Re: Test email
Be sure to add these groups, as well as gmane.emacs.gnus.user ( = this one) gmane.discuss gmane.emacs.help gmane.emacs.gnus.general gmane.test -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 https://dataswamp.org/~incal ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: Test email
Dear Rafi, Rafi Khan writes: > Hi Byung-Hee > > soyeo...@doraji.xyz (황병희) writes: >> Welcome to the Gnus World^^^ Plus [1] looks good. >> Most Gnus fan are at there [1]. >> >> [1] gmane.emacs.gnus.general > > Awesome thanks, I am now subscribed :D > > Thanks, > Rafi Again thanks for using Gnus^^^ And thanks for using *BSD^^^ (from berkeley-unix) Sincerely, Gnus fan Byung-Hee -- ^고맙습니다 _布德天下_ 감사합니다_^))// ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: Test email
Hi Byung-Hee soyeo...@doraji.xyz (황병희) writes: > Welcome to the Gnus World^^^ Plus [1] looks good. > Most Gnus fan are at there [1]. > > [1] gmane.emacs.gnus.general Awesome thanks, I am now subscribed :D Thanks, Rafi ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: Test email
Hellow Rafi^^^ Rafi Khan writes: > Hi all, > > I am new to gnus and mailing lists and have just setup Emacs with GNUS > and my email account. > > This is just a test email so that I can confirm things are setup as > intended. > > Further, is there a guide I can read to learn more about how to use > mailing lists? There's a lot of terminology in the gnus documentation > which I am unfamiliar with such as "post", "news" and "group". Some of > this can be inferred from the documentation and context but others are > not so clear to me. > > Thanks, > Rafi Khan Welcome to the Gnus World^^^ Plus [1] looks good. Most Gnus fan are at there [1]. [1] gmane.emacs.gnus.general Sincerely, Gnus fan Byung-Hee -- ^고맙습니다 _和合團結_ 감사합니다_^))// ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: Test email
Adam Sjøgren via info-gnus-english writes: Adam Sjøgren via info-gnus-english writes: > The first strategy is useful if the person writing on the mailing list > isn't subscribed to it. (I find that an odd thing to do, and with Gmane, > where following a mailing list is very low friction, even more so). I see, thank you for the explanation! I'm starting to understand now. Thanks, Rafi ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: ‘Reply’ vs ‘followup’ (was: Test email)
Rafi Khan wrote: > Alberto Luaces writes: > 1. I am using Gmail as the backend and received Dmitry Alexandrov's reply in > my inbox, but for some reason your reply wasn't there. He have not addressed you for some reason, cf. ‘To’ and (absent) ‘Cc’ headers in his mail. While they are merely informational, they are usually true. > 2. What is the difference between replying and forwarding in mailing lists? > > Should I be doing "F" or "R". ‘r’ and ‘R’¹ are above-mentioned ‘reply to sender only’ commands. Indeed, docstring ( k r) is unclear: | (gnus-summary-reply YANK WIDE VERY-WIDE) | | Start composing a mail reply to the current message. | If prefix argument YANK is non-nil, the original article is yanked | automatically. | If WIDE, make a wide reply. | If VERY-WIDE, make a very wide reply. Manual entry ( K r) is fine, though: | ‘S r’ | ‘r’ | Mail a reply to the author of the current article | (‘gnus-summary-reply’). In other words, these are rarely needed commands. The need to drop extra recipients from reply is rare, and even in these cases itʼs often easier just to purge ‘Cc’ line. As for ‘f’ and ‘F’, they do _not_ stay for ‘forwarding’, but for ‘following-up’. Contrary to what @a...@koldfront.dk have said [0], they are _not_ for posting to [news]group only, but are supposed to be ‘do what I mean’ commands for replying: in Usenet — post to group (S n), in mail — reply to all (S w). ‘DWIM’ breaks, though, when you are reading mail gatewayed to Usenet or an isolated NNTP server such as Gmane. Then you have to mark newsgroups that are really mailing lists first. You can do that on one by one basis by setting ‘to-list’ parameter on them — Iʼve already explained how to do that [1], but really you want to mark all mail-to-news groups at once: (setq gnus-mailing-list-groups (rx bol (opt "nntp" (1+ nonl) ":") (or "gmane." "linux." "mozilla."))) Now you can use ‘f’ / ‘F’ instead of ‘S w’ / ‘S W’ just as intended. [0] <875zaverel@tullinup.koldfront.dk> [1] - ¹ FWIW, I suggest you to use lower-case variants, followed by C-c C-y if you need quotation. signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: Test email
Rafi writes: > 1. I am using Gmail as the backend and received Dmitry Alexandrov's > reply in my inbox, but for some reason your reply wasn't there. I am > replying to you from the gmane group in gnus. It's a common "problem" with mailing lists: Some people reply both to the mailing list and directly to the person, some people only reply to the mailing list. The first strategy is useful if the person writing on the mailing list isn't subscribed to it. (I find that an odd thing to do, and with Gmane, where following a mailing list is very low friction, even more so). There are some headers you can set to indicate your preference, but not many email clients understand them. > 2. What is the difference between replying and forwarding in mailing > lists? I think you are thinking of R.eply and F.ollow up? For newsgroups (e.g. Gmane) R sends to the author only, and F sends to the group. (S W sends to both.) For email, you can think of R in Gnus as "Reply", and F as "Reply All". It's more complicated than that (of course, this is Emacs), but it's a reasonable first approximation. F and R quote the previous email, f and r don't. I usually want to follow up in the newsgroup, rather than replying only to the author, so to be reminded if I hit the wrong button, I've (asked around, and somebody provided this small snippet to) add to my ~/.gnus: ; Warn if replying from a newsgroup: (defadvice gnus-summary-reply (around asjo-reply-in-news activate) (interactive) (when (or (not (gnus-news-group-p gnus-newsgroup-name)) (y-or-n-p "Really reply? ")) ad-do-it)) which makes Gnus ask me if I really want to email the author instead of following up in the newsgroup, if I happen to. Best reards, Adam -- "Ride the tail of rhymeAdam Sjøgren Break the legs of time a...@koldfront.dk Snap its spine" ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: Get list address for Gmane group (was: Test email)
Rafi Khan wrote: > Dmitry Alexandrov writes: >> Posting in a normal way — by mailing to a list address (here: >> info-gnus-english@gnu.org) via your mailserver (smtp.googlemail.com in your >> case) is generally more reliable. > > Is there a way for me to get the mailing list address for a gmane news group > from inside gnus Yes, but itʼs not implemented. So try that instead: navigate to some message, that was posted there and only there (no crossposts) and command A M (M-x gnus-mailing-list-insinuate) — Gnus will try to populate ‘list-to’ group parameter from ‘List-Post’ header. > so I can compose directly that way? If there is no ‘List-Post’ header, there is still nothing hard in guessing it from ‘To’ / ‘Cc’ headers, so: (setq gnus-add-to-list t) and copy-paste it for the first time manually [1]. [1] (info "(gnus) Group Parameters"). signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: Test email
Alberto Luaces writes: > Congratulations, it is working! Awesome :D > I don't know any, but I guess you are welcome to ask these things as you > need them. Thanks! So a few questions already. 1. I am using Gmail as the backend and received Dmitry Alexandrov's reply in my inbox, but for some reason your reply wasn't there. I am replying to you from the gmane group in gnus. 2. What is the difference between replying and forwarding in mailing lists? Should I be doing "F" or "R". They seems similar when the compose window is created, hence my confusion. Thanks, Rafi ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: Test email
Rafi Khan wrote: > I am new to gnus and mailing lists and have just setup Emacs with GNUS and my > email account. Welcome! > This is just a test email so that I can confirm things are setup as intended. You are posting via Gmane, are not you? Thatʼs sort of fine for that list (and any list on (non)gnu.org), but not for every one on the Net. Posting in a normal way — by mailing to a list address (here: info-gnus-english@gnu.org) via your mailserver (smtp.googlemail.com in your case) is generally more reliable. > Further, is there a guide I can read to learn more about how to use mailing > lists? Lots of such guides were accumulated over the Net for decades, but I do not know any, thatʼs worth reading. They commonly contain not very relevant info, that overwhelm the newcomer, often — local-specific and outdated info, and sometimes — simply bullshit. Basically, there is nothing to explain: mailing lists are supposed to be naturally familiar for anyone who is familiar with mail, that is simply to anyone. And despite all the joint efforts of some list-hosters, mail useragent designers and individuals to derail it, they are mostly indeed are. The only mistake UI designers succeeded to teach users, though, is to to command ‘Reply to sender only’ instead of ‘Reply to all’, which is of course is not what you want while discussing things publicly. Yet in too many MUAs the latter in too concealed. Gnus, of course, is not one those, so you are safe here. > There's a lot of terminology in the gnus documentation ‹…› Some of this can > be inferred from the documentation and context, but others are not so clear > to me. Feel free to ask. signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: Test email
Rafi Khan writes: > Hi all, > > I am new to gnus and mailing lists and have just setup Emacs with GNUS > and my email account. > > This is just a test email so that I can confirm things are setup as > intended. > Congratulations, it is working! > > Further, is there a guide I can read to learn more about how to use > mailing lists? There's a lot of terminology in the gnus documentation > which I am unfamiliar with such as "post", "news" and "group". Some of > this can be inferred from the documentation and context but others are > not so clear to me. I don't know any, but I guess you are welcome to ask these things as you need them. That terminology comes from NNTP, which translated to today's terms (although it is still in use, by the way) would be the (roughly) equivalent of a forum read by "email". "Post" is still a post, a message like this one; "news" would be the whole forum, hosting "groups" — its channels, or mailing lists in email terms. -- Alberto ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Test email
Hi all, I am new to gnus and mailing lists and have just setup Emacs with GNUS and my email account. This is just a test email so that I can confirm things are setup as intended. Further, is there a guide I can read to learn more about how to use mailing lists? There's a lot of terminology in the gnus documentation which I am unfamiliar with such as "post", "news" and "group". Some of this can be inferred from the documentation and context but others are not so clear to me. Thanks, Rafi Khan ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
