Re: [OT] does gmane still allow nntp posting?
Where do you report it to, my authorize emails don't work at the moment, too. Adam Sjøgren writes: > Robert writes: > >> Is it still possible to post to mailing lists through gmane? Or is it >> just for mailing list archival now? Thanks! > > It is possible, although some people are reporting problems with > responding to the TMDA emails. > > Feel free to try in gmane.test > > > Best regards, > > Adam, who is sending this through news.gmane.org ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: overwriting c catchup shortcut in Group buffer
so a few days I found out what the problem was, I have activated topic-mode that shadows the gnus-group-mode-map and I had to override the gnus-topic-mode-map instead: (define-key gnus-topic-mode-map (kbd "c") 'previous-line) ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: overwriting c catchup shortcut in Group buffer
Emanuel Berg writes: > but only if you were to change this frequently, which > of course can be the case. fly-keys is a modal mode you have a key to activate it and one to deactivate it, in other modes you can type the letter c as example, and in command mode you use it for previous-line. So I think there is your frequent change? > It works for me, so perhaps your mode, whatever it is, > resets the keymap after that? ok then I add that to the bugtracker to the author or fly-keys, just wondered why it did work for Summary mode so I thought I just picked the wrong hook map. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: overwriting c catchup shortcut in Group buffer
Emanuel Berg writes: > Stefan Huchler writes: > >> (progn >> (defun spiderbit-gnus-group-prepare-setup () >> "for `gnus-group-prepare'." >> (local-set-key (kbd "c") 'previous-line) >> (local-set-key (kbd "t") 'next-line) >> (local-set-key (kbd "h") 'backward-char) >> (local-set-key (kbd "n") 'forward-char)) >> (add-hook 'gnus-group-prepare-hook >> 'spiderbit-gnus-group-prepare-setup)) > > Do you have a `progn' here in order to be able to > evaluate it all at once? Otherwise you don't need it. I am using the package here: https://github.com/xahlee/xah-fly-keys the author told me that he handles mode specific overwrites in that file: https://github.com/xahlee/xah-fly-keys/blob/master/xah-fly-keys-mode-specific.el he used there much progn so I did the same, no special choice from me. >> gnus-group-prepare-hook >> gnus-group-menu-hook >> gnus-group-mode-hook > > Try without using hooks: > > (require 'gnus-group) > (define-key gnus-group-mode-map "h" 'backward-char) > ;; (define-key ... I did try it this way did not work too: I added your suggested blog to this mode specific file mentioned above and evaluated it. (progn (require 'gnus-group) (define-key gnus-group-mode-map (kbd "c") 'previous-line) (define-key gnus-group-mode-map (kbd "t") 'next-line) (define-key gnus-group-mode-map (kbd "h") 'backward-char) (define-key gnus-group-mode-map (kbd "n") 'forward-char) ) ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
overwriting c catchup shortcut in Group buffer
I try to overwrite the gnus group buffer with some keyboard-shortcuts, but I dont find the right hook or method to do so. I want to use direction keys on my home-row instead of the emacs C-f standard keys or the normal arrow keys and in dvorak the 4 logical keys under 8 on the right side are c/h/t/n. (progn (defun spiderbit-gnus-group-prepare-setup () "for `gnus-group-prepare'." (local-set-key (kbd "c") 'previous-line) (local-set-key (kbd "t") 'next-line) (local-set-key (kbd "h") 'backward-char) (local-set-key (kbd "n") 'forward-char)) (add-hook 'gnus-group-prepare-hook 'spiderbit-gnus-group-prepare-setup)) it worked well with the summary buffer with this hook: 'gnus-summary-mode-hook but in the Group buffer I cant find the right hook I tried this 3: 'gnus-group-prepare-hook 'gnus-group-menu-hook 'gnus-group-mode-hook I cant get gnus stop calling the catchup command instead previous-line. Thanks for your help in advance. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
own webbased newsgroup types
I try to write own Group types for some web sites. But I cant make any sense of old source parts. I am no big lisp developer yet, but I dont find with google or emacshelp anything about one thing. (let ((last (car (last articles))) (did nil) I have no idea what this "did" thing is supposed to be found it here: Http://www.opensource.apple.com/source/emacs/emacs-51/emacs/lisp/gnus/nnslashdot.el and here: http://www.mit.edu/~mkgray/stuff/ath/afs/oldfiles/project/silk/root/afs/athena.mit.edu/contrib/xemacs/share/2005-12-08/xemacs-packages/lisp/gnus/nnultimate.el ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: adapt in SCORE file does not work logicaly
Emanuel Berg writes: > I.e, say some guy posts 100 posts, 10 are flame war > posts, 10 are "1+" or "Me too" posts, but the 80 that > remains are not bad at all. Here, I would like Gnus to > only show the good posts. That is probably a > non-trivial task to do, and it wouldn't be perfect, > but I think it could be pretty good given some time > for adjustments. There is a lot of material to train > on so it could be a cool project in many ways :) Hmm you can also Lower by Body substring or regex, so you should be able to lower the scores by what u want. L b s p (Lower body substring permanent) or instead of s I think r for regex. I don't really know what u miss you should be able to make very good filters. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: adapt in SCORE file does not work logicaly
btw scoring is better than killing and what u do, because u have no 0-1 switch but u can have different levels of output quality filters, as example hide thhreads that fall into several fitlers and have a really bad (low) value, u could even sort by value and see the one u are interested most first and so on. I am just tired to hit 50 times a day L s s p and L a e p (author exact permanenct) for every video, when I know it could happen more or less automaticly or by pressing only k for everthing I dont like. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: adapt in SCORE file does not work logicaly
lol scoring itself is pretty easy, most of the time I use it for youtube rss "posts" so maybe its a bit differnt for me, but u just press L for lower then s for subject then s for substring then p for permanent then u choose the substring u want to lower in subjects or select cut out the substring enter done. how much it lowers the score I think there is some default but u can set it, and u can set when messages get automaticly greyed out or hidden completly or something like that. The problem I have is not about scoring, its about ADAPTIVE scoring, so that it automaticly get lowered or increased score values when u read it or kill it or catchup to it etc. and I even understand how that works in theory, I just dont want to use it for every group but only one. Hope that helped YOU and that somebody helps ME, now :) ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
adapt in SCORE file does not work logicaly
the adapt variable in score files which u can set to ignore/nil/t works as far as I understand it as a group specific version of gnus-use-adaptive-scoring which is the global version of it, right? So u can activate gnus-use-adaptive-scoring globaly and with adapt=ignore dont use adaptive scoring for this group, and the other way around. So far that makes much sense to me, but score does not allow the value word or (word). So 1. question: how can I do activate word based adaptive scoring for one group? 2. question: it would be logical to either allow the value (word) there. Do I have to quote it somehow or something? If I press 2 in gnus-score-customize on the score value menu which stands for lisp expression, it just ignores it, it does not ask me for a lisp expression. thx for an answer! ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: What happened to nnslashdot and nnultimate
a...@koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) writes: > I would guess interest faded. for forums there exist tapatalk so some people are still interested in not using garbage browsers for such tasks, even a company probably earns much money with that software. > Cool! It sounds really easy, when you put it like that. Have you started > working on this module yet? You seem really keen on it. Be sure to share > it with the world, when you've got it working! So u critisize me for trolling, then u troll 10 times more than I do, that makes sense. > It is also a good method to get people to dismiss you as a kook. see last sentence thats true for u then too. > Nobody wanted to do that for the bitrotten modules you so long for. > > It is no more complicated than that, really. > So u KNOW that? or u just GUESS GUESS GUESS around wildly or did u read every forum posts on taht topic did u scan the internet for every newsreader and other stuff? I know and admit happily that I dont know all, so I ask if somebody else knows something, I learned u dont know anything about my topic, good for u if nobody else answers in 2-3 days, ok there is maybe really no solution except doing something for myself or live with it. But because I use gnus sinse a few months and maybe emacs since a year, I ask here because I thought thats the point of this forums for people to ask stuff. aka get support. BTW I did never tell somebody to develop it for me or something else, I just tried to get answers to facts that make no sense to me, again it makes no sense to remove a big feature without a good reason from a software. So maybe somebody else then u that dont have to guess why that is stumbles over this post and gives a real answer. > > Well, the number of people who were willing to do the work to keep those > two backends working was zero. So u know that for a fact? u are a gnus developer? > > I have been known to throw trolls a bad apple or two. Like now. so when I troll I am a troll and when u troll u throw apples ok. > And what are you doing about it? First I check if somebody else solved this problem before because I am not stupid and dont want to reinvent the wheel again and again. > Why do you find that odd? Show me some software that never has > regressions. But they have regression mostly out of a mistake, they dont explizitly commit regressions most of the time. > > Oh, and what browser might that be? eww: http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/eww ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: What happened to nnslashdot and nnultimate
a...@koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) writes: > > Webscraping forum-sites is a lot of work, as you have to keep up with > every little change. yes but they did it in the past, was it at that point in time easier? > The websites that are making money on advertising probably don't have > much incentive to not break access methods that effectively bypass their > income. yes so conzentrate first on the pages who arent owned by unmoralic companies, I guess slashdot could be such site, and also something like phoronix.com should be stable enough taht not all 2 days web interface change. that does not work against addblocks too, so thats no real answer if they cant hinder the 90% people which use adblocks they will not care about the 1% emacs users. And another thing I get that nobody takes the time to support 100 differently random sites, that change here and there, but as example with wordpress blog feature u would have one module for 99% of the blogs so u had to support only one modul. Or some forum types I would even have a use case for MyBB Forums, such software does only get a patch every 1000 years so it would be also easy to support and u would support thousends of sites with one modul. > Oh, and people who use such systems are probably not the most > forgiving/grateful people you can find. I suspect they are likely to > bitch and moan, rather than do some work to solve the problem > themselves. Sorry dont take a bit of trolling from me personal, its just a good technic to get some reactions / answers. And also to release some frustration this garbage browsers generate onto everybody. > 99% of the net population think it is good enough/don't care? Most of the time there are no alternatives, so they only have the choice to not write in forums or use that web ui, or do u have some data that shows that people are happy or dont care about that issue, that some people that are no developers what should be 90% dont do something about it, doesnt mean they dont care about it, they just dont care so much about it that they make a diploma in computer science or at least invest 100 hours to learn the skills to do that, if not more. > Someone recently suggested that apps were nice for corporations like > that because you can do anything with the users data, where browsers > have at least some amount of user-centric protection. Hmm, still both exists, facebook webinterface for mobile and the app same with twitter, so not evil companies forced their users to use these apps, the users like it better. So they do care, at least enough to install and setup apps 10 minutes. But if u messure how much users care, u should maybe shut down gnus too, because 99% of the users dont care about gnus. Or emacs, 99% of the people wordwide dont use emacs. its not always a question of the quantity, also about the quality. > I can speculate on why they were removed, if you really want: The code > did not work anymore, and nobody was interested enough in the > functionality to step up and fix it. I just cant belive that all my problems are special to me, we have 7 Billion people on the world, so am I really the only person with that problem. Like u said tapatalk is proprietary and facebook app too so its no real option, and u have the problem not fully solved too, because each apps works slithly different. > Maybe people interested in slashdot comments are more interested in > ranting than doing work fixing code? Lol normaly I dont use slashdot, it seemed to me only the most common news site for technical people, and there was a backend. > Maybe the answer is to spend the time doing something else? :-) Maybe not, do u not comment on political stuff never when somebody trolls u dont answer to him? :) I just dont see mailing lists a complete replacement for news sites. But if you say taht gnus users only use mailing lists and never open news sites and never comment on youtube videos, I search on gwene or gmane if I found there some newsgroups where I can answer to current news and try to use them. just looked again u cant answer to newsticker mailing lists... from gwene or gmene, so we are back to tv time where u only get oneway brain washing tv without possibility to argue against it, so that others have achange to read the througth. > Best regards, > Stefan p.s. I just find it odd that gnus has regressions, is it a dying project taht each day has less users or do people nowadays not do such stuff that they could do in the past with gnus with another newsreader, or did they all quit using emacs? at least we get now in emacs 24.4 a modern textbased browser maybe with that some forum modules re appear. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: What happened to nnslashdot and nnultimate
ok u answered my quetion literaly. But the question behind my question is, what else like that is there, and if nothing is there why. Why would people want to use this horrific forums of websites which are not consistent at all? So either u comment on nothing as example a youtube video or a news on a german news site, or u have to use this horrific slow website interfaces with horrible mouse-only guis. Even on smartphones u have software like tapatalk becuase browser suck on mobile even more than on a big screen. Even websites like facebook and twitter use non-browser-interfaces because they know that webinterface is broken. Its so retarded to buy 10 ssds 50gb ram and quadcore computers for what to fire the 50 open tabs in the browser. Its just the ugliest, incosistent, slowest, dumbest, resource-eating idea to render newsgroups or stuff like that (forums) with html. If it were only that it would be bad enough, but u cant even make the font sizes bigger on websites without breaking every second website, and then other sites just have to scroll sidewards if u give them less than 1024 pixels size horrizental. Its a constant pain, and u say to me they removed that killer feature without any reason. Again to come the questions how am I supposed to write in a non painfull way comments to blogs websites??? ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: What happened to nnslashdot and nnultimate
yes thats what I wanted basicly I want something like Tapatalk but as foss and for the pc. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
What happened to nnslashdot and nnultimate
I experimented with shimbun but as far as I understand it its more or less only there to show newstickers but not to view and post comments at least thats not what I see in heise.de newsticker. So I digged around further thought ok slashdot is pretty famous geek site, so lets search for that and gnus and I found gnus documentation which mentions nnslashdot and nnultimate as methods for gnus groups. http://sunsite.ualberta.ca/Documentation/Gnu/emacs-21.1/html_chapter/gnus_6.html#SEC173 In the current documentation I dont find this methods anymore. Did they just got removed and replaced with nothing else? I hate this fuckin web-forums. So is there no way to use my themed consistend newsreader (gnus) instead of this laggy flashy forums sites? ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: read mail gmail inside emacs?
yes of course. nnimap (imap support) is your friend. but next time google maybe first ;) http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/GnusGmail ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
How to use nnrss-ignore-article-fields
I think nnrss-ignore-article-fields is documented to bad. I am not a total pro emacs user and I am even worse (e)lisp programmer but it should not be so hard to understand this. I use rss for youtube feeds and nearly every hour I get 10 old feeds that I marked as read already again. It was even hard to find this variable as most likely the mechanism to stop this. Then I had to look into the source-code and find a post somewhere that says that you have to raise the gnus-verbose level to 10 to see output with what u can maybe find the fields you could put into that. But even with that it seems that I dont understand what I have to ignore. A example output looks like that: "nnrss: Making hash index of (item nil (guid ((isPermaLink . "false")) "tag:youtube.com,2008:video:Zx5W7faSEJI") (pubDate nil "Fri, 24 Jan 2014 06:04:18 +") (atom:updated nil "2014-01-24T06:21:20.000Z") (category ((domain . "http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#kind";)) "http://gdata.youtube.com/schemas/2007#video";) (title nil "Tendresse for Ten | BSD Now 21") (description nil "") (link nil "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zx5W7faSEJI&feature=youtube_gdata";) (author nil "Jupiter Broadcasting"))" I set and evaluated following list: (setq nnrss-ignore-article-fields '(slash:comments description atom:updated category title item tag)) but it did not prevent re-appearences of such articles. I would love to get some help. Thx ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: RSS youtube feeds show read-flagged videos/messages again
hmm I think I stumbled over a variable that is made for my problem: nnrss-ignore-article-fields Some feeds update constantly article fields during their publications, e.g., to indicate the number of comments. However, if there is a difference between the local article and the distant one, the latter is considered to be new. To avoid this and discard some fields, set this variable to the list of fields to be ignored. The default is '(slash:comments). I will wait and see what it updates, description or something and set it to ignore that. Hope that is the fix. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: RSS youtube feeds show read-flagged videos/messages again
Thanx for trying to help me ;) But I think thats not the Problem, why would youtube rss contain again and again old posts, should there not only be the newer ones. Hmm I try to look at it in ascii form maybe I see the entrences. here is such a example: Gaming