled through.

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Re: Gnus notification of replies to my articles

2020-03-12 Thread Richmond
Eric S Fraga  writes:

> On Thursday, 12 Mar 2020 at 09:23, Richmond wrote:
>> OK so the message-id I set (*richmond.example.com) was moved from
>> message-id to references, which breaks the thread on the news
>> server. But seems to work ok for email.
>
> I am not sure I understand what you are saying here.
>
> When you write an email (or post a news item), that email has a
> particular message ID.  If somebody responds to it, the original message
> ID goes into the references header and the response has its own message
> ID.  This provides a link between emails.

OK I am sending this by email to the mailing list, and I have set a
message-id on it which will be something like
*richmond.this-is-a-message-id.example.com but I am expecting that this
message id will be replaced with one from the mail system like
mailman.2516.1584004990.2412.info-gnus-engl...@gnu.org, but you won't
see that if you look at it in email I think, only if you look at the
news server at news.gnus.org. On there the original message-id will be
copied into references.

Time will tell...

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Re: Gnus notification of replies to my articles

2020-03-12 Thread Eric S Fraga
On Thursday, 12 Mar 2020 at 09:23, Richmond wrote:
> OK so the message-id I set (*richmond.example.com) was moved from
> message-id to references, which breaks the thread on the news
> server. But seems to work ok for email.

I am not sure I understand what you are saying here.

When you write an email (or post a news item), that email has a
particular message ID.  If somebody responds to it, the original message
ID goes into the references header and the response has its own message
ID.  This provides a link between emails.


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Re: Gnus notification of replies to my articles

2020-03-12 Thread Richmond
Richmond  writes:

> Something wasn't quite right, because when looking at the news server,
> and I pressed ^ from your article, it did not find my article. I have
> complicated things by using different instances of gnus for email and
> news. So when I use this email instance and did the same thing, it did
> find the article.
>
> So this post is by email and I have tried to set a message-id...
>

OK so the message-id I set (*richmond.example.com) was moved from
message-id to references, which breaks the thread on the news
server. But seems to work ok for email.

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Re: Gnus notification of replies to my articles

2020-03-12 Thread Eric S Fraga
On Thursday, 12 Mar 2020 at 09:16, Richmond wrote:
> So this post is by email and I have tried to set a message-id...

Hope this works...

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Re: Gnus notification of replies to my articles

2020-03-12 Thread Richmond
Eric S Fraga  writes:

> On Wednesday, 11 Mar 2020 at 20:09, Richmond wrote:
>>> Thanks. This seems complicated by mailing lists. I have changed the
>>> message id to something more recognisable, but I am not sure if I can
>>> post here through the news server...
>>
>> Well it looks like it didn't, so this is going through email...
>
> Mailing lists, or at least this one, do not touch the message id
> header.  In my experience, although the message-id may not be truly
> unique, when I used the references scoring option, it worked well.  Try
> with a reasonable regex for your typical message id and see if it works
> generally before worrying about having to make it unique?

Something wasn't quite right, because when looking at the news server,
and I pressed ^ from your article, it did not find my article. I have
complicated things by using different instances of gnus for email and
news. So when I use this email instance and did the same thing, it did
find the article.

So this post is by email and I have tried to set a message-id...


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