retaining marked articles in summary buffer?
I usually mark articles that I want to read later with a * and it stays in the group, which is fine. However they disappear as new new articles come in and I have to get them back by hitting Y c . Is there a way to keep them in the summary buffer but the usual expiry of non marked articles happen? sivaram -- ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: retaining marked articles in summary buffer?
Sivaram Neelakantan writes: > I usually mark articles that I want to read later with a * and it > stays in the group, which is fine. However they disappear as new new > articles come in and I have to get them back by hitting Y c . Is there > a way to keep them in the summary buffer but the usual expiry of non > marked articles happen? I usually tick the articles, with "!". Does that work the way you want? ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: retaining marked articles in summary buffer?
On Sat, Feb 25 2017,Eric Abrahamsen wrote: > Sivaram Neelakantan writes: > >> I usually mark articles that I want to read later with a * and it >> stays in the group, which is fine. However they disappear as new new >> articles come in and I have to get them back by hitting Y c . Is there >> a way to keep them in the summary buffer but the usual expiry of non >> marked articles happen? > > I usually tick the articles, with "!". Does that work the way you want? > > Right, what's the difference between * and ! then? I was told to use * a few years back. I believe I mentioned that I wanted to keep the article around indefinitely sivaram -- ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: retaining marked articles in summary buffer?
Sivaram Neelakantan writes: > On Sat, Feb 25 2017,Eric Abrahamsen wrote: > >> Sivaram Neelakantan writes: >> >>> I usually mark articles that I want to read later with a * and it >>> stays in the group, which is fine. However they disappear as new new >>> articles come in and I have to get them back by hitting Y c . Is there >>> a way to keep them in the summary buffer but the usual expiry of non >>> marked articles happen? >> >> I usually tick the articles, with "!". Does that work the way you want? >> >> > > > Right, what's the difference between * and ! then? I was told to use > * a few years back. I believe I mentioned that I wanted to keep the > article around indefinitely I really don't know, unfortunately... I think all the cache does is say "keep a local copy of this message". Not necessarily, "I want this message visible at all times". From what I've seen, using ! also keeps a local copy, and keeps it visible. I don't know the difference in intent between the two. Eric ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: retaining marked articles in summary buffer?
Sivaram writes: > Right, what's the difference between * and ! then? I was told to use > * a few years back. I believe I mentioned that I wanted to keep the > article around indefinitely * stores a copy of the article on your local machine (article caching). ! makes the article show in the group, even though it is read (ticking). See: http://gnus.org/manual/gnus_37.html So if you are reading articles on a news server with a short retention time, you probably want to use both. Best regards, Adam -- "Your problem is you've got no common sense."Adam Sjøgren "I've got PLENTY of common sense! a...@koldfront.dk I just choose to ignore it." ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: retaining marked articles in summary buffer?
On Sun, 26 Feb 2017, Adam Sjøgren writes: > Sivaram writes: > >> Right, what's the difference between * and ! then? I was told to use >> * a few years back. I believe I mentioned that I wanted to keep the >> article around indefinitely > > * stores a copy of the article on your local machine (article caching). > ! makes the article show in the group, even though it is read (ticking). > > See: http://gnus.org/manual/gnus_37.html > > So if you are reading articles on a news server with a short retention > time, you probably want to use both. > > > Best regards, > > Adam When 'gnus-use-cache' is t, ticking (!) will also copy the article to the cache. See http://gnus.org/manual/gnus_42.html . Kind regards Enrico -- Enrico Schumann Lucerne, Switzerland http://enricoschumann.net ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: retaining marked articles in summary buffer?
On Sun, Feb 26 2017,Enrico Schumann wrote: > On Sun, 26 Feb 2017, Adam Sjøgren writes: [snipped 20 lines] > When 'gnus-use-cache' is t, ticking (!) will also copy the > article to the cache. See http://gnus.org/manual/gnus_42.html . > if it's set to t (gnus-use-cache), won't all articles be cached? I only want to do this for interesting articles sivaram -- ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: retaining marked articles in summary buffer?
Sivaram Neelakantan writes: > On Sun, Feb 26 2017,Enrico Schumann wrote: > >> On Sun, 26 Feb 2017, Adam Sjøgren writes: > > [snipped 20 lines] > >> When 'gnus-use-cache' is t, ticking (!) will also copy the >> article to the cache. See http://gnus.org/manual/gnus_42.html . >> > > if it's set to t (gnus-use-cache), won't all articles be cached? I > only want to do this for interesting articles Its default value, the symbol 'passive, should do what you want: only cache articles when you tell it to, with * or !. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: retaining marked articles in summary buffer?
On Sun, 26 Feb 2017, Eric Abrahamsen writes: > Sivaram Neelakantan writes: > >> On Sun, Feb 26 2017,Enrico Schumann wrote: >> >>> On Sun, 26 Feb 2017, Adam Sjøgren writes: >> >> [snipped 20 lines] >> >>> When 'gnus-use-cache' is t, ticking (!) will also copy the >>> article to the cache. See http://gnus.org/manual/gnus_42.html . >>> >> >> if it's set to t (gnus-use-cache), won't all articles be cached? I >> only want to do this for interesting articles > > Its default value, the symbol 'passive, should do what you want: only > cache articles when you tell it to, with * or !. Hm, I've just tested this, and with gnus-use-cache set to 'passive, Gnus does *not* cache articles that I tick with '!'. It may well be, as always, that I have something in my .gnus.el that prevents this :-) But it is also in line with the docs (http://gnus.org/manual/gnus_42.html): , | To turn caching on, set gnus-use-cache to t. By | default, all articles ticked or marked as dormant | will then be copied over to your local cache | (gnus-cache-directory). ` So only 'articles ticked or marked as dormant' are copied to the cache, not all articles. -- Enrico Schumann Lucerne, Switzerland http://enricoschumann.net ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: retaining marked articles in summary buffer?
Sivaram Neelakantan čálii: > On Sun, Feb 26 2017,Enrico Schumann wrote: > >> On Sun, 26 Feb 2017, Adam Sjøgren writes: > > [snipped 20 lines] > >> When 'gnus-use-cache' is t, ticking (!) will also copy the >> article to the cache. See http://gnus.org/manual/gnus_42.html . >> > > if it's set to t (gnus-use-cache), won't all articles be cached? I > only want to do this for interesting articles No, see Info gnus: To turn caching on, set ‘gnus-use-cache’ to ‘t’. By default, all articles ticked or marked as dormant will then be copied over to your local cache (‘gnus-cache-directory’). (That probably shouldn've been mentioned in the docstring for gnus-use-cache, which is rather misleading: "use the cache to the full extent of the law" sounds like "cache everything"). signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: retaining marked articles in summary buffer?
On Mon, Feb 27 2017,Kevin Brubeck Unhammer wrote: [snipped 12 lines] >> if it's set to t (gnus-use-cache), won't all articles be cached? I >> only want to do this for interesting articles > > No, see Info gnus: > > To turn caching on, set ‘gnus-use-cache’ to ‘t’. By default, all > articles ticked or marked as dormant will then be copied over to your > local cache (‘gnus-cache-directory’). > > (That probably shouldn've been mentioned in the docstring for > gnus-use-cache, which is rather misleading: "use the cache to the full > extent of the law" sounds like "cache everything"). > so setting cache to t and marking with it ! will keep the article around forever ignoring the expiry settings too, right? sivaram -- ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: retaining marked articles in summary buffer?
Enrico Schumann writes: > On Sun, 26 Feb 2017, Eric Abrahamsen writes: > >> Sivaram Neelakantan writes: >> >>> On Sun, Feb 26 2017,Enrico Schumann wrote: >>> On Sun, 26 Feb 2017, Adam Sjøgren writes: >>> >>> [snipped 20 lines] >>> When 'gnus-use-cache' is t, ticking (!) will also copy the article to the cache. See http://gnus.org/manual/gnus_42.html . >>> >>> if it's set to t (gnus-use-cache), won't all articles be cached? I >>> only want to do this for interesting articles >> >> Its default value, the symbol 'passive, should do what you want: only >> cache articles when you tell it to, with * or !. > > Hm, I've just tested this, and with gnus-use-cache set > to 'passive, Gnus does *not* cache articles that I tick > with '!'. It may well be, as always, that I have > something in my .gnus.el that prevents this :-) But it > is also in line with the docs > (http://gnus.org/manual/gnus_42.html): > > , > | To turn caching on, set gnus-use-cache to t. By > | default, all articles ticked or marked as dormant > | will then be copied over to your local cache > | (gnus-cache-directory). > ` > > So only 'articles ticked or marked as dormant' are > copied to the cache, not all articles. Right, I just looked through the code and it won't enter either * or ! articles into the cache when `gnus-use-cache' is 'passive. I guess you could set `gnus-use-cache' to t and see what happens. There are plenty of other knobs to twiddle to reduce the scope of articles that are cached. Eric ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: retaining marked articles in summary buffer?
On Monday, 27 Feb 2017 at 17:09, Eric Abrahamsen wrote: >> Hm, I've just tested this, and with gnus-use-cache set >> to 'passive, Gnus does *not* cache articles that I tick >> with '!'. It may well be, as always, that I have >> something in my .gnus.el that prevents this :-) But it >> is also in line with the docs So what does the 'passive setting accomplish? -- Eric S Fraga (GnuPG: 0xC89193D8FFFCF67D) signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: retaining marked articles in summary buffer?
Eric S Fraga writes: > On Monday, 27 Feb 2017 at 17:09, Eric Abrahamsen wrote: >>> Hm, I've just tested this, and with gnus-use-cache set >>> to 'passive, Gnus does *not* cache articles that I tick >>> with '!'. It may well be, as always, that I have >>> something in my .gnus.el that prevents this :-) But it >>> is also in line with the docs > > So what does the 'passive setting accomplish? It turns off all automatic caching making it an entirely manual process. The result is that * saves the article essentially forever (by entering it into the cache) and M-* removes is from the cache (usually deleting in the process). The manual calls this "Persistent Articles" and it's described in the section after "Article Caching". I found this a bit confusing. I'd have called that setting 'manual' rather than 'passive'. When gnus-use-cache is t (or anything other than nil or passive) then the list of marks in gnus-cache-enter-articles (by default dormant and ticked) will cause articles to be cached, and The marks in gnus-cache-remove-articles (by default read) will cause them to be removed. I think the only risk with setting gnus-use-cache to t is that the command gnus-jog-cache will try to cache everything unread. However, I suspect the OP's best choice is setting gnus-use-cache to passive but then setting the display group parameter to something like [unread tick cache] (That's an array you set it to.) -- Ben. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: retaining marked articles in summary buffer?
On Thursday, 2 Mar 2017 at 14:49, Ben Bacarisse wrote: > Eric S Fraga writes: [...] >> So what does the 'passive setting accomplish? > > It turns off all automatic caching making it an entirely manual process. > The result is that * saves the article essentially forever (by entering > it into the cache) and M-* removes is from the cache (usually deleting > in the process). > > The manual calls this "Persistent Articles" and it's described in the > section after "Article Caching". I found this a bit confusing. I'd > have called that setting 'manual' rather than 'passive'. Ah, okay, thanks! Yes, manual may be better than passive but passive now makes sense. -- Eric S Fraga (GnuPG: 0xC89193D8FFFCF67D) signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: retaining marked articles in summary buffer?
On Thu, Mar 02 2017,Ben Bacarisse wrote: [snipped 27 lines] > However, I suspect the OP's best choice is setting gnus-use-cache to > passive but then setting the display group parameter to something like > > [unread tick cache] > > (That's an array you set it to.) Will try this out. Thanks sivaram -- ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
