[Interest] PySide2 installer for windows?

2019-05-16 Thread Frank Rueter | OHUfx 

Hi all,

we are trying to install PySide2 on Windows 10.
We tried installers from here
http://download.qt.io/snapshots/ci/pyside/5.9/latest/pyside2/
and here
http://download.qt.io/snapshots/ci/pyside/5.12/latest/pyside2/

But neither seem to work.
I remember just running a pip install last December:
pip install -v 
--index-url=http://download.qt.io/snapshots/ci/pyside/5.9/latest/ 
pyside2 --trusted-host download.qt.io


But that does not find any installer anymore either.
So I tried this:
pip install -v 
--index-url=http://download.qt.io/snapshots/ci/pyside/5.12/latest/ 
pyside2 --trusted-host download.qt.io


and just got an error:

ERROR: Could not find a version that satisfies the requirement pyside2 
(from versions: none)

Cleaning up...
Removed build tracker 
'c:\\users\\render\\appdata\\local\\temp\\pip-req-tracker-mjz7ju'

ERROR: No matching distribution found for pyside2


What am I missing?

Cheers,
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Re: [Interest] PySide2 installer for windows?

2019-05-17 Thread Bob Hood 
They have (prematurely, imo) abandoned the combination of Windows + Python 
v2.7.  You will only be able to install PySide2 under Windows with Python v3.x 
now.


Found that out recently when I too went looking for installers.


On 5/16/2019 5:57 PM, Frank Rueter | OHUfx wrote:

Hi all,

we are trying to install PySide2 on Windows 10.
We tried installers from here
http://download.qt.io/snapshots/ci/pyside/5.9/latest/pyside2/
and here
http://download.qt.io/snapshots/ci/pyside/5.12/latest/pyside2/

But neither seem to work.
I remember just running a pip install last December:
pip install -v 
--index-url=http://download.qt.io/snapshots/ci/pyside/5.9/latest/ pyside2 
--trusted-host download.qt.io


But that does not find any installer anymore either.
So I tried this:
pip install -v 
--index-url=http://download.qt.io/snapshots/ci/pyside/5.12/latest/ pyside2 
--trusted-host download.qt.io


and just got an error:

ERROR: Could not find a version that satisfies the requirement pyside2 (from 
versions: none)

Cleaning up...
Removed build tracker 
'c:\\users\\render\\appdata\\local\\temp\\pip-req-tracker-mjz7ju'

ERROR: No matching distribution found for pyside2


What am I missing?

Cheers,
frank

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Re: [Interest] PySide2 installer for windows?

2019-05-17 Thread Thiago Macieira 
On Friday, 17 May 2019 10:16:04 PDT Bob Hood wrote:
> They have (prematurely, imo) abandoned the combination of Windows + Python
> v2.7.  You will only be able to install PySide2 under Windows with Python
> v3.x now.

Less than 7 and a half months of support for Python 2 left, until it EOLs, 
after a 5 year extension. Everyone has migrated their business critical 
applications to Python 3 by now, right?

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Re: [Interest] PySide2 installer for windows?

2019-05-17 Thread Bob Hood 

On 5/17/2019 2:58 PM, Thiago Macieira wrote:

On Friday, 17 May 2019 10:16:04 PDT Bob Hood wrote:

They have (prematurely, imo) abandoned the combination of Windows + Python
v2.7.  You will only be able to install PySide2 under Windows with Python
v3.x now.

Less than 7 and a half months of support for Python 2 left, until it EOLs,
after a 5 year extension. Everyone has migrated their business critical
applications to Python 3 by now, right?




Well, to me "7 and a half months...left" is not EOL, and I don't know 
precisely when Python v2/Windows support was jettisoned, but you can add that 
difference to the duration as well.That's how I personally define "prematurely."


But the decision is made; I'm not instigating a brush war over it.  I'm not 
invested in PySide2, and neither are my customers. It was just going to be a 
convenience for them as long as we continued to support Python v2.  Now it won't.


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Re: [Interest] PySide2 installer for windows?

2019-05-18 Thread Thiago Macieira 
On Friday, 17 May 2019 18:26:11 PDT Bob Hood wrote:
> On 5/17/2019 2:58 PM, Thiago Macieira wrote:
> > On Friday, 17 May 2019 10:16:04 PDT Bob Hood wrote:
> >> They have (prematurely, imo) abandoned the combination of Windows +
> >> Python
> >> v2.7.  You will only be able to install PySide2 under Windows with Python
> >> v3.x now.
> > 
> > Less than 7 and a half months of support for Python 2 left, until it EOLs,
> > after a 5 year extension. Everyone has migrated their business critical
> > applications to Python 3 by now, right?
> 
> Well, to me "7 and a half months...left" is not EOL, and I don't know
> precisely when Python v2/Windows support was jettisoned, but you can add
> that difference to the duration as well.That's how I personally define
> "prematurely."

Python2 support was deprecated by the Python community and the Python Software 
Foundation many years ago. Its EOL was pushed from Jan 1, 2015 to Jan 1, 2020.

The point is not about Pyside, it's about *Python*. People have had over 10 
years to switch from 2.x to 3. With less than 7½ months left, I'm sure 
everyone with critical applications have already switch, right?

https://pythonclock.org/

> But the decision is made; I'm not instigating a brush war over it.  I'm not
> invested in PySide2, and neither are my customers. It was just going to be a
> convenience for them as long as we continued to support Python v2.  Now it
> won't.

I think the point is that it's not worth the resources required to build and 
test the Python2 bulld when so few are (supposed to be) still using it.

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Re: [Interest] PySide2 installer for windows?

2019-05-18 Thread Croitor Alexandru 
Hi,

Point 1: At the official first release of Qt For Python / PySide2 which was
bundled with Qt 5.11, we never provided py27 windows packages. So
officially, we haven't dropped any packages, because they weren't there in
the first place.

Point 2: Packages for py2.7 for PySide2 do not exist not because of py2
EoL, but rather because the official py27 interpreter is built with MSVC
2008, whereas Qt is built with MSVC2015, and we deemed that with the
current PySide2 codebase, it is not safe to mix MSVC runtimes.

This was communicated multiple times, and is mentioned on the wiki as well.
Yet people still insist on bringing it up, disregarding that such packages
are not safe to use.

People are free to try and build Py2.7 + Qt + PySide2 with the same MSVC
version, and use that.

On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 7:03 PM Thiago Macieira 
wrote:

> On Friday, 17 May 2019 18:26:11 PDT Bob Hood wrote:
> > On 5/17/2019 2:58 PM, Thiago Macieira wrote:
> > > On Friday, 17 May 2019 10:16:04 PDT Bob Hood wrote:
> > >> They have (prematurely, imo) abandoned the combination of Windows +
> > >> Python
> > >> v2.7.  You will only be able to install PySide2 under Windows with
> Python
> > >> v3.x now.
> > >
> > > Less than 7 and a half months of support for Python 2 left, until it
> EOLs,
> > > after a 5 year extension. Everyone has migrated their business critical
> > > applications to Python 3 by now, right?
> >
> > Well, to me "7 and a half months...left" is not EOL, and I don't know
> > precisely when Python v2/Windows support was jettisoned, but you can add
> > that difference to the duration as well.That's how I personally define
> > "prematurely."
>
> Python2 support was deprecated by the Python community and the Python
> Software
> Foundation many years ago. Its EOL was pushed from Jan 1, 2015 to Jan 1,
> 2020.
>
> The point is not about Pyside, it's about *Python*. People have had over
> 10
> years to switch from 2.x to 3. With less than 7½ months left, I'm sure
> everyone with critical applications have already switch, right?
>
> https://pythonclock.org/
>
> > But the decision is made; I'm not instigating a brush war over it.  I'm
> not
> > invested in PySide2, and neither are my customers. It was just going to
> be a
> > convenience for them as long as we continued to support Python v2.  Now
> it
> > won't.
>
> I think the point is that it's not worth the resources required to build
> and
> test the Python2 bulld when so few are (supposed to be) still using it.
>
> --
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Re: [Interest] PySide2 installer for windows?

2019-05-21 Thread Cristián Maureira-Fredes 
Hello,

Just wanted to point out that when you go to:

https://pyside.org

you see a colorful table with the
compatibility on the different platform and the reason
behind them being not supported.

I was under the impression that it was the best
way possible to communicate these release of the
details, but I think I was mistaken.

Since I don't want this to be a RTFM email,
I'm honestly asking:

Does anyone has any other more direct way to communicate this?

Maybe people were confused while visiting:

https://www.qt.io/qt-for-python

Should we mention the support there too?

I really would like to know how to communicate this,
since it's possible that in an unknown period of time
we will drop support for Python2 (months? years?)
and then we will need to communicate that with the whole
community.

Cheers


On 5/18/19 8:06 PM, Croitor Alexandru wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Point 1: At the official first release of Qt For Python / PySide2 which 
> was bundled with Qt 5.11, we never provided py27 windows packages. So 
> officially, we haven't dropped any packages, because they weren't there 
> in the first place.
> 
> Point 2: Packages for py2.7 for PySide2 do not exist not because of py2 
> EoL, but rather because the official py27 interpreter is built with MSVC 
> 2008, whereas Qt is built with MSVC2015, and we deemed that with the 
> current PySide2 codebase, it is not safe to mix MSVC runtimes.
> 
> This was communicated multiple times, and is mentioned on the wiki as 
> well. Yet people still insist on bringing it up, disregarding that such 
> packages are not safe to use.
> 
> People are free to try and build Py2.7 + Qt + PySide2 with the same MSVC 
> version, and use that.
> 
> On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 7:03 PM Thiago Macieira 
> mailto:thiago.macie...@intel.com>> wrote:
> 
> On Friday, 17 May 2019 18:26:11 PDT Bob Hood wrote:
>  > On 5/17/2019 2:58 PM, Thiago Macieira wrote:
>  > > On Friday, 17 May 2019 10:16:04 PDT Bob Hood wrote:
>  > >> They have (prematurely, imo) abandoned the combination of
> Windows +
>  > >> Python
>  > >> v2.7.  You will only be able to install PySide2 under Windows
> with Python
>  > >> v3.x now.
>  > >
>  > > Less than 7 and a half months of support for Python 2 left,
> until it EOLs,
>  > > after a 5 year extension. Everyone has migrated their business
> critical
>  > > applications to Python 3 by now, right?
>  >
>  > Well, to me "7 and a half months...left" is not EOL, and I don't know
>  > precisely when Python v2/Windows support was jettisoned, but you
> can add
>  > that difference to the duration as well.That's how I personally
> define
>  > "prematurely."
> 
> Python2 support was deprecated by the Python community and the
> Python Software
> Foundation many years ago. Its EOL was pushed from Jan 1, 2015 to
> Jan 1, 2020.
> 
> The point is not about Pyside, it's about *Python*. People have had
> over 10
> years to switch from 2.x to 3. With less than 7½ months left, I'm sure
> everyone with critical applications have already switch, right?
> 
> https://pythonclock.org/
> 
>  > But the decision is made; I'm not instigating a brush war over
> it.  I'm not
>  > invested in PySide2, and neither are my customers. It was just
> going to be a
>  > convenience for them as long as we continued to support Python
> v2.  Now it
>  > won't.
> 
> I think the point is that it's not worth the resources required to
> build and
> test the Python2 bulld when so few are (supposed to be) still using it.
> 
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>    Software Architect - Intel System Software Products
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Re: [Interest] PySide2 installer for windows?

2019-05-22 Thread Frank Rueter | OHUfx 
I do understand, but a few months ago we were able to run this to 
install a PySide2 version that works just fine:


pip install --index-url=http://download.qt.io/snapshots/ci/pyside/5.6/latest/  
pyside2 --trusted-host download.qt.io

We only need this for a single inhouse app we use every day and it has 
worked perfectly on the three machines it was installed on.


Now we need it on more machines and the above no longer works.
I didn't want to get into any more complicated issues.

I understand for serious development this is very important, but for us 
it's a single, simple but important tool we can't use easily (except on 
three machines) and I would love to rectify this until I get time to 
adapt the code for python3.


So if anybody has an idea where to find the installer that would have 
been pulled via the above earlier this year I would very much appreciate it.


Cheers,
frank


On 22/05/19 2:53 AM, Cristián Maureira-Fredes wrote:

Hello,

Just wanted to point out that when you go to:

https://pyside.org

you see a colorful table with the
compatibility on the different platform and the reason
behind them being not supported.

I was under the impression that it was the best
way possible to communicate these release of the
details, but I think I was mistaken.

Since I don't want this to be a RTFM email,
I'm honestly asking:

Does anyone has any other more direct way to communicate this?

Maybe people were confused while visiting:

https://www.qt.io/qt-for-python

Should we mention the support there too?

I really would like to know how to communicate this,
since it's possible that in an unknown period of time
we will drop support for Python2 (months? years?)
and then we will need to communicate that with the whole
community.

Cheers


On 5/18/19 8:06 PM, Croitor Alexandru wrote:

Hi,

Point 1: At the official first release of Qt For Python / PySide2 which
was bundled with Qt 5.11, we never provided py27 windows packages. So
officially, we haven't dropped any packages, because they weren't there
in the first place.

Point 2: Packages for py2.7 for PySide2 do not exist not because of py2
EoL, but rather because the official py27 interpreter is built with MSVC
2008, whereas Qt is built with MSVC2015, and we deemed that with the
current PySide2 codebase, it is not safe to mix MSVC runtimes.

This was communicated multiple times, and is mentioned on the wiki as
well. Yet people still insist on bringing it up, disregarding that such
packages are not safe to use.

People are free to try and build Py2.7 + Qt + PySide2 with the same MSVC
version, and use that.

On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 7:03 PM Thiago Macieira
mailto:thiago.macie...@intel.com>> wrote:

 On Friday, 17 May 2019 18:26:11 PDT Bob Hood wrote:
  > On 5/17/2019 2:58 PM, Thiago Macieira wrote:
  > > On Friday, 17 May 2019 10:16:04 PDT Bob Hood wrote:
  > >> They have (prematurely, imo) abandoned the combination of
 Windows +
  > >> Python
  > >> v2.7.  You will only be able to install PySide2 under Windows
 with Python
  > >> v3.x now.
  > >
  > > Less than 7 and a half months of support for Python 2 left,
 until it EOLs,
  > > after a 5 year extension. Everyone has migrated their business
 critical
  > > applications to Python 3 by now, right?
  >
  > Well, to me "7 and a half months...left" is not EOL, and I don't know
  > precisely when Python v2/Windows support was jettisoned, but you
 can add
  > that difference to the duration as well.That's how I personally
 define
  > "prematurely."

 Python2 support was deprecated by the Python community and the
 Python Software
 Foundation many years ago. Its EOL was pushed from Jan 1, 2015 to
 Jan 1, 2020.

 The point is not about Pyside, it's about *Python*. People have had
 over 10
 years to switch from 2.x to 3. With less than 7½ months left, I'm sure
 everyone with critical applications have already switch, right?

 https://pythonclock.org/

  > But the decision is made; I'm not instigating a brush war over
 it.  I'm not
  > invested in PySide2, and neither are my customers. It was just
 going to be a
  > convenience for them as long as we continued to support Python
 v2.  Now it
  > won't.

 I think the point is that it's not worth the resources required to
 build and
 test the Python2 bulld when so few are (supposed to be) still using it.

 --
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    Software Architect - Intel System Software Products



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