Re: Questions about ask.fp.o

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi

On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Kevin Fenzi  wrote:

> * Moderation actually works MUCH MUCH better. All new users are
>   moderated, but then if any moderator approves them they are free to
>   post and all other moderators don't see them in their queue anymore.
>   Also, there's a easy 'spammer' button to disapprove someone and all
>   their posts and mark them as a blocked user.


The last feature was requested by me a long time back and I am glad it is
deployed now.  IMO, we should turn off moderation and if a spammer comes
back, blocking them and deleting all questions as a single step in the
latest release makes it much easier to handle them.  Moderation does work
much better than before but it is a still a step that new users have to go
through and I would rather not use it unless we really need it.  Something
to consider

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Re: Ask Fedora and SPAM again

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi

On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:13 PM, Ankur Sinha 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I've filed an RFE for Akismet alternatives:
> http://askbot.org/en/question/12507/alternatives-to-akismet/
>
> Mollom looks nice, and it's open source too. There's already a
> django-mollom module available:
> https://pypi.python.org/pypi/django-mollom/0.1
>

Mollom has the same problem as Akismet.  It is backed by a proprietary
service.

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package changes and comps

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi

Not sure whether fedmsg or something else can handle this but throwing it
out there if anyone is interested.  I just split up a package which is
listed in comps.xml and it would have been quite easy to miss adding the
sub package (deja-dup-nautilus in this case) and new users wouldn't get the
nautilus extension.  IIRC this happened with file-roller earlier.

Would it be feasible to check when spec file changes intro a new sub
package, verify that the package is listed in comps and send a note to the
package maintainer reminding them about potential changes they might need
to make in comps?  Also when someone is introducing a new package, a
similar note would be useful

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Re: packages and bugs

[Rahul Sundaram]

HI

On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:

> On Sun, 5 Oct 2014 07:03:24 -0400
>
> Well, the footer says:
>
> "Found a bug? File a ticket. Note: There's some caching going on here.
> If you expect something and don't see it, check back in 5 minutes."
>
> So, it should really be pretty short... sounds like something has gone
> wrong with caching. ;( Can you file a ticket on it?
>

Unfortunately I missed it because the footer is almost invisible in my
browser unless I explicit select the text.  Probably a rendering issue.
So, I have filed

https://github.com/fedora-infra/fedora-packages/issues/113

https://github.com/fedora-infra/fedora-packages/issues/114

Thanks

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packages and bugs

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi

https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/ apparently caches the bug list and
seems out of date and misleading.  How often is the cache updated?

For example,

https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/opus/bugs/all shows no bug report
filed while bugzilla search gives a more current status.

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Re: Python/Django developers needed: Ask Fedora

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hey Mayank,

On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 2:28 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:


> On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 1:01 AM, Mayank Jha  wrote:
>
> Hey, I am also willing to contribute. I know django, pretty much.
>>
>>
> Thank you for volunteering.  Take a look at
>
>
> http://askbot.org/en/question/12686/english-rss-feed-show-non-english-posts/
>


 Did you have a chance to look at this?  If you have any questions let me
know

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Re: Python/Django developers needed: Ask Fedora

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi

On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 12:30 AM,  wrote:

> Awesome! I can do this, I can have something by Thursday :) been very busy
> with my new job but am off the day after tomorrow
>

Thank you.  Would you mind providing a status update when you are ready?
Appreciate your help.

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Re: Python/Django developers needed: Ask Fedora

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi

On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 1:01 AM, Mayank Jha  wrote:

> Hey, I am also willing to contribute. I know django, pretty much.
>
>
Thank you for volunteering.  Take a look at

http://askbot.org/en/question/12686/english-rss-feed-show-non-english-posts/

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Re: Python/Django developers needed: Ask Fedora

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi

On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 7:50 PM, Nerdsville LLC wrote:

> I do django and would be interested
>

Excellent.  Thanks for volunteering.  Here is a feature request for you to
get started

http://askbot.org/en/question/11506/rfe-when-marking-as-duplicate-let-users-specify-the-duplicate-question/

The source code is at

https://github.com/ASKBOT/askbot-devel/tree/master/askbot

The usual method of working is just fork it in github and send in a pull
request referencing the above question.  If you have any questions, feel
free to ping me offlist

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Python/Django developers needed: Ask Fedora

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi

Ask Fedora (http://ask.fedoraproject.org) uses Askbot which is a Django
based web application.   We need a few developers to implement some bug
fixes and features for askbot and while upstream developers are active,
our requirements are pretty high.  So if anyone here wants to help out,
please ping me offlist and I can describe the things we would like to see
implemented quickly.  Some of them shouldn't take much of your time if you
are a Django developer and would help our moderators and users quite a lot.

Thanks,
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Re: fedmsg in Debian

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi

On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote:

> You can do that already.  The 'youtube-dl' package offers this
> capability, and you can download any of these videos now in the free
> webm format.


Yes,  I happen to be a co-maintainer of youtube-dl but I think publishing
the videos in a free format directly is a promotion of that format as well
which I think is aligned with Fedora's interests.  Just a suggestion

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Re: Adding Fedora applications to gnome-software as webapps

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi

On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:

>
> Which the Board has asked for anyway.
>

Yes indeed.

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Re: Adding Fedora applications to gnome-software as webapps

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi

On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 8:08 PM, Ankur Sinha  wrote:

> I don't expect advanced users to use them much - we already have 100+
> tabs open in FF, one more won't hurt.
>

Thanks for the detailed response.  It won't hurt advanced users as long as
it is clearly visible in GNOME Software that it is a web app

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Re: Adding Fedora applications to gnome-software as webapps

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi

On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 4:36 AM, Ankur Sinha wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I recently ran in to epiphany web apps, and how gnome-software ships
> them. I think it'll be really cool to have the different fedora-apps
> listed in gnome-software too along with the currently present set. I've
> already submitted a patch that includes Ask Fedora, for example[1]. I
>

How is a bookmark different from a "web app"?


>
> [1] https://github.com/hughsie/fedora-appstream/pull/137


Might want to add a lot more keywords:  "help",  "support"  "community"
etc.  I would probably leave out "askbot".

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Re: fedmsg in Debian

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi

On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 1:40 AM, Ankur Sinha  wrote:

>
> Probably worth speaking to the marketing team about this, Rahul. I'll
> bring it up on the videos ML too. We may be able to post process videos
> to improve them.


Thanks and if you do, I would love to see them published in a free format.
I am probably in the minority here but I download videos and watch them
when I am traveling.

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Re: fedmsg in Debian

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi


On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Ricky Elrod wrote:

> On 09/06/2014 01:37 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>
> > On a side note, it would be nice if Flock managed to produce such videos
>
> This happens already. :) See:
> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQIXiF6fxPCtHw_XwHFq6nA/videos
>

Several of those have poor audio and video quality, the questioners don't
have mics and speakers aren't repeating the questions at times and several
speakers are out of focus among other things.  It is a much worse
experience than the debian videos.

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fedmsg in Debian

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi

Just FYI

http://meetings-archive.debian.net/pub/debian-meetings/2014/debconf14/webm/One_year_of_fedmsg_in_Debian.webm

On a side note, it would be nice if Flock managed to produce such videos

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Re: Ask Fedora being badgered by spam

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi

On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 5:44 AM, Ankur Sinha  wrote:

>
> I've filed a trac ticket to track this:
>
> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/4483
>

Thanks.  FWIW, I have disabled content moderation in Ask Fedora since the
persistent spammer we had seems to have given up (one can hope!).  Please
keep an eye out for any spam issues as we get close to deploying this module

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Re: Ask Fedora being badgered by spam

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi


On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Michael Scherer wrote:

> This was merged upstream, and released as 1.4.2 :
> https://pypi.python.org/pypi/stopforumspam/
>

Thanks Michael!  Ankur,  can you take a look at this, please?  Appreciate
your help.

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Re: Transifex has become proprietary

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi


On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Pierre-Yves Chibon  wrote:

> What are they?
>

I haven't spent a lot of time looking up alternatives but I am aware of the
following:

http://zanata.org/ developed by Red Hat

Translatewiki which is apparently what MediaGoblin is considering

https://issues.mediagoblin.org/ticket/913

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Transifex has become proprietary

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi

Unfortunately it looks like Transifex has become proprietary and Fedora
moving to using Transifex.com has been cited as one of the reasons why it
wasn't important anymore for them to maintain a open source version.

https://github.com/transifex/transifex/issues/206#issuecomment-15243207

Should we consider alternatives?

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Re: Ask Fedora being badgered by spam

[Rahul Sundaram]

HI


On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 11:32 AM, Michael Scherer  wrote:

> I pushed directly a PR for that:
> https://github.com/benjaoming/django-stopforumspam/pull/7
>
> However, I didn't test it, so that likely mean it is buggy and I forgot
> something :)
>

Thanks!

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Re: Ask Fedora being badgered by spam

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi


On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 5:29 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:

>
> Yeah. If it supported X-Forwarded-For headers we could have it use
> those to get the users real address.
>

@Ankur,  would you mind filing this request upstream?

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Re: Ask Fedora being badgered by spam

[Rahul Sundaram]

HI


On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 11:45 PM, Kevin Fenzi  wrote:

> If we can get the package to look at a header, we might be able to add
> a proxied-for header with the real ip in it?
>

So, what is the solution here?  File a RFE upstream for functionality?

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Re: Ask Fedora being badgered by spam

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi


On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 12:29 AM, Chris A. Roberts  wrote:

> If we can use askimet we should go that route, I talked to suehle and we
> can get a membership $5 for the commercial site license. It works wonders
> on the Fedora Magazine.
>

Interesting.  Fedora Magazine is hosted within Fedora infrastructure and my
understanding is that as per current policy, one is not allowed to use a
third party proprietary service.

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Re: Ask Fedora being badgered by spam

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi


On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 11:04 PM, Ankur Sinha wrote:

>
> http://ankursinha.fedorapeople.org/python-django-stopforumspam/el5/
>
> I'll install it on staging when I get the time. How would I create spam
> to test it, though?
>
> https://pypi.python.org/pypi/stopforumspam/ claims that you can add your
own ip address to the db using django admin.  If that is feasible, that
gives you a quick way to test it

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Re: Ask Fedora being badgered by spam

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi


On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 5:21 AM, Ankur Sinha wrote:

>
>
> http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/python-django-stopforumspam.git/tree/python-django-stopforumspam.spec
>

Before you branch for EPEL,  you can use a scratch build perhaps in the
staging environment and confirm that it works as intended?  We don't want
to end up maintaining things that don't suit our needs

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Re: Ask Fedora being badgered by spam

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi


On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 5:26 PM, Kevin Fenzi  wrote:

> Has it changed anything? Doesn't seem to have...
>
> It does.  I found some spam and regular posts in the moderation queue and
had to approve/reject them explicitly.  Not all posts go through the queue
however.  Perhaps it is based on karma value.  Not sure

 Not sure, it's not really clear... Are we a 'non-commercial site'?

>
> http://akismet.com/plans/
>

That sounds like a question for Fedora legal

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Re: Ask Fedora being badgered by spam

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi


On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 12:49 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:

>
> Do you know what the 'Enable content moderation' setting does?
>
> If this just moderates all new questions, perhaps we could do this?
> Then, their spam wouldn't ever get out of the moderation queue at all.
>

Yes, I have done this earlier today.

> I'd prefer to avoid recapcha, or askimet if we can... if we must tho,

> askimet is already in, so it would be much easier to enable it seems
> like.
>

I thought askimet is only free for personal use

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Re: Ask Fedora being badgered by spam

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi


On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 1:43 AM, Kevin Fenzi  wrote:

> Sadly they just did twice. ;(
>
> I blocked them in less than a minute, but they are definitely not gone.
>

I jinxed it!  In any case, is it feasible for us to consider recaptcha
support?  About six patches we can cherry pick from upstream

https://github.com/ASKBOT/askbot-devel/commits/master/askbot

I understand the concerns about the non-free nature of the service but this
will atleast slow them considerably even if it is done temporarily

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Re: Ask Fedora being badgered by spam

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi

On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:

> Hi
>
>
> On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Stephen Gallagher  wrote:
>
>> If they're all coming in through Yahoo, then disabling that would be a
>> stopgap at least until we can find a more effective anti-spam solution.
>>
>
> I have done that now.  Lets see if it helps
>

Second reply:  it appears that disabling the yahoo login did work, atleast
for now.  I haven't seen the spammer re-appear after that point.

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Re: Ask Fedora being badgered by spam

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi


On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Stephen John Smoogen

>
> I would say finding throttle software which allows one post per minute to
> make it more expensive for them to post a lot. The goal is to make it
> expensive enough that they will want to go somewhere else versus keep at it
> here.
>

I have filed a RFE

http://askbot.org/en/question/12508/rate-limit-user-postings/

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Re: Ask Fedora being badgered by spam

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi


On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Stephen Gallagher  wrote:

> If they're all coming in through Yahoo, then disabling that would be a
> stopgap at least until we can find a more effective anti-spam solution.
>

I have done that now.  Lets see if it helps

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Re: Ask Fedora being badgered by spam

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi

FWIW,  I have deleted well over a dozen accounts and hundred questions in
the last few days and several new user accounts even after this mail was
posted.  It is likely a single persistent spammer and perhaps scripted.
Some serious measures are needed at this point since some of us constantly
deleting users accounts and postings just isn't scalable.

Possible options

* Block by IP address
* Limit open id signs to just Fedora accounts
* https://pypi.python.org/pypi/stopforumspam/
* https://www.djangopackages.com/grids/g/anti-spam/

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Re: Disabling unused languages in Ask Fedora

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi


On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 3:29 PM, Kevin Fenzi  wrote:

> I only see Hungarian in production that has 0 posts.
>
> Greek and Chinese both have 1.
>
> Should we just disable Hungarian? Or also the ones with just 1 post?
>

I would say all three and if the local community wants it enabled again,
they will have to make sure it is being used and moderated actively.  That
would include deleting spam, cleaning up tags etc.

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Re: Disabling unused languages in Ask Fedora

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi


On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 11:53 PM, Kevin Fenzi  wrote:

>
> Yeah, I'm fine with disabling the ones that have 0 posts and we can try
> again down the road...
>

Yeah.  Let's do that then.  Thanks!

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Disabling unused languages in Ask Fedora

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi

I was happy to support I18N in Ask Fedora but its been a while and some
languages are just not used at all with zero postings in them.  If this
continues, I think it might be better to disable them again.  Thoughts?

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Re: Sync github projects on fedorahosted

[Rahul Sundaram]

On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Pierre-Yves Chibon  wrote:

> This looks really quite nice, I should have checked for it before opening
> the
> ticket.
>

What are you planning to do to preserve the history of the tickets filed in
github?

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Re: Ask Fedora: Do we need to add a "solved" tag to answered questions to increase visibility in search engines

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi


On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 11:39 AM, Matthew Miller wrote:

> We don't need to clone Stack Exchange, but in order to be successful in a
> similar way, we're _really_ far away. The entire notification system needs
> to be rebuilt. Same with flagging and moderation in general. This is a lot
> of work.
>

I don't know what you have in mind.  If you could describe the feature
wishlist in a lot more detail, that would help.

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Re: Ask Fedora: Do we need to add a "solved" tag to answered questions to increase visibility in search engines

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi


On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 10:36 AM, Matthew Miller  wrote:

> Agreed. My points are a) it needs a big investment and will likely continue
> to need it in order to keep up in usability and b) there is an opportunity
> cost in chosing to put effort in any one thing. I think having community QA
> is important, but in my personal judgment some of these other things are
> more pressing.
>

Perhaps.  I don't think Fedora has invested much in terms of growing the
user community.  Our investments have almost always been contributor
focused and as I have highlighted before, without a user community, it is
unlikely we will continue to grow as a project.   If someone wants to go
the StackExchange route,  it is feasible to do a cost evaluation of the
move vs implementing the features we need in Askbot.  We are not competing
with StackExchange overall and don't need all of what they provide to
satisfy our requirements and I think there are benefits to sticking with
Askbot in terms of I18N, customization etc.

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Re: Ask Fedora: Do we need to add a "solved" tag to answered questions to increase visibility in search engines

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi


On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 10:25 AM, Matthew Miller . As

> I've said before, I blame the software, not the people (and that includes
> not blaming the askbot authors -- it's just a really hard act to follow and
> SE is constantly improving and tweaking to get the experience just right).
>

There is no particular reason Fedora as a project couldn't do it too.
Other web applications hosted by Fedora typically has Red Hat paying
developers to work on them  -  pkgdb, bodhi, tagger etc.  Unfortunately I
haven't been able to get Red Hat to allocate some engineering time or just
engage the upstream developers via a contract which they are open to do.  I
did try via Spot earlier but that didn't work out.

We do get community volunteers to help out by pushing patches upstream
whenever we can but naturally that is a slower process.  In the last few
days, I have talked to atleast three different people who have signed up to
complete a few features we need  (marking questions as duplicate,
pre-filled templates and disabling flags FYI).   If we care about the user
experience, we need to invest in it.

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Re: ask fedora -- explanations for edits?

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi


On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 4:53 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:

> What happened to the form where you could explain why you made an edit? Did
> we lose that in the update?
>

Seems like it.   We should get that filed upstream

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Re: Ask Fedora: Do we need to add a "solved" tag to answered questions to increase visibility in search engines

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi


On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 10:17 PM, Ankur Sinha  wrote:


> - Add "Please do not add the [Solved] keyword to your question
> summaries. If you received an answer that solved the issue, please mark
> the answer as correct and reward the helper with karma." to the user
> guidelines.
>
>
I think this is the right approach


> Now, the addition of the term "solved" somewhere in the question does
> help in a way: it helps improve search results, say google/bing/whatever
> (This is based on my basic understanding of SEO etc, please correct me
> if I'm mistaken).
>

Not sure that is true.  If one searches within Ask Fedora, ideally the
search order should bring up questions with correct answer marked first,
followed by answers order by higher karma score.  That way good answers
come up first within Ask Fedora.  I don't think that changes how search
engines orders the results however

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Re: About cnucnu web

[Rahul Sundaram]

HI


On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Pierre-Yves Chibon  wrote:

> On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 11:36:54AM +0800, Christopher Meng wrote:
> > On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 10:11 PM, Pierre-Yves Chibon
> >  wrote:
> > > * Domain name suggestions? (release-monitoring.org, cnucnu.org,
> cnucnuweb.org,
> > > ?)
> >
> > releases-monitoring.org maybe the best among these three. I think some
> > guys may already know ROSA's ABI tracker and use it for comparing
> > ABI/API differences. http://upstream-tracker.org. It's free and open
> > for all users without OS limitation. And users can know its usage from
> > the name quickly.
>
> Any other vote for the domain name? :)
>

FWIW, I am for release-monitoring.org as well

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Re: state of the askbot

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi


On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 8:08 PM, Ankur Sinha  wrote:

> On Sat, 2014-01-18 at 10:28 -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> > So, after the migration I guess you could go in and do these?
> > Do we have a list or just want to do them as we see them?
>
> We don't have a list yet. The first set of tags to get rid of would be
> all that are prefixed by hashes. I guess we could do this manually once
> a few weeks?


If it is the same set of tags, we can setup a cron job that does it and
keeping adding to that list as we find out the common tags to rename. Also,
delete_unused_tags could be run routinely as well

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Re: state of the askbot

[Rahul Sundaram]

HI

On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 4:23 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:

> On Sat, 18 Jan 2014 16:21:06 -0500
> Rahul Sundaram  wrote:
>
> >
> > I have posted at
> >
> > http://askbot.org/en/question/12111/improving-multi-language-support<http://askbot.org/en/question/12111/improving-multi-language-support/Willfile>
>
> Great.
>

I have updated the issues list above to include support for filtering
languages


> I would think we might be able to also do french, as we have a lot of
> contributors there and fedora.fr is pretty active...
>

Indeed.  Posted to ambassadors list

https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/ambassadors/2014-January/022012.html

Thanks!

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Re: state of the askbot

[Rahul Sundaram]

HI


On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 1:42 PM, Kevin Fenzi  wrote:

> Ok. I have the multilang support running in stg.
>
> I asked a question in esperanto:
>
>
> https://ask.stg.fedoraproject.org/eo/question/190/cu-esperanto-iam-tuj-vere-popularigis/
>
> Some impressions:
>
> * The drop down seems to put languages in a random order here. That
>   doesn't seem very ideal. :(
>


>
> * The language selector at the top seems out of place... it's on a line
>   by itself at the very top.
>

I have posted at

http://askbot.org/en/question/12111/improving-multi-language-support/Willfile
this too


>
> * Are we really going to have folks in all these communities to
>   moderate? I'd hate for some of them to get filled with spam or
>   offtopic stuff. Perhaps we could target only the ones we know we have
>   someone looking after?
>

Yes.  I would say we selectively enable two or three (Spanish, Greek and
Chinese) at first and expand as we move forward.  I will post ambassadors
list and devel list to reach out first.

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Re: state of the askbot

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi


On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Kevin Fenzi  wrote:

> OK. I will give this a try in stg... do we want to try and enable this
> monday if it works? It sounded like upstream was still treating it as
> pretty experemental. ;(
>

I think we should and shake out the bugs unless they are too severe and we
need to roll back.  This is an often requested feature and was part of the
original plan when I initiated Ask Fedora.

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Re: November status update for Fedora Infrastructure Apprentices

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi


On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 3:18 PM, Anshu Prateek  wrote:

>
> mm, the task I am working on started as a simple "improve"
> latency/performance of askbot which evolved into upgrade 0.7.49 which
> became packaged 0.7.49. I am mostly done, now only packaging and testing on
> fedora/rawhide is left.
>

For the record,  for every update so far, I have usually tried it in Fedora
first, test it for a while and then commit and build it for Fedora and if
things work out well, test and commit it in EPEL, moving into staging and
then production.  Atleast during the initial period when we adopted askbot,
there were a lot more bugs that we reported upstream and got fixed.  Things
seems to be more stable now atleast for our needs (though certainly not bug
free) and it might useful to follow a consistent strategy.   Thanks for
helping out!

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Re: f19: call for testing/karma

[Rahul Sundaram]

On 06/19/2013 08:33 AM, Martin Kho wrote:

That's nice and I am sure would be helpful but I am curious.  What
didn't you like about the account system?

Hi Rahul,

Especially the split between filing bugs in bugzilla with a Red hat account and
closing the bug fixing processes (giving karma) where a fas account is needed.
I always felt ashamed that I filed bugs, but never officially said "Yeah go push
the update". I can imagine that there are even people who experience the 'two-
accounts' as too much a burden and because of that never file bugs.


That is a valid critique and one of the reasons is that Red Hat bugzilla 
isn't part of Fedora infrastructure and is disconnected from it but 
perhaps bodhi can accept open id logins?   (CC'ing Fedora infrastructure)


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Re: Updating the askfedora production theme to the Fedora blue theme

[Rahul Sundaram]

On 06/02/2013 11:15 PM, Ankur Sinha wrote:

Hi guys,

I think the theme that's in use at staging[1] is pretty amazing! Is
there a reason we're not updating the production instance[2] to look
like this yet? If it's only a question of actually doing the work, I can
do it :)

[1] https://ask.stg.fedoraproject.org/questions/
[2] https://ask.fedoraproject.org/questions/


It is an improvement over what we have now but feels a bit unfinished.  
In particular, the footer looks like:


http://imgur.com/9MzAeiE

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Re: [Askfedora] Display a few links in the main page sidebar?

[Rahul Sundaram]

On 06/03/2013 01:20 AM, Ankur Sinha wrote:

Hi folks,

What do you folks think of displaying a few links in the announcement
space?

I've done it on the staging instance[1]. Please have a look. This is the
simple code snippet that's required


This looks great and has been on the list of the things left to do for a 
long time.  However please do drop the ! at the end.  Did you meant to 
drop the avatar list?  It is a bit of visual noise but I think gives a 
better sense of forums as a community of people which I think is important


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Re: areas where we can invest in automation?

[Rahul Sundaram]

On 05/28/2013 08:33 AM, Matthew Miller wrote:

I was asked (with my Red Hat hat on) to put together a little report on
areas in Fedora which could be improved with an investment in better
automation.


I just posted some suggestions to

https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2013-May/183459.html

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Ask Fedora hackfest?

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi

I was thinking of proposing a hackfest on Ask Fedora for Flock 
(https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Flock) .  Would anyone be interested in 
participating and if so,  do you have any ideas on what you would like 
to do?  Let me know and if there is sufficient interest, I would submit 
a proposal.  Thanks


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Re: Ask Fedora status update

[Rahul Sundaram]

On 05/05/2013 04:02 AM, Ankur Sinha wrote:

I've packaged it up and it's under review now[1]. As soon as it's
approved, I'll test it over at staging and see how it goes.

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=959172
Thanks.  You can drop a mail to upstream of django post office and let 
him know.  I *think*  it stores the email in the db by default based on 
the template but might be useful to confirm this.


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Re: Ask Fedora status update

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi Ankur,

On 04/25/2013 10:45 PM, Ralph Bean wrote:


Ankur, I'd be glad to help brainstorm about how to fix each of these.
Feel free to email me directly or get in touch on IRC if you'd like to
start working through them.


Did you have a chance to look at this list?  If you don't have time, let 
me know.  Thanks!


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Re: Ask Fedora status update

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi


On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 2:44 AM, Patrick Uiterwijk  wrote:

> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA512
>
> Hello,
>
> I have been working on this last week.
> The current status according me is:
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 05:50:36PM -0400, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> > *  Form for local login is still shown in the login page even though
> > this is disabled.  This continues to cause confusion among new users
> > and the fix is upstream
> This does not show anymore.
> > * FAS openid doesn't seem to be working for some people.  I am
> > unsure of the current status
> This is a bug in FAS-OpenID (actually in HAProxy triggered by client code,
> but it's on the FAS-OpenID side), which I am currently working on.
>

Thanks for pitching in.  Much appreciated

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Ask Fedora status update

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi

(cc'ing Ankur since he has expressed interest in helping with the admin 
tasks)


*  Form for local login is still shown in the login page even though 
this is disabled.  This continues to cause confusion among new users and 
the fix is upstream


https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/3761

We need to pull this in as a hotfix and test it.

* FAS openid doesn't seem to be working for some people.  I am unsure of 
the current status


*  Cron job for sending reminders to accept an answer

https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/3762

We have enabled this feature but it is essentially non-functional 
without the cron job running


*  Enabling Ask Fedora to send emails async

https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/3763

Celery was an option but there seems to be some amount of concern with 
the additional complexity.  Upstream is of the opinion that celery isn't 
that much of an overhead


http://askbot.org/en/question/10531/simpler-alternative-to-celery/

I looked out for options and the one that is actively maintained is 
django post office


https://pypi.python.org/pypi/django-post_office

It isn't packaged yet but requires no code changes and very simple 
configuration.  If someone has the time, please test this in staging.  I 
will do the packaging once it is confirmed that it serves our purpose.


Older pending tasks
---

* Fedora theme

Related:

* Making optional fields in FAS more obvious

https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/infrastructure/2013-March/012651.html

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Re: New Fedora openid provider (fas-openid) in service

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi

On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 12:22 AM, Toshio Kuratomi  wrote:

> I think that Raul is talking about the code being hosted on github.
>
Yep.  I should have been more explicit there i guess

> Nothing in fedora infrastructure is proprietary.  And nothing that the
> user gets when interacting with our websites is proprietary.  But github is
> certainly proprietary and we are hosting some of our code there (just like
> many other open source projects).  If that seems like something that we
> wouldn't have done previously then you could see it as a change in policy.
>
I would say so since this appears to be the first time that Fedora
infrastructure developed app is hosted in github.

> However, we've never attempted to check if our developers are coding in a
> proprietary ide or using a non-free os to connect to infrastructure.  We've
> never frowned on people hosting their own code that we use in fedora on
> sourceforge, github, or other propriety hosting.
>
As a side note, sourceforge is no longer using proprietary code.
http://sourceforge.net/blog/allura-incubator/  I have been looking to
package that for Fedora as well.   In any case,  if this was a deliberate
decision to use github, thats fine.  A mirror in gitorious might be
recommended by policy.   Just a suggestion.

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Re: New Fedora openid provider (fas-openid) in service

[Rahul Sundaram]

On 03/05/2013 07:19 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:

Code for this provider (under GPLv2+) is available at:

https://github.com/fedora-infra/fas-openid
Congrats!  I was wondering if we have relaxed the infrastructure policy 
of not relying on web infrastructure that depends on proprietary code?


Rahul

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Re: Ask Fedora enhancements and fixes

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi

On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 3:55 PM, Kevin Fenzi  wrote:

> > Full Name
>
> (yeah, this is required currently)
>
> > Name check override
>
> (this is only needed if your name is something non standard, ie, an odd
> symbol, or "Nolastname")
>
> > Security Question
> > Security Answer
>
> Both optional.
>

I don't think the UI really makes it obvious that these fields are optional
and I am not sure we really need full name or FPCA just to use the account
as open id. So perhaps we can make these optional as well and push the
mandatory ones to the top and make it clear that the rest are optional.

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Re: Ask Fedora enhancements and fixes

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi

On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Kevin Fenzi  wrote:

> On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 13:11:30 -0500
> Rahul Sundaram  wrote:
>
> > Hi
> >
> > With the recent update to Askbot,  there has been a number of offlist
> > discussions related to Ask Fedora and I wanted to summarize what I
> > think needs to be done and some points to discuss
>
> Sounds good. ;)
>

One more thing:  Is the production instance of Ask Fedora running the EPEL
package or from a different repo?  If it is a different repo, can we move
back to using EPEL?

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Re: Ask Fedora enhancements and fixes

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi

On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 3:01 PM, Aniruddha  wrote:

> A quick search show that most open source communities only require minimal
> input. If they are able to solve this we surely can too.
>
> http://forums.debian.net/ucp.**php?mode=register
>
> Opensuse's registration form is the only one I have found that asks more
> question's than Fedora's FAS:
> https://www.suse.com/selfreg/jsp/createAccount.jsp


I am not sure which questions from FAS you find onerous.  The Debian forum
registration for instance seems identical

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Re: Ask Fedora enhancements and fixes

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi


On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Kevin Fenzi  wrote:


> Can you send me your scratch build link again? And I can try it out in
> stg? I looked and somehow got the wrong link and couldn't find your
> scratch build... ;(
>

I have kicked off another build at

http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=5078331

> * Enable sub groups aka meta.ask.fedoraproject.org
> >
> > We need to test this in the staging instance first
>
> Does that also need django 1.4?
>

I am not sure.  CC'ing Evgeny

I really don't want to do that. It means another place that keeps user
> private data, another place we have to manage for password resets, etc.
>

Right.  That was my impression as well and very few users have ever asked
for it but my original goal was to open it up for anonymous questions (with
a requirement for a user to enter just their email address ala
StackExchange).  The problem at that time was spam controls in askbot was
very weak but they are better now.   In particular, there is a setting that
prevents users with low karma value from posting external links or
uploading images and block ip addresses.   Perhaps we can enable this for a
limited time period.

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Fwd: ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error: /users/3595/jomoos/

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi

I get this on all my subscribed questions in Ask Fedora

 Original Message 
Subject:ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error: /users/3595/jomoos/
Date:   Fri, 01 Mar 2013 14:05:12 -
From:   askfed...@fedoraproject.org
To: sysadmin-ask-memb...@fedoraproject.org



Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 
113, in get_response
response = callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs)

  File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/askbot/views/users.py", line 1123, in 
user
return user_view_func(request, profile_owner, context)

  File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/askbot/views/users.py", line 690, in 
user_recent
content_object=award.content_object,

  File 
"/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/django/contrib/contenttypes/generic.py", line 
80, in __get__
ct = self.get_content_type(id=ct_id, using=instance._state.db)

  File 
"/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/django/contrib/contenttypes/generic.py", line 
59, in get_content_type
return ContentType.objects.db_manager(using).get_for_id(id)

  File 
"/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/django/contrib/contenttypes/models.py", line 
55, in get_for_id
self._add_to_cache(self.db, ct)

  File 
"/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/django/contrib/contenttypes/models.py", line 
70, in _add_to_cache
key = (model._meta.app_label, model._meta.object_name.lower())

AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute '_meta'


,
POST:,
COOKIES:{},
META:{'DOCUMENT_ROOT': '/var/www/html',
 'GATEWAY_INTERFACE': 'CGI/1.1',
 'HTTP_ACCEPT': '*/*',
 'HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING': 'gzip,deflate',
 'HTTP_FROM': 'googlebot(at)googlebot.com',
 'HTTP_HOST': 'ask01',
 'HTTP_USER_AGENT': 'Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Googlebot/2.1; 
+http://www.google.com/bot.html)',
 'HTTP_X_FORWARDED_FOR': '66.249.73.9',
 'HTTP_X_FORWARDED_HOST': 'ask.fedoraproject.org',
 'HTTP_X_FORWARDED_SERVER': 'ask.fedoraproject.org',
 'PATH_INFO': u'/users/3595/jomoos/',
 'PATH_TRANSLATED': '/usr/sbin/askbot.wsgi/users/3595/jomoos/',
 'QUERY_STRING': 'sort=recent',
 'REMOTE_ADDR': '192.168.1.14',
 'REMOTE_PORT': '43120',
 'REQUEST_METHOD': 'GET',
 'REQUEST_URI': '/users/3595/jomoos/?sort=recent',
 'SCRIPT_FILENAME': '/usr/sbin/askbot.wsgi',
 'SCRIPT_NAME': u'',
 'SERVER_ADDR': '192.168.1.51',
 'SERVER_ADMIN': 'ad...@fedoraproject.org',
 'SERVER_NAME': 'ask01',
 'SERVER_PORT': '80',
 'SERVER_PROTOCOL': 'HTTP/1.0',
 'SERVER_SIGNATURE': 'Apache/2.2.15 (Red Hat) Server at ask01 Port 
80\n',
 'SERVER_SOFTWARE': 'Apache/2.2.15 (Red Hat)',
 'mod_wsgi.application_group': '',
 'mod_wsgi.callable_object': 'application',
 'mod_wsgi.handler_script': '',
 'mod_wsgi.input_chunked': '0',
 'mod_wsgi.listener_host': '0.0.0.0',
 'mod_wsgi.listener_port': '80',
 'mod_wsgi.process_group': 'askbot',
 'mod_wsgi.request_handler': 'wsgi-script',
 'mod_wsgi.script_reloading': '1',
 'mod_wsgi.version': (3, 2),
 'wsgi.errors': ,
 'wsgi.file_wrapper': ,
 'wsgi.input': ,
 'wsgi.multiprocess': True,
 'wsgi.multithread': False,
 'wsgi.run_once': False,
 'wsgi.url_scheme': 'http',
 'wsgi.version': (1, 1)}>



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Ask Fedora enhancements and fixes

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi

With the recent update to Askbot,  there has been a number of offlist 
discussions related to Ask Fedora and I wanted to summarize what I think 
needs to be done and some points to discuss


*  Multi-language support:

This is a very commonly requested feature.  Need to set

ASKBOT_MULTILINGUAL=True

Requires Django 1.4 or higher.  I assume the Django modules that Askbot 
depends on needs to require Django 1.4 as well.


* Enable sub groups aka meta.ask.fedoraproject.org

We need to test this in the staging instance first

* Local user support

A few users don't want to use openid.  Should we enable local user? What 
are the security implications of that?


* Integrate FAS support:

Currently its not obvious that one can use their FAS account to login 
and we need to make this a prominent option


* Fedora theme:

I don't know the status of this.

*  Tinymce Django module is broken.  It will be nice to get this fixed

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=845890

If anyone wants to work on bugs and feature requests, I have a whole 
bunch of them.  Upstream is looking for help


http://askbot.org/en/questions/scope:all/sort:activity-desc/tags:askfedora/page:1/

Some of them like the ability to mark a particular question as duplicate 
of another is sorely needed


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Re: Proposal for adding the UniversalLanguageSelector to the Fedora Wiki

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi

The first step would be to get the extension packaged in the repository.  I
can look into that. It appears Santosh is the dev for this extension.  I
found the git url here

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/gitweb?p=mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector.git;a=summary

Do you have release tarballs?  It is not mandatory but convenient to have.
As as a side note, dual licensing code under MIT/GPL is pointless.  If you
have a permissive license codebase,  GPL is entirely superfluous.

Rahul



On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 7:38 AM, Runa Bhattacharjee  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I am writing on behalf of the Wikimedia Language Engineering team[1],
> who would like to explore the possibility of implementing the
> UniversalLanguageSelector(ULS)[2] MediaWiki extension on
> fedoraproject.org/wiki. The ULS is part of Project Milkshake[3] that
> aims to bring common internationalization features through generic
> jQuery components. Live versions can be found at:
>
>
> http://userbase.kde.org/Welcome_to_KDE_UserBase
> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki (needs login)
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page (needs login)
>
>
> It was suggested that we start the conversation here to get a feedback
> on this proposal.
>
> Thanks
> Runa
>
> [1] http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Language_Engineering_team
> [2] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Universal_Language_Selector
> [3] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Milkshake
>
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Re: Request for resources: Darkserver

[Rahul Sundaram]

On 12/20/2011 11:54 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:

> - Who all exactly should be in the sysadmin-darkserver group and is
>   working on this? you and mether? any others?
> 
> I will go ahead and look at allocating you guys a dev machine to work
> from. ;) 

Just us on the sysadmin side. The consumers of the service will be
helping out by testing.

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Production instance of Ask Fedora

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi

I would like to do the soft launch of Ask Fedora before the end of this
month and announce it widely in sync with Fedora 16 release.  I will
coordinate with Fedora marketing for this.  The reason for doing a soft
launch earlier is to be able to seed the forum with some good questions
and answers and fix any last minute issues that might show up in a bit
more larger use.upfiles alias in the httpd configuration for Askbot
has been added via puppet for now.   If the patch for fixing the
duplicate subject in the email alerts is included as a hotfix,  we can
enable that.  Currently I have disabled subject in the staging
instance.  The patch is here

https://github.com/ASKBOT/askbot-devel/commit/dca33d4bdb002a1c882ba0b1f79523655f947fe9

Upstream is hoping to do a new release soon and these fixes will be
rolled into the update then.  I would like to try out varnish but that
can wait for a while.  I am still waiting on a logo from the Fedora
design team but meanwhile have disabled the default logo in the settings
as well.  We have modified the CSS only lightly because upstream has
contracted a professional designer to do a new theme and the format is
expected to change quite a bit.  Once that is done in say 2 to 3 weeks,
I intend to get a Fedora theme done as well shortly after.   Let me know
your thoughts.

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Re: Ask Fedora SOP complete

[Rahul Sundaram]

On 09/02/2011 01:22 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> Thanks Rahul. 
>
> We are making some last minute changes to the package to make it easier
> to deploy. As soon as we have those, we can get it into puppet. 
>
> I have most of a puppet commit to add the ask01.stg instance. Just need
> to tweak it some and adjust for the new package. Hopefully we can get
> it testing there soon. :) 

Includes the changes you asked for

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/askbot-0.7.22-2.el6

Let me know if there is anything else I need to do

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Ask Fedora SOP complete

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi

All settings, customizations are now fully documented at

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ask_Fedora_SOP

Next step would be to use Puppet to automate all of this and we are good
to go although I am going to continue to update to the latest versions
from upstream for a while since I have a bunch of feature requests that
upstream has committed to implementing or already been implemented in
the git head.   I haven't yet tested with memcached but I expect the
production launch would need this.  When I did test it earlier,  it
seemed buggy although it might have been just my misconfiguration.  I
will test again soon.  I hope to do the initial production launch before
Fedora 16 release. 

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/16/Schedule

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Re: Moving Ask Fedora to Staging

[Rahul Sundaram]

On 08/19/2011 09:39 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> I assume there's no issue in the app running on multiple machines with
> the same db backend. Mether? kevin

Not sure this is helpful but this is the upstream answer

http://askbot.org/en/question/596/multi-instances-sharing-one-db-a-problem?answer=613#613

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Re: Moving Ask Fedora to Staging

[Rahul Sundaram]

On 08/19/2011 09:39 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> ok. So it will be: 
>
> http://ask.fedoraproject.org ? 

Yes.   I think we are going to not use the FAS auth plugin and instead
use Fedora account as just a openid.  Less code to maintain and less
things to break

> ok. I kinda dislike putting more in the same db box, but thats a
> problem for all the existing dbs too, that we should solve at the db
> level (with replication, etc). So, we can just stick it on db01.stg /
> real db. 
>
> I assume there's no issue in the app running on multiple machines with
> the same db backend. Mether? 

I will confirm this with upstream

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Re: Moving Ask Fedora to Staging

[Rahul Sundaram]

On 08/18/2011 05:48 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote:
> Should I be able to enter an answer for a question at this point?  I
> tried to enter a simple answer and received a database error.

We were setting it up with a new db.Feel free to try now

http://ask01.dev.fedoraproject.org/

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Moving Ask Fedora to Staging

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi

We have been running Ask Fedora in the devel instance for a while now
and updated several times as upstream fixed bugs and responded to
feature requests

http://ask01.dev.fedoraproject.org/questions/

We have a custom CSS file thanks to Suchakra and with the help of PJP
(co-sysadmin, cc'ed),  we have configured it to run with Apache.   I
haven't setup Postfix or memcached yet on the devel instance but atleast
Postfix has been tested locally.  We will have to think about whether we
should be running our own instances or hook into the existing
infrastructure.

A SOP has been written as well

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ask_Fedora_SOP

We will add more details we go forward.   As a side note, while I was
looking at memcached,  ran into a alternative python binding (pylibmc)
for memcached which apparently performs much faster and is being used by
reddit.   This has been packaged as well as the Django (django-pylibmc)
module for that.  Details at

http://amix.dk/blog/post/19471

Let me know what I need to do to move Ask Fedora to Staging

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Re: Request for resources: Ask Fedora

[Rahul Sundaram]

On 07/21/2011 04:20 AM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
> Will you want single sign on (meaning if you log into pkgdb, you are also
> logged into askbot)?  If not, I would suggest we try and use the openid
> support in askbot with the fas openid provider.  That way we may be able to
> eliminate the need to maintain the fas auth plugin.

I think single sign on will make Askbot more integrated with Fedora and
fas auth plugin code is pretty small

https://github.com/pjps/fasauth/

> Is there a version of postgres that is too old?  We're currently running
> postgresl84 from RHEL5.x... I don't think that'll be too old for most apps
> but figured I should check.

Postgres, 8.3 and above is supported



> Will this work over the network?
> Will we be able to run the app normally with an account that cannot modify
> db schema and only use a schema-modifying account if these commands become
> necessary for an upgrade?

I haven't checked.  CC'ing upstream developer.

> Do you have a sense of how often we will need to respin and install new
> packages (or hotfix the application)?  Only frequently while we're in
> testing?  Even after we're in production, there will be new features and
> bugfixes that we'll want to pull in?

For testing,  I expect we would require frequent changes and atleast
during the initial stages of deployment,  we would probably want to rev
up now and then.   This will likely slow down over time but since we
haven't had such a major end user facing deployment before,  I find it
hard to say for sure.I would like to add a number of features but
those are mostly nice to have.  Not much that would need immediate
attention.

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Re: Request for resources: Ask Fedora

[Rahul Sundaram]

upstream On 07/20/2011 09:32 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> Some questions (which may not be known yet, but I thought I would toss
> them out there): 
>
> * If FAS is unavailable, how does askbot behave? No one can auth? or
>   falls back on a local file? or ?

Askbot has openid support.  Will support using Google,  Twitter etc as
you can see in http://askbot.org. 

>
> * Do we have any idea how much load/capacity this will take? I guess it
>   will depend on how much it takes off and how much people use it. Are
>   posts/answers stored in db? Or on the filesystem?

Stored in the db.  Supports MySQL or Postgres.  Postgres is recommended
by upstream since it supports full text search.  I don't know how much
load it will take.  I have tested it but not with thousands of users. 

>
> * Will there be any guidelines or the like for content? Should all
>   questions be fedora related? Do we want to remove posts that are
>   offensive? (Not a technical issue, but thought I would mention it, it
>   would be good to have guidelines for moderation before content
>   appears to meet people's expectations)

We would recommend people post Fedora related questions in the FAQ but
if there is a community to answer general open source questions,  that
is alright too.  As people vote up/vote down answers, answer other
questions etc and gain points they incrementally get more administrative
access in the forum and become moderators.  Moderators have very similar
rights to admins.  Offensive posts (both questions and answers) can be
flagged by anyone and administrators/moderators can close it and
suspend/block users as necessary.

>
> * Are updates of the app pretty transparent? ie, just yum update? or do
>   they require database changes? 

Just yum update so far.  If db changes are necessary, it requires two
commands  (backup db for safety)

  * python manage.py syncdb
  * python manage.py migrate

>
> * Is there any security history for the application? Have their been
>   security issues and have they been fixed in a timely manner?

No security issues  so far but upstream has been responsive to issues we
have reported and fixed them within days.


>
> * Is there themeing available? Would we want to involve the design
>   folks in making a fedora branded theme for it?

Yes indeed.   This is my TODO list

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Askbot

Upstream theming support is not awesome but good enough for our purposes
and upstream is willing to work on enhancing is as needed

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Request for resources: Ask Fedora

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi

I have just filed the RFR for Ask Fedora at

https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2884

Askbot - http://askbot.org is a question and answer oriented forum that
I am requesting  Fedora infrastructure team.   As some of you might
already know,  I have been working on packaging Askbot and its
dependencies for Fedora for the last several weeks.  At this point, 
except for Askbot itself, all its dependencies are in Fedora. Most of
the dependencies have been built for EPEL 6 as well.   We originally
tried building for EPEL 5 but many of the dependencies are expected to
be more recent versions and went with EPEL 6 instead.  I expect to
finish all the packaging work before the end of this week.  There are
some minor patches for Askbot I am working on that I want to test before
importing Askbot itself but the process is mostly complete and I along
with others have tested it locally.I thought I would get a early
start on the proposal and answer any questions on this and get the
discussions going in parallel while I do the last steps.   

I have been working with upstream for a while now and on our request, 
upstream has made the authentication system extensible via plugins.   We
have added a plugin for authentication via Fedora account system.  The
next step is to run a test instance,  test it more publicly and fix any
issues and add some minor features (identi.ca support,  auto linking to
Red Hat bugzilla for bug references etc) and  I hope to be able to go
into production stage or atleast a soft launch before Fedora 16.  

I have explained in length my motivations for working on this and rest
of the details at

https://mether.wordpress.com/2011/07/16/the-case-for-ask-fedora/

Do let me know your thoughts

Rahul

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Re: New RFR -- Zanata instance

[Rahul Sundaram]

On 06/22/2011 02:43 PM, noriko wrote:
> Dimitris Glezos さんは書きました:
>> I also think we should have good documentation before requesting time
>> to try out a tool -- eg. how does it compare with alternative tools
>> such as Transifex, Pootle, Damned Lies, especially in the areas that
>> are important to Fedora.
> Good point, I believe that the project team should have some 
> documentation. But also it can be said that it is hard to discuss 
> without seeing. A picture is worth a thousand words.

I find this plain odd.   If you want infra to even test this,  you need
to sell them on the idea and that begins with a clear description of the
project goals and how it compares to existing alternatives.   In short, 
where is the marketing pitch?

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Re: Second rounds of lists clean-up

[Rahul Sundaram]

On 04/06/2011 10:43 PM, Andrea Veri wrote:
> I am unsure about the current lists, I think we can't mail all
> the owners again asking for a description to be added but
> we can try to change this bad habit for the future.

I don't think we need to mail all the owners.  Only the smaller subset,
dozen or so that don't have a description.  

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Re: Second rounds of lists clean-up

[Rahul Sundaram]

On 04/02/2011 08:32 PM, Andrea Veri wrote:
> FP.org's mailing lists Clean-up is now DONE.


On a vaguely related note,  can we tell list administrators to add a
brief description?  I would prefer that we require all of them to have
one so that we don't have mailing list literally called "abc" and with
no clue on what the heck it is supposed to be for

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Re: Second rounds of lists clean-up

[Rahul Sundaram]

On 04/03/2011 01:59 AM, Andrea Veri wrote:
> Do you guys think this is the correct policy to adopt in these cases or
> should we just remove those inactive lists while keeping their archives
> handy?
I believe after sometime gap, it should be completely deleted,  keeping
the archives handy just in case.  

Rahul

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Re: Second rounds of lists clean-up

[Rahul Sundaram]

On 04/02/2011 08:32 PM, Andrea Veri wrote:
> FP.org's mailing lists Clean-up is now DONE.
>
> Inactive lists that got deleted (and for 'deleted' please read
> my note on [1]) are 33 in total.

Would it be possible to hide them from

https://lists.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo

Disable search engine access to them as well?

Rahul
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Re: Meeting Re: Eucalyptus hosting

[Rahul Sundaram]

On 01/15/2011 02:44 AM, Garrett Holmstrom wrote:
> Hi,
>
> At the infrastructure meeting yesterday Seth brought up the topic of
> cloud hosting for Fedora services.  With EC2 and Rackspace being
> closed platforms, I suggested Eucalyptus as an alternative.  I wasn't
> able to find any hosting providers in the US that use it, but Rich
> Wolski, the CTO of Eucalyptus Systems, expressed an interest in
> chatting with you infrastructure folks about whether or not we at
> Eucalyptus can just host it ourselves, depending on Fedora's needs and
> such

Is Eucalyptus folks interested in making it available in the  Fedora
repositories?  That would be a good point to start since it would help
integration regardless of who is hosting it.

Rahul
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