Re: XNAY

2014-08-31 Thread Emanuel Berg
David Hume  writes:

>> But what does it matter? What are you paranoid
>> about? Don't be afraid of your computer!
>
> You can put a spin on anything to suite your
> purposes. Call it anti-social, call it paranoia,
> whatever. 

I call it: stupid.

Fact: You message *is* archived, one way or another.
Deal with it, or stop using mail and Usenet.

Read this article, that was posted here a while back:

http://mako.cc/copyrighteous/google-has-most-of-my-email-because-it-has-all-of-yours

And if your message is archived, which it is, it might
as well be archived in a complete and predictable way.

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Re: XNAY

2014-08-31 Thread Emanuel Berg
David Hume  writes:

> According to my installation of emacs there are some
> 22000 articles on the server in this group. So my
> articles are still present in the place I posted them
> for people to look back to. Unless of course I
> decided to cancel one. But then I would probably only
> do that if what I had written turned out to be wrong,
> or irrelevent or something like that.

If so, it is better to quote yourself and say "this
turned out to be incorrect, actually it is..."

And then you have to add - like US politicians - "And
in time, I hope to be forgiven" :)

> I didn't post my articles on google groups so I don't
> feel any obligation to make sure they go there and
> stay there for all eternity, or until the demise of
> google.

Why do you keep brining up GG? What do they have to do
with anything? This communication of ours is open,
free. The XNAY won't change that, it will only get
things confused and mixed up.

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Re: XNAY

2014-08-31 Thread Emanuel Berg
David Hume  writes:

> OK but can anyone be certain that what you quote is
> what I wrote?

No, just look:

> What a bummer! David didn't write this!

But what does it matter? What are you paranoid about?
Don't be afraid of your computer!

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Re: XNAY (was: gnus hanging - how to see what it is doing)

2014-08-31 Thread Emanuel Berg
Peter Münster  writes:

>> I think I set that header so my articles would not
>> be preserved in google groups for all eternity.
>
> Sure, XNAY prevents *your* articles from being
> archived. But anybody (except for Adam Sjøgren ;) can
> quote your text (or parts of your text taken out of
> context), and that will be archived.

Indeed. So the end result is: it can still get
archived, only you don't know if it is, and if it is,
it may be incomplete. What I can see it is much worse
than just let it all be in the open. That way you will
know it is archived if you ever need to return to the
conversation (which frequently happens to me). And,
whenever so, the conversation will be completely
archived, not fragmentarily at the mercy of the
quoters.

By the way, XNAY is "X-No-Archive: Yes".

> My message-cite-articles-with-x-no-archive is t, so
> this message will stay understandable in the
> future

Mine is too and I don't remember setting that. Actually
let me check that: no, I didn't. That tells me only
people like Comrade Sjøgren are respectful enough to
honor that header. By default Gnus don't (I did 'emacs
-Q', then (require 'message) and `M-x describe-variable
message-cite-articles-with-x-no-archive').

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XNAY (was: gnus hanging - how to see what it is doing)

2014-08-31 Thread Peter Münster
On Sun, Aug 31 2014, David Hume wrote:

> I think I set that header so my articles would not be preserved in
> google groups for all eternity.

Sure, XNAY prevents *your* articles from being archived.
But anybody (except for Adam Sjøgren ;) can quote your text (or parts of
your text taken out of context), and that will be archived.

My message-cite-articles-with-x-no-archive is t, so this message will
stay understandable in the future... ;)

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