Re: [Interest] Tricky to download Qt online installer for 64-bit Linux

[Tero Kojo]

> -Original Message-
> From: Interest [mailto:interest-bounces+tero.kojo=qt...@qt-project.org] On
> Behalf Of Sze Howe Koh
> Sent: 07 January 2018 08:27
> To: interest@qt-project.org
> Subject: Re: [Interest] Tricky to download Qt online installer for 64-bit 
> Linux
> 
> On 7 January 2018 at 06:02, Christian Gagneraud <chg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 7 January 2018 at 10:18, René J. V.  Bertin <rjvber...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Christian Gagneraud wrote:
> >>
> >>>> Uh... why do we provide a 32-bit installer in the first place, if
> >>>> we don't provide a 32-bit build of Qt?
> >>>
> >>> This one allows to install Qt/32bits on a 32bits PC, up to Qt-5.5.
> >>
> >> Lucky raskals, we on Mac get a "Maintenance Tool" for about all Qt5
> >> versions but that runs only on recent OS versions... and that will
> >> insist on updating itself to a version that maybe won't run on the current
> host.
> >
> > We (Linux users) are not as lucky as you think, the two installers
> > come with maintenance tools as well, but don't play together, you
> > would have to install them side by side (not tested). One allows you
> > to develop with Qt/32bits <= 5.5, while the other Qt/64bits >= 5.0 The
> > 32 bits comes with an old version of QtCreator, basically it's just a
> > frozen version of the last official Linux-32 binaries.
> > It might be useful for some thought.
> >
> > Anyway, there's definitely a bug on qt.io. Is anyone from the Qt
> > Company aware of this?
> >
> >
> > Chris
> 
> Another issue is that adblockers cause the download buttons to
> disappear: https://forum.qt.io/topic/86525/cannot-find-the-download-link
> 
> I've pinged our Community Manager about the website issues (which can also
> be reported at https://bugreports.qt.io/ under "Qt Project
> Website")
> 
> As for the issues related to the design of the Online Installer for Linux and
> macOS, I suggest creating reports under "Qt Installer Framework"
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Sze-Howe

Hi,

Yes, looks like the download page update got the wrong link.
Both the link and the adblock issue have been marked as critical and 
communicated to the web team.
They are working on both.

Best,
Tero
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Re: [Interest] Tricky to download Qt online installer for 64-bit Linux

[Sze Howe Koh]

On 7 January 2018 at 06:02, Christian Gagneraud  wrote:
> On 7 January 2018 at 10:18, René J. V.  Bertin  wrote:
>> Christian Gagneraud wrote:
>>
 Uh... why do we provide a 32-bit installer in the first place, if we don't
 provide a 32-bit build of Qt?
>>>
>>> This one allows to install Qt/32bits on a 32bits PC, up to Qt-5.5.
>>
>> Lucky raskals, we on Mac get a "Maintenance Tool" for about all Qt5 versions 
>> but
>> that runs only on recent OS versions... and that will insist on updating 
>> itself
>> to a version that maybe won't run on the current host.
>
> We (Linux users) are not as lucky as you think, the two installers
> come with maintenance tools as well, but don't play together, you
> would have to install them side by side (not tested). One allows you
> to develop with Qt/32bits <= 5.5, while the other Qt/64bits >= 5.0
> The 32 bits comes with an old version of QtCreator, basically it's
> just a frozen version of the last official Linux-32 binaries.
> It might be useful for some thought.
>
> Anyway, there's definitely a bug on qt.io. Is anyone from the Qt
> Company aware of this?
>
>
> Chris

Another issue is that adblockers cause the download buttons to
disappear: https://forum.qt.io/topic/86525/cannot-find-the-download-link

I've pinged our Community Manager about the website issues (which can
also be reported at https://bugreports.qt.io/ under "Qt Project
Website")

As for the issues related to the design of the Online Installer for
Linux and macOS, I suggest creating reports under "Qt Installer
Framework"


Regards,
Sze-Howe
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Re: [Interest] Tricky to download Qt online installer for 64-bit Linux

[Christian Gagneraud]

On 7 January 2018 at 10:18, René J. V.  Bertin  wrote:
> Christian Gagneraud wrote:
>
>>> Uh... why do we provide a 32-bit installer in the first place, if we don't
>>> provide a 32-bit build of Qt?
>>
>> This one allows to install Qt/32bits on a 32bits PC, up to Qt-5.5.
>
> Lucky raskals, we on Mac get a "Maintenance Tool" for about all Qt5 versions 
> but
> that runs only on recent OS versions... and that will insist on updating 
> itself
> to a version that maybe won't run on the current host.

We (Linux users) are not as lucky as you think, the two installers
come with maintenance tools as well, but don't play together, you
would have to install them side by side (not tested). One allows you
to develop with Qt/32bits <= 5.5, while the other Qt/64bits >= 5.0
The 32 bits comes with an old version of QtCreator, basically it's
just a frozen version of the last official Linux-32 binaries.
It might be useful for some thought.

Anyway, there's definitely a bug on qt.io. Is anyone from the Qt
Company aware of this?


Chris
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Re: [Interest] Tricky to download Qt online installer for 64-bit Linux

[René J . V . Bertin]

Christian Gagneraud wrote:

>> Uh... why do we provide a 32-bit installer in the first place, if we don't
>> provide a 32-bit build of Qt?
> 
> This one allows to install Qt/32bits on a 32bits PC, up to Qt-5.5.

Lucky raskals, we on Mac get a "Maintenance Tool" for about all Qt5 versions 
but 
that runs only on recent OS versions... and that will insist on updating itself 
to a version that maybe won't run on the current host.

R.



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Re: [Interest] Tricky to download Qt online installer for 64-bit Linux

[Henry Skoglund]

On 2018-01-06 04:36, Christian Gagneraud wrote:

On 6 January 2018 at 13:25, Thiago Macieira  wrote:

On Friday, 5 January 2018 19:27:40 -02 Henry Skoglund wrote:

However, while on
Windows and MacOs you only get one Download button, on Linux you'll get
two, one for 64-bit and one for 32-bit.

2 buttons are fine, the problem is that whichever button I click on, I
always get qt-unified-linux-x86-2.0.5-2-online.run downloaded, not the
qt-unified-linux-x64-3.0.2-online.run


Uh... why do we provide a 32-bit installer in the first place, if we don't
provide a 32-bit build of Qt?


This one allows to install Qt/32bits on a 32bits PC, up to Qt-5.5.



Problem is that the 32-bit installer is no good for someone on a 64-bit 
Linux (= most people nowadays), i.e. a newcomer to Qt will click on the 
Download button for 64-bit, chmod +x the installer and then double-click 
on it. And nothing will happen, no error dialog box or warnings.


Perhaps he will visit the Qt forums, where someone will advise him to 
launch the installer from a Terminal window to see the actual error 
message. And the message will most likely be "*not an executable file*" 
since the i386 architecture usually isn't installed.


Hopefully he will spot the fine print on the bottom of
https://www.qt.io/download-qt-installer for the link to the offline 
packages, where there's no 32-bit Linux installer, only 64-bit flavored. 
And that file works.


But this road to getting Qt installed could be simpler, I think it's a 
bug in the javascript.


Rgrds Henry

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Re: [Interest] Tricky to download Qt online installer for 64-bit Linux

[Christian Gagneraud]

On 6 January 2018 at 13:25, Thiago Macieira  wrote:
> On Friday, 5 January 2018 19:27:40 -02 Henry Skoglund wrote:
>> However, while on
>> Windows and MacOs you only get one Download button, on Linux you'll get
>> two, one for 64-bit and one for 32-bit.
>>
>> 2 buttons are fine, the problem is that whichever button I click on, I
>> always get qt-unified-linux-x86-2.0.5-2-online.run downloaded, not the
>> qt-unified-linux-x64-3.0.2-online.run
>
> Uh... why do we provide a 32-bit installer in the first place, if we don't
> provide a 32-bit build of Qt?

This one allows to install Qt/32bits on a 32bits PC, up to Qt-5.5.

Chris
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Re: [Interest] Tricky to download Qt online installer for 64-bit Linux

[Thiago Macieira]

On Friday, 5 January 2018 19:27:40 -02 Henry Skoglund wrote:
> However, while on
> Windows and MacOs you only get one Download button, on Linux you'll get
> two, one for 64-bit and one for 32-bit.
> 
> 2 buttons are fine, the problem is that whichever button I click on, I
> always get qt-unified-linux-x86-2.0.5-2-online.run downloaded, not the
> qt-unified-linux-x64-3.0.2-online.run 

Uh... why do we provide a 32-bit installer in the first place, if we don't 
provide a 32-bit build of Qt?

-- 
Thiago Macieira - thiago.macieira (AT) intel.com
  Software Architect - Intel Open Source Technology Center

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Re: [Interest] Tricky to download Qt online installer for 64-bit Linux

[Christian Gagneraud]

On 6 January 2018 at 11:00, Christian Gagneraud  wrote:
> On 6 January 2018 at 10:27, Henry Skoglund  wrote:
>> 2 buttons are fine, the problem is that whichever button I click on, I
>> always get qt-unified-linux-x86-2.0.5-2-online.run downloaded, not the
>> qt-unified-linux-x64-3.0.2-online.run :-(
>
> Same problem here, Firefox 52.5 64 bits.

Might be worth adding that the link points to
/archive/online_installers/2.0 (instead of
/official_releases/online_installers/ ?)

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Re: [Interest] Tricky to download Qt online installer for 64-bit Linux

[Christian Gagneraud]

On 6 January 2018 at 10:27, Henry Skoglund  wrote:
> 2 buttons are fine, the problem is that whichever button I click on, I
> always get qt-unified-linux-x86-2.0.5-2-online.run downloaded, not the
> qt-unified-linux-x64-3.0.2-online.run :-(

Same problem here, Firefox 52.5 64 bits.
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[Interest] Tricky to download Qt online installer for 64-bit Linux

[Henry Skoglund]

Hi, today I installed Ubuntu 17.10 and it really looks nice, can't wait 
to deploy the more "serious", I mean LTS, 18.04 release.


Of course I want Qt to go with that so I went to qt.io and landed on 
https://www.qt.io/download-qt-installer. Looks nice and new, the 
download buttons animate when you hover on them. However, while on 
Windows and MacOs you only get one Download button, on Linux you'll get 
two, one for 64-bit and one for 32-bit.


2 buttons are fine, the problem is that whichever button I click on, I 
always get qt-unified-linux-x86-2.0.5-2-online.run downloaded, not the 
qt-unified-linux-x64-3.0.2-online.run :-(


Using the classic trick of disabling javascript to speed up the loading 
of the pages of qt.io works also here, if you reload 
https://www.qt.io/download-qt-installer without javascript then you'll 
get to choose yourself which of the 4 online installers you want to 
download (just like last year).


I think this is javascript bug on qt.io which does not benefit new users 
trying to download Qt on Linux. Is there somewhere to send a bug report?


Rgrds Henry

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