Re: citation line above or below body?
Hi Philipp, Philipp Haselwarter wrote: That's the point. Moving down manually every time is a bit of a pain if you just want to quote and start typing. ---8---[snipped 19 lines]---8--- I guess the above elide function is automatic. When pressing `C-h a', I see I only have one version of it, the one (`message-elide-region') which inserts ellipsis. How do you get a line-count? Best regards, Seb -- Sébastien Vauban ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: citation line above or below body?
* Sébastien Vauban wxhgmqzgw...@spammotel.com in gnu.emacs.gnus: ---8---[snipped 19 lines]---8--- I guess the above elide function is automatic. When pressing `C-h a', I see I only have one version of it, the one (`message-elide-region') which inserts ellipsis. How do you get a line-count? See these messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/info-gnus-english@gnu.org/msg06474.html http://www.mail-archive.com/info-gnus-english@gnu.org/msg06477.html -- DW ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: citation line above or below body?
On Sat, Feb 26 2011,Damien Wyart wrote: * Sébastien Vauban wxhgmqzgw...@spammotel.com in gnu.emacs.gnus: ---8---[snipped 19 lines]---8--- I guess the above elide function is automatic. When pressing `C-h a', I see I only have one version of it, the one (`message-elide-region') which inserts ellipsis. How do you get a line-count? See these messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/info-gnus-english@gnu.org/msg06474.html http://www.mail-archive.com/info-gnus-english@gnu.org/msg06477.html By coincidence, I'd mailed Lars to ask whether he could merge that patch into message.el. I'd recently installed stuff on a new machine and found that message-elide-region was not working for me. Turns out it's not applied to the file. sivaram -- ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: citation line above or below body?
G == Gary g...@garydjones.name writes: G Philipp Haselwarter wrote: G == Gary writes: G Eric Abrahamsen wrote: When I reply to messages and cite the original, point ends up below the citation line. This leads to weird threads, where my text ends up right below the so-and-so wrote: line G What do you mean? That you then type where the cursor is? You can G always move it down, you know :) In fact I would encourage you to do G so. That's the point. Moving down manually every time is a bit of a pain if you just want to quote and start typing. G Gnus isn't psychic. disagreed, sir ;) When you're using supercite, it's no big deal: --8---cut here---start-8--- (defun my-mv-pre-sign () (when (message-mail-p) (message-goto-signature) (previous-line 3))) (add-hook 'sc-post-hook 'my-mv-pre-sign) --8---cut here---end---8--- There's probably a way to do it without using `sc-post-hook' (using advices?), but this has the advantage of being Really Simple. -- Philipp Haselwarter ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: citation line above or below body?
Philipp Haselwarter philipp.haselwar...@gmx.de writes: G == Gary g...@garydjones.name writes: G Eric Abrahamsen wrote: When I reply to messages and cite the original, point ends up below the citation line. This leads to weird threads, where my text ends up right below the so-and-so wrote: line G What do you mean? That you then type where the cursor is? You can G always move it down, you know :) In fact I would encourage you to do G so. That's the point. Moving down manually every time is a bit of a pain if you just want to quote and start typing. ---8---[snipped 19 lines]---8--- Its this way on purpose I would guess to encourage people to snip and to review context. Some, (including you ;)), tend to snip too much. Others, me ;), tend to not snip enough. When reading this post I didnt even understand it at first as I thought the cursor was indeed at the end - it isnt of course : I have been hitting M- for so long it was second nature! ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: citation line above or below body?
---8---[snipped 27 lines: everything :p]---8--- Well I tend to leave in just the parts I'm directly answering/referring to, which is usually the outermost level of citation. If someone wants to follow a thread, he can do just that - read the thread. When the whole conversation is quoted each time, it just gets messy, IMHO. And as you're saying yourself Richard, people just get fed up with having to «cherrypick» through every message and simply M-, quoting the whole thing. Feel free to disagree if you prefer a different approach, I'm always curious! -- Philipp Haselwarter ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: citation line above or below body?
Philipp Haselwarter philipp.haselwar...@gmx.de writes: ---8---[snipped 27 lines: everything :p]---8--- Well I tend to leave in just the parts I'm directly answering/referring to, which is usually the outermost level of citation. If someone wants to follow a thread, he can do just that - read the thread. When the whole conversation is quoted each time, it just gets messy, IMHO. Agreed and no one said the lot should be left : hence the cursor position at the top to encourage reread and snipping. Something I do tend to do but forget as well , not often but it happens - as do most people at some stage. And as you're saying yourself Richard, people just get fed up with having to «cherrypick» through every message and simply M-, quoting the whole thing. Feel free to disagree if you prefer a different approach, I'm always curious! No one would disagree that courteous snipping is a boon! Overly snipping is a hindrance in many groups were people dont keep a local copy and things can expire though. If any part of a reply refers to something snipped it is, of course, somewhat annoying to have to traverse the thread tree to see what it might be referring to. All in all I think we agree. The main crux of my comment though, which you snipped ;), was the part about *why* the cursor is where it is. I think it makes sense. In this case you oversnipped and for my comments to make sense I need to put some context back in :- I originally said this:- , | Its this way on purpose I would guess to encourage people to snip and to | review context. ` The one thing I must admit I dont like is the non standard supercite or whatever its called - I find the insertion of the authors initials on the left hand side totally non standard and very busy on the eyes - it almost drags your attention away from the thread itself. But all to their own. regards r. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: citation line above or below body?
On Mon, Jan 24 2011, Philipp Haselwarter wrote: G == Gary g...@garydjones.name writes: G Philipp Haselwarter wrote: G == Gary writes: G Eric Abrahamsen wrote: When I reply to messages and cite the original, point ends up below the citation line. This leads to weird threads, where my text ends up right below the so-and-so wrote: line G What do you mean? That you then type where the cursor is? You can G always move it down, you know :) In fact I would encourage you to do G so. That's the point. Moving down manually every time is a bit of a pain if you just want to quote and start typing. G Gnus isn't psychic. disagreed, sir ;) When you're using supercite, it's no big deal: (defun my-mv-pre-sign () (when (message-mail-p) (message-goto-signature) (previous-line 3))) For what it's worth, I ended up with this: --8---cut here---start-8--- (setq message-citation-line-function 'my-insert-citation-line) (defun my-insert-citation-line () (message-insert-formatted-citation-line) (when (message-mail-p) (delete-backward-char 1) (previous-line) (open-line 2))) --8---cut here---end---8--- So far, it has worked psychically. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: citation line above or below body?
On Wed, Jan 19 2011, Eric Abrahamsen wrote: When I reply to messages and cite the original, point ends up below the citation line. This leads to weird threads, where my text ends up right below the so-and-so wrote: line, and other people's mail programs don't seem to do it that way. That is the fault that leads to stupid top-posting. [...] but my question is: why is it like this, It is like this, because after replying you start on top, delete the parts you don't refer to (e.g. with `C-c C-e' - `message-elide-region'), and add your text after the parts you refer to. and will I be breaking anything if I fix it? Bye, Reiner. -- ,,, (o o) ---ooO-(_)-Ooo--- | PGP key available | http://rsteib.home.pages.de/ ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: citation line above or below body?
G == Gary g...@garydjones.name writes: G Eric Abrahamsen wrote: When I reply to messages and cite the original, point ends up below the citation line. This leads to weird threads, where my text ends up right below the so-and-so wrote: line G What do you mean? That you then type where the cursor is? You can G always move it down, you know :) In fact I would encourage you to do G so. That's the point. Moving down manually every time is a bit of a pain if you just want to quote and start typing. ---8---[snipped 19 lines]---8--- -- Philipp Haselwarter ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: citation line above or below body?
On Fri, Jan 21 2011, Philipp Haselwarter wrote: G == Gary g...@garydjones.name writes: G Eric Abrahamsen wrote: When I reply to messages and cite the original, point ends up below the citation line. This leads to weird threads, where my text ends up right below the so-and-so wrote: line G What do you mean? That you then type where the cursor is? You can G always move it down, you know :) In fact I would encourage you to do G so. That's the point. Moving down manually every time is a bit of a pain if you just want to quote and start typing. Actually, watching this thread in action, I realized what the difference is: for news-type threads, where there's a back-and-forth on specific points, the interleaved style is best (good to know these terms). In this case, gnus' behavior is fine, and point is left in an appropriate place, since I'm going to need to manually move it down to the spot I want to reply to, anyway. For more email-type threads, I want to top-post (the term I should have used in my original message), because my personal correspondence is much more traditional letter-style. I'm not rebutting them point-for-point, but just writing a reply. Sorry if my original message was unclear. Guess it's time to write a custom function for message-citation-line-function! Thanks, Eric ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
