Re: [Inkscape-docs] website moderation policy final / teams?
Will do :-) brynn -Original Message- From: Martin Owens Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 8:31 AM To: brynn ; Inkscape-Docs Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] website moderation policy final / teams? On Fri, 2017-05-12 at 08:23 -0600, brynn wrote: > There was a weird glitch when I clicked Publish. It resulted in the > little gear > icon spinning around endlessly. But when I refreshed the page, it > showed me > that it had been published. That was an odd error with django-cms. I got the email showing the error, but it's an upstream issue. Let me know if it happens again or if this page is 'stuck' Martin, -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
[Inkscape-docs] moderators needed for the website
Hi Friends, Thanks to Martin for creating the most amazing moderation system I've ever seen, for the website. Now that it's ready, volunteers are invited to join the website Moderation Team. Moderators work together to make decisions about each reported item (image, comment or member). No particular skills are needed. The biggest qualification is to care about maintaining the website as a beautiful and safe place for members to show their Inkscape work and interact. Most days you would only need to spend 15 to 20 minutes or less, although in the beginning, a little more time will probably be needed to become familiar with the system. And visit as many days as you can. The more moderators we have, the less time we each have to spend moderating. If you're interested in helping, please go to Community tab > Teams page (https://inkscape.org/en/teams/) and click on "Moderation Team". On the next page, click to request to join the team. (Sorry, I don't know exactly what the text is, for that link, but it will be regular size text, and orange color). After that, we'll contact you, and get you started. Thanks for your interest in contributing to the Inkscape Project :-) All best, brynn -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] website moderation policy final / teams?
Very cool! Thanks Martin :-) -Original Message- From: Martin Owens Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 5:33 AM To: Maren Hachmann ; brynn ; Inkscape-Devel ; Inkscape-Docs ; C R ; Sylvain Chiron ; Eduard Braun Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] website moderation policy final / teams? This should do it: https://inkscape.org/en/*moderators/ A user can click "Request to join" and brynn can approve them. Also listed on: https://inkscape.org/en/teams/ Best Regards, Martin Owens On Fri, 2017-05-12 at 12:57 +0200, Maren Hachmann wrote: > Hi Brynn, > > Am 12.05.2017 um 12:27 schrieb brynn: > > > > Hi Friends, > >Since there have been no further comments regarding website > > moderation policy, I've made the changes to the CoC that we > > discussed. > - It's not published yet, was that intentional or were you waiting > for > some confirmation? > > > > >Most of those who commented about being retroactive, thought > > since the policy was not existing at the time, we should not delete > > images uploaded before this date (or the members who uploaded > > them). > > (So we can vote those old ones that I flagged, back in now.) > - Done. There are still a couple of images where Martin voted to > remove, > but we didn't... those are stuck in the queue. > > > > >I started to put out a call for volunteer moderators (on the > > To-Do List page, and also posting in forums and mailing lists) > > except I > > wasn't sure about the wording. I was going to say something like > > "Volunteers are needed to join the Website Team as Moderators." > > > >But then I realized there's no such thing as a Website Team, > > and > > actually it's a Website Editors teamwhich I'm not sure if > > moderators > > would be subset of editors... Hhmm, maybe so? > - I'd say we can make one. Would you like to provide the icon? > > > > >Anyway, I seem to recall there was some mention of possibly > > creating a Moderation Team. But before I post something like > > "Volunteers are needed to form a/join the Website Moderation Team" > > maybe > > we should decide if Moderators need their own team? > > > >This might be another subject, but pursuant to all the > > recent > > discussion and movement towards getting the French manual > > translated, so > > we can find update and expand it, I wonder if we need to think > > about a > > Documentation Team? > - I think it's not urgent, because communication might happen within > the > Booktype website (they have groups and chat). Generally, I believe it > would be a good idea. > > > > >Since Martin is the website guru, he probably has an idea > > what > > would be best here. Personally, I can't think of a reason for a > > formal > > moderation team. But there may be one (or more), that make sense, > > that I > > just never realized. > - Permissions ;-) > > Maren > > > > >Thoughts, comments? > > > > All best, > > brynn > > > > > > -Original Message- From: brynn > > Sent: Friday, May 05, 2017 10:04 AM > > To: Inkscape-Devel ; Inkscape-Docs ; C R ; Maren Hachmann ; Martin > > Owens > > ; Sylvain Chiron ; Eduard Braun > > Subject: [Inkscape-docs] website moderation policy final > > > > Hi Friends, > >It seems like this last message about moderation policy got > > buried in > > all the recent important chatter. So I'm re-sending the most vital > > parts of it, > > so we can finish this up. For convenience, > > https://inkscape.org/community/coc/ > > And here's the suggested change: > > > > In the Guidelines for User-Submitted Content section, replace > > > > "Art and other content submitted to the Inkscape website should > > adhere > > to the > > following rules:" > > > > with > > > > "Content uploaded to the gallery should be related to Inkscape > > (e.g. > > created > > with Inkscape, created for use with Inkscape, showing how to work > > with > > Inkscape, > > etc.). We reserve the right to remove any content that does not > > seem > > appropriate > > or does not adhere to the following obligatory rules:" > > > > C R said > > > > > > Little thing, but "created for use with Inkscape" could cover > > > things > > like just regular images... in fact it could cover just about > > anything, even things made with Adobe Illustrator. I'd simply cut > > that > > bit out. > > > > Hhmm.yes, I see what you mean. My interpretation of that, is > > for > > things > > like extensions or filters. But maybe there's a better way to say > > it? > > > > What about "created to be installed in Inkscape"? Or maybe just > > "to be > > installed in Inkscape"? That would eliminate any kind of > > image. Any other > > suggestions out there? Eduard? > > > > I wonder about adding "Inkscape Project"? Such as: > > "Content uploaded to the gallery should be related to Inkscape or > > the > > Inkscape > > Project (e.g. created" > > That would cover things like a website graphics or page mockup, > > board > > meeting > > transcript, etc. > > >
Re: [Inkscape-docs] website moderation policy final / teams?
On Fri, 2017-05-12 at 08:23 -0600, brynn wrote: > There was a weird glitch when I clicked Publish. It resulted in the > little gear > icon spinning around endlessly. But when I refreshed the page, it > showed me > that it had been published. That was an odd error with django-cms. I got the email showing the error, but it's an upstream issue. Let me know if it happens again or if this page is 'stuck' Martin, -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] License for the new manual
Oh, no rush! I had seen your earlier message that sounded like you had completed the task. But there's no huge rush. brynn -Original Message- From: Maren Hachmann Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 5:04 AM To: brynn ; inkscape-de...@lists.sourceforge.net ; Inkscape-Docs Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] [Inkscape-docs] License for the new manual Hi Brynn, not yet. I've spent the night getting things ready for all of us (and I bet I'll regret that later today...), but there's still a bit left that I need Mick's help for, before it can go public (e.g. the website only offers CC-By-SA licence for choice...) and I need someone to explain / research how to add admins and editors, and how to use the group feature. Also need to add some notes about editing. Thank you for your patience ;-) Maren Am 12.05.2017 um 06:23 schrieb brynn: > Thanks Maren. Sorry for replying twice. After I sent the first, I > realized it needed to be copied to Docs list. > > Can you give link to the new English one? > > Thanks, > brynn > > -Original Message- From: Maren Hachmann > Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 6:40 PM > To: inkscape-de...@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] [Inkscape-docs] License for the new manual > > I've just played around at flossmanuals.net a bit, and was surprised how > easy and quick it is to import the book there from the French site. > > (I intended to just give it a try, but it worked so well, that I got > carried away starting to edit it...) > > Elisa, can you give Mick the heads up that we've managed to do the > import ourselves already? > > I'm working on importing the chapters from the French book, so we have > the files and the original texts readily available. > When that's done, I'll send a message to the list to invite editors. > > Kind Regards, > Maren > > Am 11.05.2017 um 22:58 schrieb Maren Hachmann: >> Great :) >> >> So let's keep our fingers crossed that it'll be possible to have an >> English interface for working on the book - and then we can call out for >> people to open up accounts. >> >> Kind Regards, >> Maren >> >> Am 11.05.2017 um 21:05 schrieb C R: >>> Thanks for clarifying, Martin! >>> -C >>> >>> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 5:54 PM, Martin Owens >>> wrote: Hi Maren, Victor, CR, Yes, let's settle this. CC-BY 4.0 https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ Shall be used for the inkscape manual. I believe there's a weighty enough consensus not to beat around the bush any more. Best Regards, Martin Owens On Thu, 2017-05-11 at 01:18 +0200, Maren Hachmann wrote: > Sorry, I think I need to explain and ask one last question: > > I asked for CC-By, because that allows the licence to be changed when > you make derivatives, and because it wasn't clear yet which licence > we > might want to use in the end, and because this wasn't my decision to > make. > > Martin, you took it on you to count the votes. I think CC0 is out of > the > question by now. What is the current status? > > (Mc asked about CC-By, I think. I bet CR would prefer CC-By to CC-By- > SA, > from what I read.) > > Do people now just want to go with CC-By, either because they like it > most, or to just 'be done' with it and start working? (I'd like to > have > some kind of final decision). -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Inkscape-devel mailing list inkscape-de...@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >> ___ >> Inkscape-devel mailing list >> inkscape-de...@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel >> > > > -- > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > ___ > Inkscape-devel mailing list > inkscape-de...@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel > -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inksc
Re: [Inkscape-docs] website moderation policy final / teams?
Hi Maren, Martin, I seem to be having some trouble publishing. The gear icon spins but nothing else happens. All best, brynn -Original Message- From: Maren Hachmann Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 4:57 AM To: brynn ; Inkscape-Devel ; Inkscape-Docs ; C R ; Martin Owens ; Sylvain Chiron ; Eduard Braun Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] website moderation policy final / teams? Hi Brynn, Am 12.05.2017 um 12:27 schrieb brynn: > Hi Friends, >Since there have been no further comments regarding website > moderation policy, I've made the changes to the CoC that we discussed. - It's not published yet, was that intentional or were you waiting for some confirmation? >Most of those who commented about being retroactive, thought > since the policy was not existing at the time, we should not delete > images uploaded before this date (or the members who uploaded them). > (So we can vote those old ones that I flagged, back in now.) - Done. There are still a couple of images where Martin voted to remove, but we didn't... those are stuck in the queue. >I started to put out a call for volunteer moderators (on the > To-Do List page, and also posting in forums and mailing lists) except I > wasn't sure about the wording. I was going to say something like > "Volunteers are needed to join the Website Team as Moderators." > >But then I realized there's no such thing as a Website Team, and > actually it's a Website Editors teamwhich I'm not sure if moderators > would be subset of editors... Hhmm, maybe so? - I'd say we can make one. Would you like to provide the icon? >Anyway, I seem to recall there was some mention of possibly > creating a Moderation Team. But before I post something like > "Volunteers are needed to form a/join the Website Moderation Team" maybe > we should decide if Moderators need their own team? > >This might be another subject, but pursuant to all the recent > discussion and movement towards getting the French manual translated, so > we can find update and expand it, I wonder if we need to think about a > Documentation Team? - I think it's not urgent, because communication might happen within the Booktype website (they have groups and chat). Generally, I believe it would be a good idea. >Since Martin is the website guru, he probably has an idea what > would be best here. Personally, I can't think of a reason for a formal > moderation team. But there may be one (or more), that make sense, that I > just never realized. - Permissions ;-) Maren >Thoughts, comments? > > All best, > brynn > > > -Original Message- From: brynn > Sent: Friday, May 05, 2017 10:04 AM > To: Inkscape-Devel ; Inkscape-Docs ; C R ; Maren Hachmann ; Martin Owens > ; Sylvain Chiron ; Eduard Braun > Subject: [Inkscape-docs] website moderation policy final > > Hi Friends, >It seems like this last message about moderation policy got > buried in > all the recent important chatter. So I'm re-sending the most vital > parts of it, > so we can finish this up. For convenience, > https://inkscape.org/community/coc/ > And here's the suggested change: > > In the Guidelines for User-Submitted Content section, replace > > "Art and other content submitted to the Inkscape website should adhere > to the > following rules:" > > with > > "Content uploaded to the gallery should be related to Inkscape (e.g. > created > with Inkscape, created for use with Inkscape, showing how to work with > Inkscape, > etc.). We reserve the right to remove any content that does not seem > appropriate > or does not adhere to the following obligatory rules:" > > C R said >> Little thing, but "created for use with Inkscape" could cover things > like just regular images... in fact it could cover just about > anything, even things made with Adobe Illustrator. I'd simply cut that > bit out. > > Hhmm.yes, I see what you mean. My interpretation of that, is for > things > like extensions or filters. But maybe there's a better way to say it? > > What about "created to be installed in Inkscape"? Or maybe just "to be > installed in Inkscape"? That would eliminate any kind of image. Any other > suggestions out there? Eduard? > > I wonder about adding "Inkscape Project"? Such as: > "Content uploaded to the gallery should be related to Inkscape or the > Inkscape > Project (e.g. created" > That would cover things like a website graphics or page mockup, board > meeting > transcript, etc. > > C R said >> If there's a significant amount of undesirable content currently, it's > probably best to make it retroactive. If it's just a few things, then > we should approach the owners about it. Not to be pushy, but to inform > them of the new policy. > > To me, it's a significant amount. By my estimate, probably 1 or 2 > thumbnails > per page of the gallery are random photos! So that's way too many to > consider > trying to contact them. > > Personally, I would love to delete t
Re: [Inkscape-docs] website moderation policy final / teams?
>Since there have been no further comments regarding website > moderation policy, I've made the changes to the CoC that we discussed. - It's not published yet, was that intentional or were you waiting for some confirmation? There was a weird glitch when I clicked Publish. It resulted in the little gear icon spinning around endlessly. But when I refreshed the page, it showed me that it had been published. So yes, I intended to publish. - I'd say we can make one. Would you like to provide the icon? Haha, well you've seen my icon-making skills! Oh, it seems there already is a Moderation Team! I'll go and make those posts to try an recruit more moderators now. If you have done it already, I'll try again to publish the CoC edit. Thanks, brynn -Original Message- From: Maren Hachmann Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 4:57 AM To: brynn ; Inkscape-Devel ; Inkscape-Docs ; C R ; Martin Owens ; Sylvain Chiron ; Eduard Braun Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] website moderation policy final / teams? Hi Brynn, Am 12.05.2017 um 12:27 schrieb brynn: > Hi Friends, >Since there have been no further comments regarding website > moderation policy, I've made the changes to the CoC that we discussed. - It's not published yet, was that intentional or were you waiting for some confirmation? >Most of those who commented about being retroactive, thought > since the policy was not existing at the time, we should not delete > images uploaded before this date (or the members who uploaded them). > (So we can vote those old ones that I flagged, back in now.) - Done. There are still a couple of images where Martin voted to remove, but we didn't... those are stuck in the queue. >I started to put out a call for volunteer moderators (on the > To-Do List page, and also posting in forums and mailing lists) except I > wasn't sure about the wording. I was going to say something like > "Volunteers are needed to join the Website Team as Moderators." > >But then I realized there's no such thing as a Website Team, and > actually it's a Website Editors teamwhich I'm not sure if moderators > would be subset of editors... Hhmm, maybe so? - I'd say we can make one. Would you like to provide the icon? >Anyway, I seem to recall there was some mention of possibly > creating a Moderation Team. But before I post something like > "Volunteers are needed to form a/join the Website Moderation Team" maybe > we should decide if Moderators need their own team? > >This might be another subject, but pursuant to all the recent > discussion and movement towards getting the French manual translated, so > we can find update and expand it, I wonder if we need to think about a > Documentation Team? - I think it's not urgent, because communication might happen within the Booktype website (they have groups and chat). Generally, I believe it would be a good idea. >Since Martin is the website guru, he probably has an idea what > would be best here. Personally, I can't think of a reason for a formal > moderation team. But there may be one (or more), that make sense, that I > just never realized. - Permissions ;-) Maren >Thoughts, comments? > > All best, > brynn > > > -Original Message- From: brynn > Sent: Friday, May 05, 2017 10:04 AM > To: Inkscape-Devel ; Inkscape-Docs ; C R ; Maren Hachmann ; Martin Owens > ; Sylvain Chiron ; Eduard Braun > Subject: [Inkscape-docs] website moderation policy final > > Hi Friends, >It seems like this last message about moderation policy got > buried in > all the recent important chatter. So I'm re-sending the most vital > parts of it, > so we can finish this up. For convenience, > https://inkscape.org/community/coc/ > And here's the suggested change: > > In the Guidelines for User-Submitted Content section, replace > > "Art and other content submitted to the Inkscape website should adhere > to the > following rules:" > > with > > "Content uploaded to the gallery should be related to Inkscape (e.g. > created > with Inkscape, created for use with Inkscape, showing how to work with > Inkscape, > etc.). We reserve the right to remove any content that does not seem > appropriate > or does not adhere to the following obligatory rules:" > > C R said >> Little thing, but "created for use with Inkscape" could cover things > like just regular images... in fact it could cover just about > anything, even things made with Adobe Illustrator. I'd simply cut that > bit out. > > Hhmm.yes, I see what you mean. My interpretation of that, is for > things > like extensions or filters. But maybe there's a better way to say it? > > What about "created to be installed in Inkscape"? Or maybe just "to be > installed in Inkscape"? That would eliminate any kind of image. Any other > suggestions out there? Eduard? > > I wonder about adding "Inkscape Project"? Such as: > "Content uploaded to the gallery should be related to Inkscape or
Re: [Inkscape-docs] website moderation policy final / teams?
This should do it: https://inkscape.org/en/*moderators/ A user can click "Request to join" and brynn can approve them. Also listed on: https://inkscape.org/en/teams/ Best Regards, Martin Owens On Fri, 2017-05-12 at 12:57 +0200, Maren Hachmann wrote: > Hi Brynn, > > Am 12.05.2017 um 12:27 schrieb brynn: > > > > Hi Friends, > > Since there have been no further comments regarding website > > moderation policy, I've made the changes to the CoC that we > > discussed. > - It's not published yet, was that intentional or were you waiting > for > some confirmation? > > > > > Most of those who commented about being retroactive, thought > > since the policy was not existing at the time, we should not delete > > images uploaded before this date (or the members who uploaded > > them). > > (So we can vote those old ones that I flagged, back in now.) > - Done. There are still a couple of images where Martin voted to > remove, > but we didn't... those are stuck in the queue. > > > > > I started to put out a call for volunteer moderators (on the > > To-Do List page, and also posting in forums and mailing lists) > > except I > > wasn't sure about the wording. I was going to say something like > > "Volunteers are needed to join the Website Team as Moderators." > > > > But then I realized there's no such thing as a Website Team, > > and > > actually it's a Website Editors teamwhich I'm not sure if > > moderators > > would be subset of editors... Hhmm, maybe so? > - I'd say we can make one. Would you like to provide the icon? > > > > > Anyway, I seem to recall there was some mention of possibly > > creating a Moderation Team. But before I post something like > > "Volunteers are needed to form a/join the Website Moderation Team" > > maybe > > we should decide if Moderators need their own team? > > > > This might be another subject, but pursuant to all the > > recent > > discussion and movement towards getting the French manual > > translated, so > > we can find update and expand it, I wonder if we need to think > > about a > > Documentation Team? > - I think it's not urgent, because communication might happen within > the > Booktype website (they have groups and chat). Generally, I believe it > would be a good idea. > > > > > Since Martin is the website guru, he probably has an idea > > what > > would be best here. Personally, I can't think of a reason for a > > formal > > moderation team. But there may be one (or more), that make sense, > > that I > > just never realized. > - Permissions ;-) > > Maren > > > > > Thoughts, comments? > > > > All best, > > brynn > > > > > > -Original Message- From: brynn > > Sent: Friday, May 05, 2017 10:04 AM > > To: Inkscape-Devel ; Inkscape-Docs ; C R ; Maren Hachmann ; Martin > > Owens > > ; Sylvain Chiron ; Eduard Braun > > Subject: [Inkscape-docs] website moderation policy final > > > > Hi Friends, > > It seems like this last message about moderation policy got > > buried in > > all the recent important chatter. So I'm re-sending the most vital > > parts of it, > > so we can finish this up. For convenience, > > https://inkscape.org/community/coc/ > > And here's the suggested change: > > > > In the Guidelines for User-Submitted Content section, replace > > > > "Art and other content submitted to the Inkscape website should > > adhere > > to the > > following rules:" > > > > with > > > > "Content uploaded to the gallery should be related to Inkscape > > (e.g. > > created > > with Inkscape, created for use with Inkscape, showing how to work > > with > > Inkscape, > > etc.). We reserve the right to remove any content that does not > > seem > > appropriate > > or does not adhere to the following obligatory rules:" > > > > C R said > > > > > > Little thing, but "created for use with Inkscape" could cover > > > things > > like just regular images... in fact it could cover just about > > anything, even things made with Adobe Illustrator. I'd simply cut > > that > > bit out. > > > > Hhmm.yes, I see what you mean. My interpretation of that, is > > for > > things > > like extensions or filters. But maybe there's a better way to say > > it? > > > > What about "created to be installed in Inkscape"? Or maybe just > > "to be > > installed in Inkscape"? That would eliminate any kind of > > image. Any other > > suggestions out there? Eduard? > > > > I wonder about adding "Inkscape Project"? Such as: > > "Content uploaded to the gallery should be related to Inkscape or > > the > > Inkscape > > Project (e.g. created" > > That would cover things like a website graphics or page mockup, > > board > > meeting > > transcript, etc. > > > > C R said > > > > > > If there's a significant amount of undesirable content currently, > > > it's > > probably best to make it retroactive. If it's just a few things, > > then > > we should approach the owners about it. Not to be pushy, but to > > in
Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] Any chance we can make some docs material? (targeting the moon)
Hi Brynn, indeed, you got the wrong book, Brynn. Just wait a day or two (or however long it'll take to contact Mick and get a couple of things sorted out), then you'll see. We're definitely going to need someone who renames the images that will be in that book. You don't need to work on it yet. > -- Not so silly. - Oh :) > -- Since we already do have the technical style of manual, outdated > though it may be, I would suggest getting the new one finished and > published first. - I agree. > -- Perhaps Tav would consider releasing the content of his current > manual, to be used as a starting point for the technical one? - I already had asked him about this, and, AFAIR, his answer went into the direction of 'This may be difficult to do (because the book is copyrighted and a publisher holds the rights), don't count on it ever happening. Rather start something new.' > -- Likely certain people would be better suited for writing this more > technical one. I know for myself, I couldn't write it, no matter how > hard I tried. Often I find myself writing in simple language, even when > I know the reader doesn't need it simplified. Must be in my DNA, haha. - There may be others reading it, aside from the person who asked. > -- I wonder if having 2 manuals would be confusing for users? I think > as long as the titles of the manuals makes it very clear, it would be > ok. Such as Introduction to Inkscape for the beginnners' manual or > Technical Inkscape Manual for the other. Something like that. (And > also make sure the URLs include the distinction, so searching isn't > confusing either.) - Yes, I agree 100%. > Somewhat random thought. I guess both Floss Manuals and Booktypes can > be themed or branded? Perhaps at some time during this > manual-translating and then writing process, the community can have a > discussion about Inkscape branding? I'm not sure if we can say it's > overdue, but I would suggest that the time has come :-) - flossmanuals does appear to have an option for adding some kind of home page. It seems to be a bit complicated, but possible. Not so much for branding the book, there are three themes to choose from, which is an experimental option (and I haven't tested). But as it's html, it may be possible to do some post-processing... (*This* kind of thing is a lot more controllable with readthedocs/Sphinx.) It's not very high priority, though. However, it would be extremely cool if we could manage to have a pdf or a set of web pages ready for inclusion in one of the next Inkscape versions this year. Maren Am 12.05.2017 um 08:00 schrieb brynn: >> (Btw. what do you think of helping with the translation by making sure > that all images get uploaded? When I copy-paste from the French book, I > get all the images, but they are just links to the original book, not > part of the one I'm editing. And it takes quite some time to rename the > files to something English, upload, add a useful placeholder text and > then exchange the links. I'd prefer to spend that time on translating.) > > Sure, if I'm just taking the images from one and putting into the other, > I could do that. I just didn't like the idea of making new screenshots, > using my theme. Although, at least the images I've looked at so far, > already have English names. > > Hhmm Hopefully Sylvain can answer the questions I asked about the > work that has been done to date. (in a different message) > (https://sourceforge.net/p/inkscape/mailman/message/35828296/) Could I > be looking at the wrong documents? Besides different chapters, I'm > seeing vastly different content between the French and the translated > English. It's not just translated, it appears to be entirely rewritten, > and also using completely different images! > > I might think I was mistakenly looking at the original Inkscape Floss > Manual, except both of the ones I'm looking are on the fr subdomain. > Let's get this straightened out, so I'm working on the right documents. > So using "L'outil Sélecteur", which is Selection Tool, right? To me, > this page: > > https://fr.flossmanuals.net/start-with-inkscape/select-tool/ > > is not just a translation of > > https://fr.flossmanuals.net/inkscape/selector-tool-a/ > > I certainly don't mind editing the pages that are already translated, to > put the same images from the French manual, but I'd have to make major > text edits too. (Or we, or whomever.) > > Surely one of the 2 I'm looking at is the wrong one? > > > Re: "silly idea" Some comments. > > -- Not so silly. > -- Since we already do have the technical style of manual, outdated > though it may be, I would suggest getting the new one finished and > published first. > -- Perhaps Tav would consider releasing the content of his current > manual, to be used as a starting point for the technical one? > -- Likely certain people would be better suited for writing this more > technical one. I know for myself, I couldn't write it, no matter h
Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] License for the new manual
Hi Brynn, not yet. I've spent the night getting things ready for all of us (and I bet I'll regret that later today...), but there's still a bit left that I need Mick's help for, before it can go public (e.g. the website only offers CC-By-SA licence for choice...) and I need someone to explain / research how to add admins and editors, and how to use the group feature. Also need to add some notes about editing. Thank you for your patience ;-) Maren Am 12.05.2017 um 06:23 schrieb brynn: > Thanks Maren. Sorry for replying twice. After I sent the first, I > realized it needed to be copied to Docs list. > > Can you give link to the new English one? > > Thanks, > brynn > > -Original Message- From: Maren Hachmann > Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 6:40 PM > To: inkscape-de...@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] [Inkscape-docs] License for the new manual > > I've just played around at flossmanuals.net a bit, and was surprised how > easy and quick it is to import the book there from the French site. > > (I intended to just give it a try, but it worked so well, that I got > carried away starting to edit it...) > > Elisa, can you give Mick the heads up that we've managed to do the > import ourselves already? > > I'm working on importing the chapters from the French book, so we have > the files and the original texts readily available. > When that's done, I'll send a message to the list to invite editors. > > Kind Regards, > Maren > > Am 11.05.2017 um 22:58 schrieb Maren Hachmann: >> Great :) >> >> So let's keep our fingers crossed that it'll be possible to have an >> English interface for working on the book - and then we can call out for >> people to open up accounts. >> >> Kind Regards, >> Maren >> >> Am 11.05.2017 um 21:05 schrieb C R: >>> Thanks for clarifying, Martin! >>> -C >>> >>> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 5:54 PM, Martin Owens >>> wrote: Hi Maren, Victor, CR, Yes, let's settle this. CC-BY 4.0 https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ Shall be used for the inkscape manual. I believe there's a weighty enough consensus not to beat around the bush any more. Best Regards, Martin Owens On Thu, 2017-05-11 at 01:18 +0200, Maren Hachmann wrote: > Sorry, I think I need to explain and ask one last question: > > I asked for CC-By, because that allows the licence to be changed when > you make derivatives, and because it wasn't clear yet which licence > we > might want to use in the end, and because this wasn't my decision to > make. > > Martin, you took it on you to count the votes. I think CC0 is out of > the > question by now. What is the current status? > > (Mc asked about CC-By, I think. I bet CR would prefer CC-By to CC-By- > SA, > from what I read.) > > Do people now just want to go with CC-By, either because they like it > most, or to just 'be done' with it and start working? (I'd like to > have > some kind of final decision). -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Inkscape-devel mailing list inkscape-de...@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >> ___ >> Inkscape-devel mailing list >> inkscape-de...@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel >> > > > -- > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > ___ > Inkscape-devel mailing list > inkscape-de...@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel > -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] website moderation policy final / teams?
Hi Brynn, Am 12.05.2017 um 12:27 schrieb brynn: > Hi Friends, >Since there have been no further comments regarding website > moderation policy, I've made the changes to the CoC that we discussed. - It's not published yet, was that intentional or were you waiting for some confirmation? >Most of those who commented about being retroactive, thought > since the policy was not existing at the time, we should not delete > images uploaded before this date (or the members who uploaded them). > (So we can vote those old ones that I flagged, back in now.) - Done. There are still a couple of images where Martin voted to remove, but we didn't... those are stuck in the queue. >I started to put out a call for volunteer moderators (on the > To-Do List page, and also posting in forums and mailing lists) except I > wasn't sure about the wording. I was going to say something like > "Volunteers are needed to join the Website Team as Moderators." > >But then I realized there's no such thing as a Website Team, and > actually it's a Website Editors teamwhich I'm not sure if moderators > would be subset of editors... Hhmm, maybe so? - I'd say we can make one. Would you like to provide the icon? >Anyway, I seem to recall there was some mention of possibly > creating a Moderation Team. But before I post something like > "Volunteers are needed to form a/join the Website Moderation Team" maybe > we should decide if Moderators need their own team? > >This might be another subject, but pursuant to all the recent > discussion and movement towards getting the French manual translated, so > we can find update and expand it, I wonder if we need to think about a > Documentation Team? - I think it's not urgent, because communication might happen within the Booktype website (they have groups and chat). Generally, I believe it would be a good idea. >Since Martin is the website guru, he probably has an idea what > would be best here. Personally, I can't think of a reason for a formal > moderation team. But there may be one (or more), that make sense, that I > just never realized. - Permissions ;-) Maren >Thoughts, comments? > > All best, > brynn > > > -Original Message- From: brynn > Sent: Friday, May 05, 2017 10:04 AM > To: Inkscape-Devel ; Inkscape-Docs ; C R ; Maren Hachmann ; Martin Owens > ; Sylvain Chiron ; Eduard Braun > Subject: [Inkscape-docs] website moderation policy final > > Hi Friends, >It seems like this last message about moderation policy got > buried in > all the recent important chatter. So I'm re-sending the most vital > parts of it, > so we can finish this up. For convenience, > https://inkscape.org/community/coc/ > And here's the suggested change: > > In the Guidelines for User-Submitted Content section, replace > > "Art and other content submitted to the Inkscape website should adhere > to the > following rules:" > > with > > "Content uploaded to the gallery should be related to Inkscape (e.g. > created > with Inkscape, created for use with Inkscape, showing how to work with > Inkscape, > etc.). We reserve the right to remove any content that does not seem > appropriate > or does not adhere to the following obligatory rules:" > > C R said >> Little thing, but "created for use with Inkscape" could cover things > like just regular images... in fact it could cover just about > anything, even things made with Adobe Illustrator. I'd simply cut that > bit out. > > Hhmm.yes, I see what you mean. My interpretation of that, is for > things > like extensions or filters. But maybe there's a better way to say it? > > What about "created to be installed in Inkscape"? Or maybe just "to be > installed in Inkscape"? That would eliminate any kind of image. Any other > suggestions out there? Eduard? > > I wonder about adding "Inkscape Project"? Such as: > "Content uploaded to the gallery should be related to Inkscape or the > Inkscape > Project (e.g. created" > That would cover things like a website graphics or page mockup, board > meeting > transcript, etc. > > C R said >> If there's a significant amount of undesirable content currently, it's > probably best to make it retroactive. If it's just a few things, then > we should approach the owners about it. Not to be pushy, but to inform > them of the new policy. > > To me, it's a significant amount. By my estimate, probably 1 or 2 > thumbnails > per page of the gallery are random photos! So that's way too many to > consider > trying to contact them. > > Personally, I would love to delete them without notice. But since the > policy > was not available at the time they uploaded, technically I think it's > not fair > to delete them. But they'll soon be shuffled further and further back, > as the > gallery grows. I'm happy just to get the policy settled and put it into > effect. > > Thanks everyone for taking the time, and helping to finalize this > issu
Re: [Inkscape-docs] website moderation policy final / teams?
Hi Friends, Since there have been no further comments regarding website moderation policy, I've made the changes to the CoC that we discussed. Most of those who commented about being retroactive, thought since the policy was not existing at the time, we should not delete images uploaded before this date (or the members who uploaded them). (So we can vote those old ones that I flagged, back in now.) I started to put out a call for volunteer moderators (on the To-Do List page, and also posting in forums and mailing lists) except I wasn't sure about the wording. I was going to say something like "Volunteers are needed to join the Website Team as Moderators." But then I realized there's no such thing as a Website Team, and actually it's a Website Editors teamwhich I'm not sure if moderators would be subset of editors... Hhmm, maybe so? Anyway, I seem to recall there was some mention of possibly creating a Moderation Team. But before I post something like "Volunteers are needed to form a/join the Website Moderation Team" maybe we should decide if Moderators need their own team? This might be another subject, but pursuant to all the recent discussion and movement towards getting the French manual translated, so we can find update and expand it, I wonder if we need to think about a Documentation Team? Since Martin is the website guru, he probably has an idea what would be best here. Personally, I can't think of a reason for a formal moderation team. But there may be one (or more), that make sense, that I just never realized. Thoughts, comments? All best, brynn -Original Message- From: brynn Sent: Friday, May 05, 2017 10:04 AM To: Inkscape-Devel ; Inkscape-Docs ; C R ; Maren Hachmann ; Martin Owens ; Sylvain Chiron ; Eduard Braun Subject: [Inkscape-docs] website moderation policy final Hi Friends, It seems like this last message about moderation policy got buried in all the recent important chatter. So I'm re-sending the most vital parts of it, so we can finish this up. For convenience, https://inkscape.org/community/coc/ And here's the suggested change: In the Guidelines for User-Submitted Content section, replace "Art and other content submitted to the Inkscape website should adhere to the following rules:" with "Content uploaded to the gallery should be related to Inkscape (e.g. created with Inkscape, created for use with Inkscape, showing how to work with Inkscape, etc.). We reserve the right to remove any content that does not seem appropriate or does not adhere to the following obligatory rules:" C R said > Little thing, but "created for use with Inkscape" could cover things like just regular images... in fact it could cover just about anything, even things made with Adobe Illustrator. I'd simply cut that bit out. Hhmm.yes, I see what you mean. My interpretation of that, is for things like extensions or filters. But maybe there's a better way to say it? What about "created to be installed in Inkscape"? Or maybe just "to be installed in Inkscape"? That would eliminate any kind of image. Any other suggestions out there? Eduard? I wonder about adding "Inkscape Project"? Such as: "Content uploaded to the gallery should be related to Inkscape or the Inkscape Project (e.g. created" That would cover things like a website graphics or page mockup, board meeting transcript, etc. C R said > If there's a significant amount of undesirable content currently, it's probably best to make it retroactive. If it's just a few things, then we should approach the owners about it. Not to be pushy, but to inform them of the new policy. To me, it's a significant amount. By my estimate, probably 1 or 2 thumbnails per page of the gallery are random photos! So that's way too many to consider trying to contact them. Personally, I would love to delete them without notice. But since the policy was not available at the time they uploaded, technically I think it's not fair to delete them. But they'll soon be shuffled further and further back, as the gallery grows. I'm happy just to get the policy settled and put it into effect. Thanks everyone for taking the time, and helping to finalize this issue. As far as I know, this will be the last step before we can start recruiting moderators, and using the system officially. All best, brynn -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://
