Re: [info-tech] Roll your own wireless
When I first started to work with Xirrus their price structure was such that this conversation would not be happening. Their prices were lower than what it would be to install any other system yourself. In the last few years it seems that they have increased their pricing, making other products able to offer solutions at a lower cost. Don't forget to take in account the cost/time for pulling cables to each AP, and make sure that all components are included when you are pricing equipment. I worked with one school who after the equipment was installed and setup discovered the management software they had been using was a time limited trial software, and after the install was complete had to pay for the management software. From: Richardson,Tony Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 8:24 AM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: RE: [info-tech] Roll your own wireless I have had site surveys done from Xirrus, Aruba and Ruckus so I have a pretty good handle on where the APs go for 1:1 coverage. They all pegged out pretty much the same locations. Even Xirrus was a good representation of the same locations just took less devices. From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of Pearson, Jeremy Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 8:19 AM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: RE: [info-tech] Roll your own wireless Our local telco is installing the wireless in our high school and central office building. They were more expensive than Xirrus, but our Board wanted the local vendor involved. They are guaranteeing the coverage and functionality of the system, and when it doesn't work, we just make a phone call. It is their problem. If you wanted to look at something to do yourself, one thing you may want to have done is the site survey, to at least tell you what you need and where to locate your APs. From that point on, you can do the install, purchase the equipment spec'd and save some money in those regards. There are too many variables with wireless, and I know from our site surveys here that I was amazed at the information that it showed. From there, we could have done everything ourselves. Just something to think about. Have a great weekend everyone!!! Jeremy From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of Richardson,Tony Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 7:29 AM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: RE: [info-tech] Roll your own wireless I know Xirrus is cool but they wanted $50,000.00 just to do my High School. It would cost $80,000.00 for my whole district. I can't believe they are that special. more convenience if anything. I would like to take some of the money not spent on Xirrus and put it into other technology. From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of Brad Kruse Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 6:08 PM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: Re: [info-tech] Roll your own wireless Tony, I know they are expensive, but Xirrus is great. We now have 400 laptops running of six of their access points in one building without issues. On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Scott Fosseen [Prairie Lakes AEA] wrote: I would guess it depends on your wireless goals. If you just need to supply a handful of devices connectivity it is not too much of an issue to install Access Points. If you are planning on getting into high density coverage to ensure sufficient bandwidth for many devices grouped together such as a 1-to-1 then working with an experienced installer may save you time and money. There are a few vendors such as Xirrus that include installation, and guarantee coverage as part of the equipment costs. From: Richardson,Tony Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 2:38 PM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: [info-tech] Roll your own wireless Anyone out there do your own (no vendor) wireless for your district? Is this dangerous from a support perspective? I was thinking of either HP/3COM or Aruba. Doesn't seem to be really that much cheaper. Input on this would help. -- Brad Kruse MNW Technology Coordinator 1601 15th St. Manson, IA 50563 712-830-9665
Re: [info-tech] Roll your own wireless
I think there are some things to think about. 1. HP no longer does their wireless with the module for your switch, great idea, just no market for it. 2. Putting in your own AP is not the same as putting in a XIRRUS or Aruba or other who does arrays. You may see where you need an access point, but are you gonna put in 16 Linksys or 3Com access points for the 1 (16 radio) Xirrus AP? 3. Infrastructure is infrastructure. Sure you can make a freeway with 5" of concrete, but in IOwa it will crack and be ruined in 5 years while the Autobon (spelling) uses something like 12" of concrete and they are good for longer periods of time. 4. Support Always a huge issue, you can pay an annual support contract, but over time that adds up. May be cheaper to pay it on the front end. 5. commonality. If there are 7 schools in the area that have the same set up as you, then you can share best practices and common issues. My 2 cents for Friday. Have a great weekend, YEAH CYCLONES! On Sep 3, 2010, at 8:24 AM, Richardson,Tony wrote: I have had site surveys done from Xirrus, Aruba and Ruckus so I have a pretty good handle on where the APs go for 1:1 coverage. They all pegged out pretty much the same locations. Even Xirrus was a good representation of the same locations just took less devices. From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us ] On Behalf Of Pearson, Jeremy Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 8:19 AM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: RE: [info-tech] Roll your own wireless Our local telco is installing the wireless in our high school and central office building. They were more expensive than Xirrus, but our Board wanted the local vendor involved. They are guaranteeing the coverage and functionality of the system, and when it doesn’t work, we just make a phone call. It is their problem. If you wanted to look at something to do yourself, one thing you may want to have done is the site survey, to at least tell you what you need and where to locate your APs. From that point on, you can do the install, purchase the equipment spec’d and save some money in those regards. There are too many variables with wireless, and I know from our site surveys here that I was amazed at the information that it showed. From there, we could have done everything ourselves. Just something to think about. Have a great weekend everyone!!! Jeremy From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us ] On Behalf Of Richardson,Tony Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 7:29 AM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: RE: [info-tech] Roll your own wireless I know Xirrus is cool but they wanted $50,000.00 just to do my High School. It would cost $80,000.00 for my whole district. I can’t believe they are that special… more convenience if anything. I would like to take some of the money not spent on Xirrus and put it into other technology. From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us ] On Behalf Of Brad Kruse Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 6:08 PM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: Re: [info-tech] Roll your own wireless Tony, I know they are expensive, but Xirrus is great. We now have 400 laptops running of six of their access points in one building without issues. On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Scott Fosseen [Prairie Lakes AEA] > wrote: I would guess it depends on your wireless goals. If you just need to supply a handful of devices connectivity it is not too much of an issue to install Access Points. If you are planning on getting into high density coverage to ensure sufficient bandwidth for many devices grouped together such as a 1-to-1 then working with an experienced installer may save you time and money. There are a few vendors such as Xirrus that include installation, and guarantee coverage as part of the equipment costs. From: Richardson,Tony Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 2:38 PM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: [info-tech] Roll your own wireless Anyone out there do your own (no vendor) wireless for your district? Is this dangerous from a support perspective? I was thinking of either HP/3COM or Aruba. Doesn’t seem to be really that much cheaper. Input on this would help. -- Brad Kruse MNW Technology Coordinator 1601 15th St. Manson, IA 50563 712-830-9665 -- "The most likely way for the world to be destroyed, most experts agree, is by accident. That's where we come in; we're computer professionals. We cause accidents." ~Nathaniel Borenstein -- Lance L. Lennon District Technology Director Eagle Grove Community School District 515-448-4749
RE: [info-tech] Roll your own wireless
I have had site surveys done from Xirrus, Aruba and Ruckus so I have a pretty good handle on where the APs go for 1:1 coverage. They all pegged out pretty much the same locations. Even Xirrus was a good representation of the same locations just took less devices. From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of Pearson, Jeremy Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 8:19 AM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: RE: [info-tech] Roll your own wireless Our local telco is installing the wireless in our high school and central office building. They were more expensive than Xirrus, but our Board wanted the local vendor involved. They are guaranteeing the coverage and functionality of the system, and when it doesn't work, we just make a phone call. It is their problem. If you wanted to look at something to do yourself, one thing you may want to have done is the site survey, to at least tell you what you need and where to locate your APs. From that point on, you can do the install, purchase the equipment spec'd and save some money in those regards. There are too many variables with wireless, and I know from our site surveys here that I was amazed at the information that it showed. From there, we could have done everything ourselves. Just something to think about. Have a great weekend everyone!!! Jeremy From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of Richardson,Tony Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 7:29 AM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: RE: [info-tech] Roll your own wireless I know Xirrus is cool but they wanted $50,000.00 just to do my High School. It would cost $80,000.00 for my whole district. I can't believe they are that special... more convenience if anything. I would like to take some of the money not spent on Xirrus and put it into other technology. From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of Brad Kruse Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 6:08 PM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: Re: [info-tech] Roll your own wireless Tony, I know they are expensive, but Xirrus is great. We now have 400 laptops running of six of their access points in one building without issues. On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Scott Fosseen [Prairie Lakes AEA] wrote: I would guess it depends on your wireless goals. If you just need to supply a handful of devices connectivity it is not too much of an issue to install Access Points. If you are planning on getting into high density coverage to ensure sufficient bandwidth for many devices grouped together such as a 1-to-1 then working with an experienced installer may save you time and money. There are a few vendors such as Xirrus that include installation, and guarantee coverage as part of the equipment costs. From: Richardson,Tony <mailto:trichard...@humboldt.k12.ia.us> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 2:38 PM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: [info-tech] Roll your own wireless Anyone out there do your own (no vendor) wireless for your district? Is this dangerous from a support perspective? I was thinking of either HP/3COM or Aruba. Doesn't seem to be really that much cheaper. Input on this would help. -- Brad Kruse MNW Technology Coordinator 1601 15th St. Manson, IA 50563 712-830-9665
RE: [info-tech] Roll your own wireless
Who really ever has enough time? We have to provide the technology they want
even if our stack of things to do is already overwhelming. It comes with the
job.
From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On
Behalf Of Karl Hehr
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 8:13 AM
To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us
Subject: Re: [info-tech] Roll your own wireless
It's not a Kia vs Lexus issue. It is more about if u feel u have the time to
support a wireless system that you installed. If u do go to town but u don't so
we bought the Xirrus.
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 3, 2010, at 8:03 AM, "Richardson,Tony"
wrote:
I agree you get what you pay for and flying an engineer in for repairs
is impressive, however because you purchase say the 3com/hp product or Aruba
from CDWG doesn’t mean you can’t purchase a support contract from HP or Aruba.
If I was to pay $80,000.00 to put XIRRUS wireless in I would expect no less
than the type of service you have received. I have money for wireless but not
that much. Would I have the LEXUS of wireless if I could afford it… yes
From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us
[mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of Karl Hehr
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 7:39 AM
To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us
Subject: Re: [info-tech] Roll your own wireless
Remember, you get what you pay for, when you "roll your own" you get
now guarantees and you are on your own. ANY of the wireless companies: Xirrus,
Ruckus, Cisco, they all stand behind their work. When YOU buy the APs and
install on your own, YOU are the only person to go to. When you are talking
about wireless you are talking mission critical stuff especially if you are a
1:1. I had an issue with our XIrrus arrays and they flew an engineer from
Arizona the next day to fix it on THEIR dime.One of the things I learned VERY
early is that you need to be able to put a value on your time, and for me at
least, my time is better used somewhere else, so get a wireless solution I can
install and ignore, and is guaranteed.
Karl H. Hehr
Technology/Curriculum Director
South Hamilton CSD
www.s-hamilton.k12.ia.us
515.827.5418 (W)
515.209.9767 (C)
515.827.5368 (F)
Luddite by Degrees
1) Anything that is in the world when you're born is normal and
ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works.
2) Anything that's invented between when you're 15 and 35 is new and
exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it.
3) Anything invented after you're 35 is again the natural order of
things
--- Douglas Adams
On Sep 3, 2010, at 7:29 AM, Richardson,Tony wrote:
I know Xirrus is cool but they wanted $50,000.00 just to do my High
School. It would cost $80,000.00 for my whole district. I can’t believe they
are that special… more convenience if anything. I would like to take some of
the money not spent on Xirrus and put it into other technology.
From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us
[mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of Brad Kruse
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 6:08 PM
To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us
Subject: Re: [info-tech] Roll your own wireless
Tony, I know they are expensive, but Xirrus is great. We now have 400
laptops running of six of their access points in one building without issues.
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Scott Fosseen [Prairie Lakes AEA]
wrote:
I would guess it depends on your wireless goals. If you just need to
supply a handful of devices connectivity it is not too much of an issue to
install Access Points. If you are planning on getting into high density
coverage to ensure sufficient bandwidth for many devices grouped together such
as a 1-to-1 then working with an experienced installer may save you time and
money.
There are a few vendors such as Xirrus that include installation, and
guarantee coverage as part of the equipment costs.
From: Richardson,Tony <mailto:trichard...@humboldt.k12.ia.us>
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 2:38 PM
To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us
Subject: [info-tech] Roll your own wireless
Anyone out there do your own (no vendor) wireless for your district? Is
this dangerous from a support
RE: [info-tech] Roll your own wireless
Our local telco is installing the wireless in our high school and central office building. They were more expensive than Xirrus, but our Board wanted the local vendor involved. They are guaranteeing the coverage and functionality of the system, and when it doesn't work, we just make a phone call. It is their problem. If you wanted to look at something to do yourself, one thing you may want to have done is the site survey, to at least tell you what you need and where to locate your APs. From that point on, you can do the install, purchase the equipment spec'd and save some money in those regards. There are too many variables with wireless, and I know from our site surveys here that I was amazed at the information that it showed. From there, we could have done everything ourselves. Just something to think about. Have a great weekend everyone!!! Jeremy From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of Richardson,Tony Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 7:29 AM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: RE: [info-tech] Roll your own wireless I know Xirrus is cool but they wanted $50,000.00 just to do my High School. It would cost $80,000.00 for my whole district. I can't believe they are that special... more convenience if anything. I would like to take some of the money not spent on Xirrus and put it into other technology. From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of Brad Kruse Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 6:08 PM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: Re: [info-tech] Roll your own wireless Tony, I know they are expensive, but Xirrus is great. We now have 400 laptops running of six of their access points in one building without issues. On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Scott Fosseen [Prairie Lakes AEA] mailto:sfoss...@aea8.k12.ia.us>> wrote: I would guess it depends on your wireless goals. If you just need to supply a handful of devices connectivity it is not too much of an issue to install Access Points. If you are planning on getting into high density coverage to ensure sufficient bandwidth for many devices grouped together such as a 1-to-1 then working with an experienced installer may save you time and money. There are a few vendors such as Xirrus that include installation, and guarantee coverage as part of the equipment costs. From: Richardson,Tony<mailto:trichard...@humboldt.k12.ia.us> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 2:38 PM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us<mailto:info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us> Subject: [info-tech] Roll your own wireless Anyone out there do your own (no vendor) wireless for your district? Is this dangerous from a support perspective? I was thinking of either HP/3COM or Aruba. Doesn't seem to be really that much cheaper. Input on this would help. -- Brad Kruse MNW Technology Coordinator 1601 15th St. Manson, IA 50563 712-830-9665
Re: [info-tech] Roll your own wireless
It's not a Kia vs Lexus issue. It is more about if u feel u have the time to support a wireless system that you installed. If u do go to town but u don't so we bought the Xirrus. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 3, 2010, at 8:03 AM, "Richardson,Tony" wrote: > I agree you get what you pay for and flying an engineer in for repairs is > impressive, however because you purchase say the 3com/hp product or Aruba > from CDWG doesn’t mean you can’t purchase a support contract from HP or > Aruba. If I was to pay $80,000.00 to put XIRRUS wireless in I would expect no > less than the type of service you have received. I have money for wireless > but not that much. Would I have the LEXUS of wireless if I could afford it… > yes > > > > From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] > On Behalf Of Karl Hehr > Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 7:39 AM > To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us > Subject: Re: [info-tech] Roll your own wireless > > > > Remember, you get what you pay for, when you "roll your own" you get now > guarantees and you are on your own. ANY of the wireless companies: Xirrus, > Ruckus, Cisco, they all stand behind their work. When YOU buy the APs and > install on your own, YOU are the only person to go to. When you are talking > about wireless you are talking mission critical stuff especially if you are a > 1:1. I had an issue with our XIrrus arrays and they flew an engineer from > Arizona the next day to fix it on THEIR dime.One of the things I learned VERY > early is that you need to be able to put a value on your time, and for me at > least, my time is better used somewhere else, so get a wireless solution I > can install and ignore, and is guaranteed. > > > > > > Karl H. Hehr > > Technology/Curriculum Director > > South Hamilton CSD > > www.s-hamilton.k12.ia.us > > 515.827.5418 (W) > > 515.209.9767 (C) > > 515.827.5368 (F) > > > > > > Luddite by Degrees > > 1) Anything that is in the world when you're born is normal and ordinary and > is just a natural part of the way the world works. > > 2) Anything that's invented between when you're 15 and 35 is new and exciting > and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it. > > 3) Anything invented after you're 35 is again the natural order of things > > > > > --- Douglas Adams > > > > > > > > > On Sep 3, 2010, at 7:29 AM, Richardson,Tony wrote: > > > > > I know Xirrus is cool but they wanted $50,000.00 just to do my High School. > It would cost $80,000.00 for my whole district. I can’t believe they are that > special… more convenience if anything. I would like to take some of the money > not spent on Xirrus and put it into other technology. > > > > From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] > On Behalf Of Brad Kruse > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 6:08 PM > To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us > Subject: Re: [info-tech] Roll your own wireless > > > > Tony, I know they are expensive, but Xirrus is great. We now have 400 > laptops running of six of their access points in one building without issues. > > On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Scott Fosseen [Prairie Lakes AEA] > wrote: > > I would guess it depends on your wireless goals. If you just need to supply > a handful of devices connectivity it is not too much of an issue to install > Access Points. If you are planning on getting into high density coverage to > ensure sufficient bandwidth for many devices grouped together such as a > 1-to-1 then working with an experienced installer may save you time and money. > > > > There are a few vendors such as Xirrus that include installation, and > guarantee coverage as part of the equipment costs. > > > > From: Richardson,Tony > > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 2:38 PM > > To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us > > Subject: [info-tech] Roll your own wireless > > > > Anyone out there do your own (no vendor) wireless for your district? Is this > dangerous from a support perspective? I was thinking of either HP/3COM or > Aruba. Doesn’t seem to be really that much cheaper. Input on this would help. > > > > > -- > Brad Kruse > MNW Technology Coordinator > 1601 15th St. > Manson, IA 50563 > 712-830-9665 > >
Re: [info-tech] Roll your own wireless
There must be another solution that is cheaper than Xirrus that works just as good. However, I did not find it and no one could recommend one for our needs. I hope you can find something and share it with all of us because I want to do another building next summer. On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 8:03 AM, Richardson,Tony < trichard...@humboldt.k12.ia.us> wrote: > I agree you get what you pay for and flying an engineer in for repairs is > impressive, however because you purchase say the 3com/hp product or Aruba > from CDWG doesn’t mean you can’t purchase a support contract from HP or > Aruba. If I was to pay $80,000.00 to put XIRRUS wireless in I would expect > no less than the type of service you have received. I have money for > wireless but not that much. Would I have the LEXUS of wireless if I could > afford it… yes > > > > *From:* info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto: > info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] *On Behalf Of *Karl Hehr > *Sent:* Friday, September 03, 2010 7:39 AM > *To:* info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us > *Subject:* Re: [info-tech] Roll your own wireless > > > > Remember, you get what you pay for, when you "roll your own" you get now > guarantees and you are on your own. ANY of the wireless companies: Xirrus, > Ruckus, Cisco, they all stand behind their work. When YOU buy the APs and > install on your own, YOU are the only person to go to. When you are talking > about wireless you are talking mission critical stuff especially if you are > a 1:1. I had an issue with our XIrrus arrays and they flew an engineer from > Arizona the next day to fix it on THEIR dime.One of the things I learned > VERY early is that you need to be able to put a value on your time, and for > me at least, my time is better used somewhere else, so get a wireless > solution I can install and ignore, and is guaranteed. > > > > > > Karl H. Hehr > > Technology/Curriculum Director > > South Hamilton CSD > > www.s-hamilton.k12.ia.us > > 515.827.5418 (W) > > 515.209.9767 (C) > > 515.827.5368 (F) > > > > > > Luddite by Degrees > > 1) Anything that is in the world when you're born is normal and ordinary > and is just a natural part of the way the world works. > > 2) Anything that's invented between when you're 15 and 35 is new and > exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it. > > 3) Anything invented after you're 35 is again the natural order of things > > > --- Douglas Adams > > > > > > > > On Sep 3, 2010, at 7:29 AM, Richardson,Tony wrote: > > > > I know Xirrus is cool but they wanted $50,000.00 just to do my High > School. It would cost $80,000.00 for my whole district. I can’t believe they > are that special… more convenience if anything. I would like to take some of > the money not spent on Xirrus and put it into other technology. > > > > *From:* info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto: > info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] *On Behalf Of *Brad Kruse > *Sent:* Thursday, September 02, 2010 6:08 PM > *To:* info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us > *Subject:* Re: [info-tech] Roll your own wireless > > > > Tony, I know they are expensive, but Xirrus is great. We now have 400 > laptops running of six of their access points in one building without > issues. > > On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Scott Fosseen [Prairie Lakes AEA] < > sfoss...@aea8.k12.ia.us> wrote: > > I would guess it depends on your wireless goals. If you just need to > supply a handful of devices connectivity it is not too much of an issue to > install Access Points. If you are planning on getting into high density > coverage to ensure sufficient bandwidth for many devices grouped together > such as a 1-to-1 then working with an experienced installer may save you > time and money. > > > > There are a few vendors such as Xirrus that include installation, and > guarantee coverage as part of the equipment costs. > > > > *From:* Richardson,Tony > > *Sent:* Thursday, September 02, 2010 2:38 PM > > *To:* info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us > > *Subject:* [info-tech] Roll your own wireless > > > > Anyone out there do your own (no vendor) wireless for your district? Is > this dangerous from a support perspective? I was thinking of either HP/3COM > or Aruba. Doesn’t seem to be really that much cheaper. Input on this would > help. > > > > > -- > Brad Kruse > MNW Technology Coordinator > 1601 15th St. > Manson, IA 50563 > 712-830-9665 > > > -- Brad Kruse MNW Technology Coordinator 1601 15th St. Manson, IA 50563 712-830-9665
RE: [info-tech] Roll your own wireless
I agree you get what you pay for and flying an engineer in for repairs is impressive, however because you purchase say the 3com/hp product or Aruba from CDWG doesn't mean you can't purchase a support contract from HP or Aruba. If I was to pay $80,000.00 to put XIRRUS wireless in I would expect no less than the type of service you have received. I have money for wireless but not that much. Would I have the LEXUS of wireless if I could afford it... yes From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of Karl Hehr Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 7:39 AM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: Re: [info-tech] Roll your own wireless Remember, you get what you pay for, when you "roll your own" you get now guarantees and you are on your own. ANY of the wireless companies: Xirrus, Ruckus, Cisco, they all stand behind their work. When YOU buy the APs and install on your own, YOU are the only person to go to. When you are talking about wireless you are talking mission critical stuff especially if you are a 1:1. I had an issue with our XIrrus arrays and they flew an engineer from Arizona the next day to fix it on THEIR dime.One of the things I learned VERY early is that you need to be able to put a value on your time, and for me at least, my time is better used somewhere else, so get a wireless solution I can install and ignore, and is guaranteed. Karl H. Hehr Technology/Curriculum Director South Hamilton CSD www.s-hamilton.k12.ia.us 515.827.5418 (W) 515.209.9767 (C) 515.827.5368 (F) Luddite by Degrees 1) Anything that is in the world when you're born is normal and ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works. 2) Anything that's invented between when you're 15 and 35 is new and exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it. 3) Anything invented after you're 35 is again the natural order of things --- Douglas Adams On Sep 3, 2010, at 7:29 AM, Richardson,Tony wrote: I know Xirrus is cool but they wanted $50,000.00 just to do my High School. It would cost $80,000.00 for my whole district. I can't believe they are that special... more convenience if anything. I would like to take some of the money not spent on Xirrus and put it into other technology. From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of Brad Kruse Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 6:08 PM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: Re: [info-tech] Roll your own wireless Tony, I know they are expensive, but Xirrus is great. We now have 400 laptops running of six of their access points in one building without issues. On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Scott Fosseen [Prairie Lakes AEA] wrote: I would guess it depends on your wireless goals. If you just need to supply a handful of devices connectivity it is not too much of an issue to install Access Points. If you are planning on getting into high density coverage to ensure sufficient bandwidth for many devices grouped together such as a 1-to-1 then working with an experienced installer may save you time and money. There are a few vendors such as Xirrus that include installation, and guarantee coverage as part of the equipment costs. From: Richardson,Tony <mailto:trichard...@humboldt.k12.ia.us> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 2:38 PM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: [info-tech] Roll your own wireless Anyone out there do your own (no vendor) wireless for your district? Is this dangerous from a support perspective? I was thinking of either HP/3COM or Aruba. Doesn't seem to be really that much cheaper. Input on this would help. -- Brad Kruse MNW Technology Coordinator 1601 15th St. Manson, IA 50563 712-830-9665
Re: [info-tech] Roll your own wireless
Remember, you get what you pay for, when you "roll your own" you get now guarantees and you are on your own. ANY of the wireless companies: Xirrus, Ruckus, Cisco, they all stand behind their work. When YOU buy the APs and install on your own, YOU are the only person to go to. When you are talking about wireless you are talking mission critical stuff especially if you are a 1:1. I had an issue with our XIrrus arrays and they flew an engineer from Arizona the next day to fix it on THEIR dime.One of the things I learned VERY early is that you need to be able to put a value on your time, and for me at least, my time is better used somewhere else, so get a wireless solution I can install and ignore, and is guaranteed. Karl H. Hehr Technology/Curriculum Director South Hamilton CSD www.s-hamilton.k12.ia.us 515.827.5418 (W) 515.209.9767 (C) 515.827.5368 (F) Luddite by Degrees 1) Anything that is in the world when you're born is normal and ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works. 2) Anything that's invented between when you're 15 and 35 is new and exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it. 3) Anything invented after you're 35 is again the natural order of things --- Douglas Adams On Sep 3, 2010, at 7:29 AM, Richardson,Tony wrote: > I know Xirrus is cool but they wanted $50,000.00 just to do my High School. > It would cost $80,000.00 for my whole district. I can’t believe they are that > special… more convenience if anything. I would like to take some of the money > not spent on Xirrus and put it into other technology. > > From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] > On Behalf Of Brad Kruse > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 6:08 PM > To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us > Subject: Re: [info-tech] Roll your own wireless > > Tony, I know they are expensive, but Xirrus is great. We now have 400 > laptops running of six of their access points in one building without issues. > > On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Scott Fosseen [Prairie Lakes AEA] > wrote: > I would guess it depends on your wireless goals. If you just need to supply > a handful of devices connectivity it is not too much of an issue to install > Access Points. If you are planning on getting into high density coverage to > ensure sufficient bandwidth for many devices grouped together such as a > 1-to-1 then working with an experienced installer may save you time and money. > > There are a few vendors such as Xirrus that include installation, and > guarantee coverage as part of the equipment costs. > > From: Richardson,Tony > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 2:38 PM > To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us > Subject: [info-tech] Roll your own wireless > > Anyone out there do your own (no vendor) wireless for your district? Is this > dangerous from a support perspective? I was thinking of either HP/3COM or > Aruba. Doesn’t seem to be really that much cheaper. Input on this would help. > > > > -- > Brad Kruse > MNW Technology Coordinator > 1601 15th St. > Manson, IA 50563 > 712-830-9665
RE: [info-tech] Roll your own wireless
We use an HP Solution, I installed it with my current Procurve switches, works great, I have more then 6 A.P.'s around my building but for what I have spent already I have barely touched what 2 Xirrus arrays cost. I also have the controller for it. Works awesome, no problems(Knock on wood). Mitchell Mueller Emmetsburg Community School Network Administrator mmuel...@emmetsburg.k12.ia.us www.emmetsburg.k12.ia.us Twitter ID: mmueller2680 From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of Brad Kruse Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 6:08 PM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: Re: [info-tech] Roll your own wireless Tony, I know they are expensive, but Xirrus is great. We now have 400 laptops running of six of their access points in one building without issues. On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Scott Fosseen [Prairie Lakes AEA] wrote: I would guess it depends on your wireless goals. If you just need to supply a handful of devices connectivity it is not too much of an issue to install Access Points. If you are planning on getting into high density coverage to ensure sufficient bandwidth for many devices grouped together such as a 1-to-1 then working with an experienced installer may save you time and money. There are a few vendors such as Xirrus that include installation, and guarantee coverage as part of the equipment costs. From: Richardson,Tony <mailto:trichard...@humboldt.k12.ia.us> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 2:38 PM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: [info-tech] Roll your own wireless Anyone out there do your own (no vendor) wireless for your district? Is this dangerous from a support perspective? I was thinking of either HP/3COM or Aruba. Doesn't seem to be really that much cheaper. Input on this would help. -- Brad Kruse MNW Technology Coordinator 1601 15th St. Manson, IA 50563 712-830-9665
RE: [info-tech] Roll your own wireless
I know Xirrus is cool but they wanted $50,000.00 just to do my High School. It would cost $80,000.00 for my whole district. I can't believe they are that special... more convenience if anything. I would like to take some of the money not spent on Xirrus and put it into other technology. From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of Brad Kruse Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 6:08 PM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: Re: [info-tech] Roll your own wireless Tony, I know they are expensive, but Xirrus is great. We now have 400 laptops running of six of their access points in one building without issues. On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Scott Fosseen [Prairie Lakes AEA] wrote: I would guess it depends on your wireless goals. If you just need to supply a handful of devices connectivity it is not too much of an issue to install Access Points. If you are planning on getting into high density coverage to ensure sufficient bandwidth for many devices grouped together such as a 1-to-1 then working with an experienced installer may save you time and money. There are a few vendors such as Xirrus that include installation, and guarantee coverage as part of the equipment costs. From: Richardson,Tony <mailto:trichard...@humboldt.k12.ia.us> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 2:38 PM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: [info-tech] Roll your own wireless Anyone out there do your own (no vendor) wireless for your district? Is this dangerous from a support perspective? I was thinking of either HP/3COM or Aruba. Doesn't seem to be really that much cheaper. Input on this would help. -- Brad Kruse MNW Technology Coordinator 1601 15th St. Manson, IA 50563 712-830-9665
Re: [info-tech] Roll your own wireless
Tony, I know they are expensive, but Xirrus is great. We now have 400 laptops running of six of their access points in one building without issues. On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Scott Fosseen [Prairie Lakes AEA] < sfoss...@aea8.k12.ia.us> wrote: > I would guess it depends on your wireless goals. If you just need to > supply a handful of devices connectivity it is not too much of an issue to > install Access Points. If you are planning on getting into high density > coverage to ensure sufficient bandwidth for many devices grouped together > such as a 1-to-1 then working with an experienced installer may save you > time and money. > > There are a few vendors such as Xirrus that include installation, and > guarantee coverage as part of the equipment costs. > > *From:* Richardson,Tony > *Sent:* Thursday, September 02, 2010 2:38 PM > *To:* info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us > *Subject:* [info-tech] Roll your own wireless > > Anyone out there do your own (no vendor) wireless for your district? Is > this dangerous from a support perspective? I was thinking of either HP/3COM > or Aruba. Doesn’t seem to be really that much cheaper. Input on this would > help. > -- Brad Kruse MNW Technology Coordinator 1601 15th St. Manson, IA 50563 712-830-9665
Re: [info-tech] Roll your own wireless
I would guess it depends on your wireless goals. If you just need to supply a handful of devices connectivity it is not too much of an issue to install Access Points. If you are planning on getting into high density coverage to ensure sufficient bandwidth for many devices grouped together such as a 1-to-1 then working with an experienced installer may save you time and money. There are a few vendors such as Xirrus that include installation, and guarantee coverage as part of the equipment costs. From: Richardson,Tony Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 2:38 PM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: [info-tech] Roll your own wireless Anyone out there do your own (no vendor) wireless for your district? Is this dangerous from a support perspective? I was thinking of either HP/3COM or Aruba. Doesn't seem to be really that much cheaper. Input on this would help.
