Re: [Interest] my comparison with company reports

2012-04-12 Thread André Somers
Op 12-4-2012 15:00, R. Reucher schreef:
>
> On Thursday 12 April 2012 14:45:18 Mark Griffith wrote:
>
> > Dear R. Reucher,
>
> Huh? I guess you're addressing the wrong person here... I didn't say 
> anything about "company reports".
>
>
I did. I guess he meant me?

@Mark: it would be easier to follow the conversation if you use the 
reply button instead of starting a new message if you reply to somebody. 
So far, you have started three threads on the same topic. That hinders 
users of mailinglists to use there mail software to keep an overview of 
the structure of the discussion.

André

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Re: [Interest] my comparison with company reports

2012-04-12 Thread R. Reucher
On Thursday 12 April 2012 14:45:18 Mark Griffith wrote:
> Dear R. Reucher,
Huh? I guess you're addressing the wrong person here... I didn't say anything 
about "company reports".

Cheers, René
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Re: [Interest] my comparison with company reports

2012-04-12 Thread Jason H
Mark, I know you mean well, but Qt has the best documentation in the industry.
I think your complaints come from your own short comings as a developer, as Qt 
docs are written with developers for developers. So the question is audience. I 
think it's good that you're versatile, but you're clearly not yet in the 
audience for which the documentation is intended. What you propose is actually 
impossible, because the intersection of all possible audiences is too large. 
The resulting documentation for n00bs would be too verbose for actual 
developers.

So from a company report perspective, how about you write a resort on how the 
documentation must be changed to conform to your standards, including labor and 
cost estimates, then compare it to the labor and cost involved to align you to 
the documentation's audience. I think I know how that evaluation will turn out.

I hope that helps put things in perspective. 


But if you have specific criticisms or ideas on how to improve it, we would 
hear them.






 From: Mark Griffith 
To: interest@qt-project.org 
Cc: Mark Griffith  
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 8:45 AM
Subject: [Interest] my comparison with company reports
 

.

Dear R. Reucher, 

thanks for your response about company reports - actually that's not quite 
true. I'm not an economist telling you they are clear. I'm an economist telling 
you we expect them to be clear, and even though most of them are unclear there 
is general agreement they should and could rise to a higher level of 
comprehensibility. I never said they were clear already. But people are at 
least trying, and not saying they should be for initiates only. 

There are two battles here. (1) Everyone agreeing that clarity for intelligent 
general readers can be achieved and that this is a shared goal, and (2) 
actually achieving this indisputably difficult goal. 

What I should have said - my apologies for being unclear there - is that goal 
(1) has been achieved with company reports by and large. No-one in business (at 
least out loud)
 defends the proposition that company reports should only ever be read by 
people with economics or accountancy training - there is at least lip service 
paid to the idea that small shareholders with no training deserve access to the 
information too. (2) is harder. I have worked on company reports myself but - 
as with my other post about user manuals - never had the editorial freedom to 
make them as clear as they could and should be. 

In contrast, with software documentation goal (1) has not been achieved. You, 
like many others in this field, feel it is a basic mistake to assume software 
documentation can ever be made clear to complete beginners. This is why you 
naturally assumed I was saying company reports were clear, and only saying so 
because I've studied economics. No. I said we all _expect_ company reports to 
be clear (and rightly so). The first battle has been won in terms of 
communicating ideas in economics and finance, and the second battle
 is now in progress. 

Mark G. 

 
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[Interest] my comparison with company reports

2012-04-12 Thread Mark Griffith
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Dear R. Reucher, 

thanks for your response about company reports - actually that's not quite 
true. I'm not an economist telling you they are clear. I'm an economist telling 
you we expect them to be clear, and even though most of them are unclear there 
is general agreement they should and could rise to a higher level of 
comprehensibility. I never said they were clear already. But people are at 
least trying, and not saying they should be for initiates only. 

There are two battles here. (1) Everyone agreeing that clarity for intelligent 
general readers can be achieved and that this is a shared goal, and (2) 
actually achieving this indisputably difficult goal. 

What I should have said - my apologies for being unclear there - is that goal 
(1) has been achieved with company reports by and large. No-one in business (at 
least out loud) defends the proposition that company reports should only ever 
be read by people with economics or accountancy training - there is at least 
lip service paid to the idea that small shareholders with no training deserve 
access to the information too. (2) is harder. I have worked on company reports 
myself but - as with my other post about user manuals - never had the editorial 
freedom to make them as clear as they could and should be. 

In contrast, with software documentation goal (1) has not been achieved. You, 
like many others in this field, feel it is a basic mistake to assume software 
documentation can ever be made clear to complete beginners. This is why you 
naturally assumed I was saying company reports were clear, and only saying so 
because I've studied economics. No. I said we all _expect_ company reports to 
be clear (and rightly so). The first battle has been won in terms of 
communicating ideas in economics and finance, and the second battle is now in 
progress. 

Mark G. 

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