Re: Gnus capitalizes non-header "from"
Christoph writes: > The bug occurs when I send an email message with an attachment that is a > Python source file. Lines in that file that begin with "from" (or > perhaps just the first such line), get capitalized, as if they were a > SMTP header. For an example see the message [1] that I've just sent to > a mailing list. Are you sure Gnus is the program mangling it? It is mangled in your sent-folder? I just tried emailing myself an attachment and "from" was untouched - both in the copy in the sent-folder and the one I received through my local Postfix. (I tried both with disposition=attachment and inline, same result). Let me try attaching it here, and we'll see what happens (maybe my email gets rejected :-)) Best regards, Adam -- "Efter 90?" Adam Sjøgren "89"a...@koldfront.dk "Efter 89 blev det faste pladser. Kopper med navn på." import kwant, numpy from math import cos, sin import matplotlib.pyplot as plt lat = kwant.lattice.square() ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: Gnus capitalizes non-header "from"
a...@koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) writes: > Christoph writes: > >> The bug occurs when I send an email message with an attachment that is a >> Python source file. Lines in that file that begin with "from" (or >> perhaps just the first such line), get capitalized, as if they were a >> SMTP header. For an example see the message [1] that I've just sent to >> a mailing list. > > Are you sure Gnus is the program mangling it? It is mangled in your > sent-folder? > > I just tried emailing myself an attachment and "from" was untouched - > both in the copy in the sent-folder and the one I received through my > local Postfix. (I tried both with disposition=attachment and inline, > same result). FWIW, I tried it, and the "from" was capitalized in both the received and sent version. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: Gnus capitalizes non-header "from"
Eric writes: >> Are you sure Gnus is the program mangling it? It is mangled in your >> sent-folder? >> >> I just tried emailing myself an attachment and "from" was untouched - >> both in the copy in the sent-folder and the one I received through my >> local Postfix. (I tried both with disposition=attachment and inline, >> same result). > > FWIW, I tried it, and the "from" was capitalized in both the received > and sent version. Hm, interesting! Difference in versions? In storage type? (GNU Emacs 27.0.50 built from a7b7b85567f766ff510a5eaaaf32dbbbec15efd0, nnml). I would guess that storage formats that have more than one email per file need to "escape" lines starting with "From " (as that is the separator), and maybe something then happens to lines starting with "from " as well? If you view the raw article, what does the line look like then? o o o Interestingly my attachment here was unmangled! What happens if you do a similar attachment to your next follow-up here? Best regards, Adam -- "Repetition is the death of magic." Adam Sjøgren a...@koldfront.dk ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: Gnus capitalizes non-header "from"
e...@ericabrahamsen.net: > a...@koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) writes: >> Christoph writes: >> >>> The bug occurs when I send an email message with an attachment that is a >>> Python source file. Lines in that file that begin with "from" (or >>> perhaps just the first such line), get capitalized, as if they were a >>> SMTP header. For an example see the message [1] that I've just sent to >>> a mailing list. >> >> Are you sure Gnus is the program mangling it? It is mangled in your >> sent-folder? >> >> I just tried emailing myself an attachment and "from" was untouched - >> both in the copy in the sent-folder and the one I received through my >> local Postfix. (I tried both with disposition=attachment and inline, >> same result). > FWIW, I tried it, and the "from" was capitalized in both the received > and sent version. (Without having gone through your testing, and not knowing to which detail you're familiar with the mail standards, so please excuse is this is too basic:) This can possibly boil down to the old e-mail standard for the "mailbox" format - the old local storage format for incoming mail to a user (typically in /var/(spool/)mail/liman (in my case). In those files, messages are separated by a "From " line (no colon! not header!), and in order to not mistake a text line starting with "From " for a message separator, all "From " lines in a message had to be "quoted", typically with a ">" leading to text like this: text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text >From this day on, I had to write everything using the Comic Sans font, and I was very upset with my editor ... Mail user agents typically convert this back to "From ..." when showing a message, but as you undoubtedly realise, there is ample room for mistakes here. One bug is to also "quote" lower case "from ..." to ">from ..." or even ">From ...", and/or when converting back make another mistake ">from ..." --> "From ...". One way around this could be to see whether you can append your Python code as something else than "text/plain", and have it encoded in Quoted-Printable (or even BASE64), which ought to eliminate the problem. (Q-P encoding would lead to "From ..." --> "=70rom ...", if I remember the standard correctly, which I probably don't ;-). Then again, I could be completely off here. I usuaslly am ... ;-) Cheers, /Liman #- # Lars-Johan Liman, M.Sc.! E-mail: li...@cafax.se # Cafax AB ! HTTP : //www.cafax.se/ # Computer Consultants, Sweden ! Voice : +46 8 - 564 702 30 #- ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: Gnus capitalizes non-header "from"
Adam Sjøgren wrote: > Eric writes: > > >> Are you sure Gnus is the program mangling it? It is mangled in your > >> sent-folder? > >> > >> I just tried emailing myself an attachment and "from" was untouched > >> - both in the copy in the sent-folder and the one I received > >> through my local Postfix. (I tried both with disposition=attachment > >> and inline, same result). > > > > FWIW, I tried it, and the "from" was capitalized in both the > > received and sent version. > > Hm, interesting! Thanks for your interest! I did some more systematic tests. The mangling is visible in the locally saved version of the message, so it's definitely caused locally. Moreover, the mangling seems to simply affect all the lines that begin with a lower-case "from ", also in the main body. The problem does *not* occur if I do not sign the message! It *does* occur when the message is signed either with an OpenPGP or with an S/MIME key. > Difference in versions? In storage type? > > (GNU Emacs 27.0.50 built from > a7b7b85567f766ff510a5eaaaf32dbbbec15efd0, nnml). GNU Emacs 24.5.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.22.11) of 2017-09-12 on hullmann, modified by Debian It's not a new problem, I remember seeing it for the first time years ago. > I would guess that storage formats that have more than one email per > file need to "escape" lines starting with "From " (as that is the > separator), and maybe something then happens to lines starting with > "from " as well? It seems indeed have something to do with it, and not with SMTP headers. > If you view the raw article, what does the line look like then? I attach the pristine mbox file of a sent message (saved directly from Gnus with 'o'). I only removed the host parts of email addresses. The MD5 sum of the attached file is ec7588fe8704b1d48aba09976894bc2e. I am signing this mail, so let's see what will happen: From this time forward, you will service us. Christoph mbox Description: Binary data signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: Gnus capitalizes non-header "from"
Lars-Johan Liman wrote: > This can possibly boil down to the old e-mail standard for the > "mailbox" format - the old local storage format for incoming mail to a > user (typically in /var/(spool/)mail/liman (in my case). In those > files, messages are separated by a "From " line (no colon! not > header!), and in order to not mistake a text line starting with "From > " for a message separator, all "From " lines in a message had to be > "quoted", typically with a ">" leading to text like this: Yest that must be indeed the source of the problem, thanks for your explaination. > One way around this could be to see whether you can append your Python > code as something else than "text/plain", and have it encoded in > Quoted-Printable (or even BASE64), which ought to eliminate the > problem. (Q-P encoding would lead to "From ..." --> "=70rom ...", if I > remember the standard correctly, which I probably don't ;-). The body of the mbox file I attached to my reply to Adam is encoded in quoted-printable. Christoph signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: Gnus capitalizes non-header "from"
Christoph writes: > I did some more systematic tests. The mangling is visible in the > locally saved version of the message, so it's definitely caused locally. What format do you use for your sent messages folder? nnfolder? > The problem does *not* occur if I do not sign the message! It *does* > occur when the message is signed either with an OpenPGP or with an > S/MIME key. Aha. Maybe that is to avoid the lines starting with "[Ff]rom " being (potentially) mangled after signing, leaving the signature invalid. > It's not a new problem, I remember seeing it for the first time years > ago. Yeah, mbox has used "From " as the separator for decades. Best regards, Adam -- "It's not denial. I'm just very selective about the Adam Sjøgren reality I accept." a...@koldfront.dk ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: Gnus capitalizes non-header "from"
a...@koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) writes: > Eric writes: > >>> Are you sure Gnus is the program mangling it? It is mangled in your >>> sent-folder? >>> >>> I just tried emailing myself an attachment and "from" was untouched - >>> both in the copy in the sent-folder and the one I received through my >>> local Postfix. (I tried both with disposition=attachment and inline, >>> same result). >> >> FWIW, I tried it, and the "from" was capitalized in both the received >> and sent version. > > Hm, interesting! > > Difference in versions? In storage type? > > (GNU Emacs 27.0.50 built from a7b7b85567f766ff510a5eaaaf32dbbbec15efd0, > nnml). GNU Emacs 27.0.50 (build 5, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.22.25) of 2017-11-09 And dovecot IMAP, unfortunately, which rules out old storage formats. Unless I'm doing something else wrong -- I'll have time to check this out in detail tonight. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: Gnus capitalizes non-header "from"
Adam Sjøgren wrote: > > > I did some more systematic tests. The mangling is visible in the > > locally saved version of the message, so it's definitely caused > > locally. > > What format do you use for your sent messages folder? nnfolder? My setup is similar to Eric's. I use nnimap and the backend is a local dovecot that is synchronized (but that doesn't matter here) using isync. > > The problem does *not* occur if I do not sign the message! It > > *does* occur when the message is signed either with an OpenPGP or > > with an S/MIME key. > > Aha. Maybe that is to avoid the lines starting with "[Ff]rom " being > (potentially) mangled after signing, leaving the signature invalid. Maybe... In order to debug this, it would be useful to examine the various steps that lie between pressing C-c C-c and storing the message. Is "Edebug" the way to go? signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: Gnus capitalizes non-header "from"
Christoph writes: > Maybe... In order to debug this, it would be useful to examine the > various steps that lie between pressing C-c C-c and storing the > message. Is "Edebug" the way to go? edebug-defun is my go-to (but I am no expert in the topic :-)) Best regards, Adam -- "Tom has put all my music into this rectangle." Adam Sjøgren a...@koldfront.dk ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: Gnus capitalizes non-header "from"
a...@koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) writes: > Christoph writes: > >> Maybe... In order to debug this, it would be useful to examine the >> various steps that lie between pressing C-c C-c and storing the >> message. Is "Edebug" the way to go? > > edebug-defun is my go-to (but I am no expert in the topic :-)) What I would do is first find the chain of function calls that sends a message, and then pick a likely one for edebugging. I started looking at this yesterday: I thought `message-fix-before-sending' sounded a likely culprit, but it wasn't to blame. That's as far as I got. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: Gnus capitalizes non-header "from"
Eric Abrahamsen writes: > a...@koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) writes: > >> Christoph writes: >> >>> The bug occurs when I send an email message with an attachment that is a >>> Python source file. Lines in that file that begin with "from" (or >>> perhaps just the first such line), get capitalized, as if they were a >>> SMTP header. For an example see the message [1] that I've just sent to >>> a mailing list. >> >> Are you sure Gnus is the program mangling it? It is mangled in your >> sent-folder? >> >> I just tried emailing myself an attachment and "from" was untouched - >> both in the copy in the sent-folder and the one I received through my >> local Postfix. (I tried both with disposition=attachment and inline, >> same result). > > FWIW, I tried it, and the "from" was capitalized in both the received > and sent version. Bah, now I can't reproduce it. I have no idea what's going on... ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
