Re: OpenSSL with SMTP mail instead of GnuTLS
On 2008-09-18 17:44 +0100, Phil Lord wrote: Anyone here who has made this work successfully? Tried it using this hack:http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/gnu-emacs-sources/2007-05/msg00021 to no avail. I get Sending failed; SMTP protocol error with no trace buffer. Sorry it didn't work for you, although I'm not surprised. It was a bit of a hack. For me, it works but only with cygwin and windows, and not on ubuntu. I'm afraid I don't have the resources or the knowledge to fix this up better than currently. I have recently decided to start using Emacs to send emails again and I could only do so with smtp-openssl.el on W32. Thank you very much for this. BTW, any plan to turn this into a proper package? Cheers, -- .: Leo :. [ sdl.web AT gmail.com ] .: I use Emacs :. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: OpenSSL with SMTP mail instead of GnuTLS
On Sep 23, 6:26 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 23, 9:55 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 19, 8:45 pm, Phil Lord [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 19, 2:28 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 19, 12:44 am, Phil Lord [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now, I am able to get the part where data is sent up to the point where a dot character on a line by itself is sent. I assume this is something like an EOF signal to the SMTP server. However, nothing happens for a while after. Then I get the read:errno=54 in the SMTP session trace buffer. Any ideas anyone? It looks like it's a problem with my SMTP server. I recreated the session in the command line and was able to observe the same behavior. I'll take this up with support instead. Finally got things to work! Support advised me to add -crlf to the list of parameters being passed to openssl. That immediately worked but the message headers weren't being interpreted properly so I had to hack smtpmail-send- data-1 also so that \n is used instead of \r\n. Eeech. Well, sounds like you have a good support service at least. Glad that it worked for you in the end. Phil ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: OpenSSL with SMTP mail instead of GnuTLS
On Sep 23, 9:55 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 19, 8:45 pm, Phil Lord [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 19, 2:28 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 19, 12:44 am, Phil Lord [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now, I am able to get the part where data is sent up to the point where a dot character on a line by itself is sent. I assume this is something like an EOF signal to the SMTP server. However, nothing happens for a while after. Then I get the read:errno=54 in the SMTP session trace buffer. Any ideas anyone? It looks like it's a problem with my SMTP server. I recreated the session in the command line and was able to observe the same behavior. I'll take this up with support instead. Finally got things to work! Support advised me to add -crlf to the list of parameters being passed to openssl. That immediately worked but the message headers weren't being interpreted properly so I had to hack smtpmail-send- data-1 also so that \n is used instead of \r\n. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: OpenSSL with SMTP mail instead of GnuTLS
On Sep 19, 2:28 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 19, 12:44 am, Phil Lord [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now, I am able to get the part where data is sent up to the point where a dot character on a line by itself is sent. I assume this is something like an EOF signal to the SMTP server. However, nothing happens for a while after. Then I get the read:errno=54 in the SMTP session trace buffer. Any ideas anyone? Also, I think smtpmail isn't really a part of Gnus so it has problems with OpenSSL where Gnus doesn't. I think the key problem is just that smtpmail.el is old; the author also wrote GnuTLS -- it works best with this, but not on windows. Actually, you might want to try a completely different option. I've been following instructions from on msmtp -- this is a lightweight SMTP client which looks to the outside world (specifically emacs!) like sendmail. I've managed to get it working with cygwin -- will be trying Ubuntu next, and it should work on mac, although I have no ability to test these. There's documentation on EmacsWiki about it; the config is a bit hairy at the moment, so I'll probably write a proper wrapper library for it at some point; smptmail-openssl.el can then be retired for the hack that it is. Phil ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: OpenSSL with SMTP mail instead of GnuTLS
Phil Lord [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sep 19, 2:28 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 19, 12:44 am, Phil Lord [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Actually, you might want to try a completely different option. I've been following instructions from on msmtp -- this is a lightweight SMTP client which looks to the outside world (specifically emacs!) like sendmail. I've managed to get it working with cygwin -- will be trying Ubuntu next, and it should work on mac, although I have no ability to test these. There's documentation on EmacsWiki about it; the config is a bit hairy at the moment, so I'll probably write a proper wrapper library for it at some point; smptmail-openssl.el can then be retired for the hack that it is. [...] er...if you meant this link http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/GnusMSMTP I wrote some bits of it and others improved upon it. If there is anything which is not clear, do tell, I'll clean it up. FWIW, the last time I checked, msmtp worked on Windows+Emacs too without cygwin. sivaram -- ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: OpenSSL with SMTP mail instead of GnuTLS
On Sep 19, 5:58 pm, Sivaram Neelakantan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Phil Lord [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sep 19, 2:28 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 19, 12:44 am, Phil Lord [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Actually, you might want to try a completely different option. I've been following instructions from on msmtp -- this is a lightweight SMTP client which looks to the outside world (specifically emacs!) like sendmail. I've managed to get it working with cygwin -- will be trying Ubuntu next, and it should work on mac, although I have no ability to test these. There's documentation on EmacsWiki about it; the config is a bit hairy at the moment, so I'll probably write a proper wrapper library for it at some point; smptmail-openssl.el can then be retired for the hack that it is. [...] er...if you meant this link http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/GnusMSMTP I wrote some bits of it and others improved upon it. If there is anything which is not clear, do tell, I'll clean it up. FWIW, the last time I checked, msmtp worked on Windows+Emacs too without cygwin. sivaram -- Sorry, I didn't mean to be rude. The documentation is reasonably clear. The only thing that would have made it better, I think, is a short description of how to test your msmtp config from outside gnus, on the command line. If you get this wrong, in my hands, emacs has a tendency to hang and has to be killed. Try, for example, changing the config to a random port. msmtp will now try to connect and emacs will hang while it fails. In my hands, you need to kill the emacs process to get out of this using task manager. Not the ideal environment for experimentation. For me, also, using the .msmtp config is not ideal, as I have to duplicate between windows and ubuntu. So, what I would like to do is write a new package, which duplicates the options of msmtp, so that you can configure in emacs, using lisp. Underneath, I'd expect it to still use sendmail.el; no point rewriting this. I'm not surprised it works wihtout cygwin, but it's good to know. For me, a cygwin option is easier in practice, but either is fine. Anyway, again, apologies for the implied rudeness of the last post; I am very grateful for the stuff on EmacsWiki; it was invaluable to me. It's probably going to form the basis of my email config for the next few years at least! Phil ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: OpenSSL with SMTP mail instead of GnuTLS
On Sep 19, 12:44 am, Phil Lord [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 14, 4:41 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone here who has made this work successfully? Tried it using this hack:http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/gnu-emacs-sources/2007-05/msg00021 to no avail. I get Sending failed; SMTP protocol error with no trace buffer. Sorry it didn't work for you, although I'm not surprised. It was a bit of a hack. For me, it works but only with cygwin and windows, and not on ubuntu. I'm afraid I don't have the resources or the knowledge to fix this up better than currently. It's a worry for me; my email existence is hanging by the thread of a bad hack. Some day soon, our server config will change, and I'll be left without email. I don't understand why Gnus can read email straightforwardly with openssl, but not send it. Nor what everyone else using Gnus to send mail is doing. Is there another option that I am not aware of? Phil Almost there! Edited smtp-openssl.el so that the advice to smtpmail-open-stream passes -starttls smtp as well. Then, I learned about smtpmail-debug-info so I set that to get more info on what was really happening. I found out that the carriage returns in smtpmail's commands were causing the SMTP server to return errors which in turn make smtpmail choke during parsing. So I hacked smtpmail-send-command to remove those carriage returns. (Still thinking of an approach more elegant than having to redefine it in my .emacs). Now, I am able to get the part where data is sent up to the point where a dot character on a line by itself is sent. I assume this is something like an EOF signal to the SMTP server. However, nothing happens for a while after. Then I get the read:errno=54 in the SMTP session trace buffer. Any ideas anyone? Also, I think smtpmail isn't really a part of Gnus so it has problems with OpenSSL where Gnus doesn't. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: OpenSSL with SMTP mail instead of GnuTLS
On Sep 14, 4:41 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone here who has made this work successfully? Tried it using this hack:http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/gnu-emacs-sources/2007-05/msg00021 to no avail. I get Sending failed; SMTP protocol error with no trace buffer. Sorry it didn't work for you, although I'm not surprised. It was a bit of a hack. For me, it works but only with cygwin and windows, and not on ubuntu. I'm afraid I don't have the resources or the knowledge to fix this up better than currently. It's a worry for me; my email existence is hanging by the thread of a bad hack. Some day soon, our server config will change, and I'll be left without email. I don't understand why Gnus can read email straightforwardly with openssl, but not send it. Nor what everyone else using Gnus to send mail is doing. Is there another option that I am not aware of? Phil ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
